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12:03:16 <kaz> Meeting: WoT IG/WG
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12:05:47 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Ari_Keranen, Daniel_Peintner, Dave_Raggett, Feng_Zhang, Johannes_Hund, Kunihiko_Toumura, Matthias_Kovatsch, Michael_McCool, Niklas_Widell, Takeshi_Yamada, Keiichi_Tokuyama, Uday_Davuluru, Yongzing_Zhang
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12:07:14 <kaz> present+ Yingying_Chen
12:07:27 <McCool> present+ Michael McCool
12:09:15 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:09:15 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Kaz_Ashimura
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12:10:13 <kaz> scribenick: yongjing
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12:10:47 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda
12:11:10 <kaz> mk: Osaka meeting and TF reports
12:11:33 <kaz> present+ Achille_Zappa
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12:11:50 <kaz> az: management interface discussion today?
12:12:03 <kaz> mk: not sure given we don't have Zoltan
12:12:14 <kaz> s/az:/ak:/
12:12:26 <kaz> ak: unfortunately, can't make the Osaka meeting
12:12:38 <kaz> mk: we can continue the discussion on the list
12:12:58 <kaz> topic: Osaka F2F
12:13:06 <kaz> mk: someone from Panasonic?
12:13:06 <yongjing> mk: anyone from Panasonic?
12:13:54 <kaz> present+ Masato_Ohura
12:14:53 <yongjing> deadline for F2F registration? regarding dinner, room
12:15:32 <yongjing> mo: Apr 21st is the deadline
12:15:38 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WoTF2F201705/ registration site
12:16:12 <yongjing> mk: how many people can be invited? what's the room size for the open day?
12:16:19 <yongjing> mo: the capacity is 100 people
12:16:23 <kaz> s/mk: someone from Panasonic?//
12:17:19 <yongjing> mo: dinner shares the same deadline
12:17:47 <yongjing> mk: currently 21 attendees, 2 remote participants
12:19:44 <yongjing> kaz: can accept late registration?
12:19:47 <yongjing> mo: ok
12:20:02 <kaz> s/registration/registration for the meeting/
12:20:10 <yongjing> mm: late registration is not applicable to dinner reservation
12:20:26 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_May_2017,_Osaka,_Japan Osaka f2f wiki
12:20:35 <yongjing> mk: reminder for TF leads: put breakout agenda for F2F
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12:22:17 <yongjing> mk: if multiple slots needed, please reserve multiple bullets
12:24:17 <yongjing> mk: last week of Apr  should freeze the agenda input
12:24:54 <zkis> present+ Zoltan_Kis
12:24:57 <kaz> present+ Katsuyoshi_Naka
12:26:34 <yongjing> mk: binding template heavily rely on liaison. do we have input by Osaka? OCF for instance?
12:26:58 <yongjing> mk: what's the ocf plugfest status?
12:28:28 <yongjing> Koster: it's ongoing. don't exact status now. Would work with Zoltan et al.
12:29:21 <yongjing> Koster: will drive that in the next weeks
12:29:40 <achille_z> present+ Achille_Zappa
12:30:51 <yongjing> mk: we dont have many representitives to report TF status
12:32:05 <kaz> yz: open day and plugfest in parallel?
12:32:19 <kaz> mk: better to concentrate on plugfest on Monday
12:32:31 <kaz> yz: ok
12:32:42 <kaz> ... may bring some information on oneM2M for Open Day
12:33:05 <kaz> mm: can bring some example of OCF devices
12:33:33 <kaz> koster: we can see what we can within a few weeks
12:33:44 <yongjing> mk: ask Zoltan to discuss the management i/f
12:33:44 <kaz> i/open day and/scribenick: kaz/
12:33:55 <kaz> i/ask Zoltan/scribenick: yongjing
12:34:56 <McCool> q+
12:34:56 <yongjing> Zoltan: on Monday scripting call, discussed mgmt i/f
12:35:34 <kaz> q+
12:35:39 <yongjing> Zoltan: reluctant to call it 'mgmt i/f'
12:36:09 <dsr> q+
12:37:09 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/04/10-wot-minutes.html Scripting minutes
12:37:10 <yongjing> would be very useful to discuss based on common use cases..
12:37:24 <kaz> s/would be/Zoltan: would be/
12:38:35 <yongjing> scripting API sit on top of security
12:38:57 <yongjing> mm: API to install the scripts need to be protected.
12:39:09 <yongjing> zoltan: we don't have it anymore
12:39:31 <yongjing> we should revisit some assumptions, in security document
12:40:37 <yongjing> we could discuss security architecture, provisioning ... in F2F or in prior
12:41:07 <jhund> q?
12:41:24 <kaz> ac Mc
12:41:27 <kaz> ack Mc
12:41:32 <kaz> s/ac Mc//
12:41:34 <yongjing> AK: a lot of attraction of LWM2M in addition to OCF/oneM2M
12:41:55 <yongjing> zoltan: we have looked in to LWM2M recently
12:42:11 <jhund> q+
12:42:49 <yongjing> ... security TF will first clarify what are the use cases, actors, ... then think of the underlying platforms
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12:44:51 <mkovatsc> q?
12:45:13 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/04/wot/local-thing+remote-thing.png 2-runtime(servient) example
12:45:25 <yongjing> kaz: synchronization discussion.. it might be useful to think of some models
12:46:47 <jhund> q?
12:46:56 <jhund> ack k
12:46:57 <dsr> some use cases: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-wg/2017Apr/0001.html
12:46:57 <kaz> ... like version management like git
12:47:10 <kaz> ... to manage actual TD properties on servient B
12:47:21 <kaz> ... will respond to the email discussion as well
12:47:26 <yongjing> Dave: emphasize the need of collecting use cases
12:47:29 <jhund> ack dsr
12:47:42 <kaz> q?
12:48:17 <yongjing> jhund: we have collected micro use cases for scripting API
12:48:46 <yongjing> ... question is can we add scripts at run time?
12:48:47 <kaz> s/synchronization discussion/Matthias pointed out this discussion was related to synchronization discussion, and I'd agree to that view/
12:48:58 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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12:49:44 <yongjing> ... this topic may impact plenary
12:49:51 <kaz> present+ Kazuaki_Nimura
12:50:14 <yongjing> ... we should pick up this topic in Osaka
12:50:16 <jhund> ack jhund
12:51:42 <mkovatsc> q+
12:52:11 <yongjing> Zoltan: a script is always a deployment scripts, we don't deploy script anymore (?)
12:53:08 <yongjing> mk: the two things you're mentioning are equivalent
12:53:27 <kaz> i/Osaka meeting and TF/scribenick: kaz/
12:53:48 <dsr> (a thing is often more than just a script)
12:56:03 <yongjing> mk: the original assumption is that scripts is always locally creating things
12:56:32 <dsr> +1 to Matthias on embedding the management interface via a thing
12:57:29 <yongjing> Zoltan: it's misunderstanding of my intention
12:58:08 <yongjing> Zoltan: using existing mechanism avoiding creating additional mgmt API
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13:03:19 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/2017/04/wot/local-thing+remote-thing.png
13:03:19 <yongjing> mk: define the problem clearly first, then discuss in the joint call among different TFs
13:03:54 <yongjing> kaz: we can start with the two run time models proposed by Johannes
13:04:48 <kaz> s/models/model/
13:05:05 <McCool> q+
13:05:28 <yongjing> Dave: we should first have concrete use case as the discussion ground
13:06:32 <yongjing> mm: do we have use case template to follow?
13:08:33 <yongjing> ... create repository in github/wiki
13:08:45 <yongjing> ... suggest to have one session in F2F on use case
13:09:16 <yongjing> mk: concerned putting independent use cases together is meaningless
13:09:16 <kaz> q?
13:09:24 <kaz> ack M
13:09:33 <kaz> q+
13:09:47 <mkovatsc> ack mkovatsc
13:10:53 <kaz> q-
13:11:30 <yongjing> mk: we need more input on the topic we just discussed for the f2f.
13:12:07 <yongjing> mm: scripting api, use case can be two agenda items for next call.
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13:12:56 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
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