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garth: minutes approved!
ric: director of engineering for the Readium
Foundation, previously at Adobe for many years
... got a strong background in authoring as well
garth: Also from MITRE Corporation, Dorian
... and Makoto Murata from Vivliostyle
... and Mateus Teixeira from W.W. Norton
mateurs: I'm an ebook production manager. We
published over a 1000 books a year
... also co-director of Norton Lab, incubating ideas
<garth> Voyager Japan, Inc. has nominated Jun Gamo to Digital Publishing Interest Group
garth: hot off the press, another newcomer:
Jun Gamo
... hopefully you're participation will be short lived, as we expect to
move to a WG soon
ivan: I have sent the charter draft to w3m
for approval
... some issues raised by Ralph, some by Wendy
... the w3m (W3 Management) meetings are on wednesdays
... Wendy willl make it sure it's on their agenda this week, so it
should officially go out to the AC by the end of the week
... (but it's the Easter week-end)
... the AC have 4 weeks to comment on the charter and hopefully approve
it
... in practice, we may expect issues, comments, editorial changes
... hopefully nothing more serious than that
... it's very important that everybody here representing a member should
vote
... I think we need around 20% of the membership saying yes
... in this case it's also very important that the publishing industry
show their support
... if you're an AC rep, take care of it yourself, if not push your AC
rep!
garth: thank you Ivan for the work
... we need to get voting before the 24 in order to be on time for the
NYC meeting
... anybody on the call has an update on outreach to MS
ivan: there was some outreach to Apple
garth: I did some reach out to Google Chrome
standards folks
... but haven't heard from them
... with that said, good progress on the charter
... one of the last piece for liaising is about the status of latinreq
dave: boils down to "I need help!"
garth: can you define the topic a little bit more?
<dauwhe> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/
<cmaden2> dauwhe: I’m willing to help.
dave: see the link above about latinreq
... many years ago there was JLreq (about Japanese and Asisan languages
layout requirements)
... very detailed and very useful
... it was Markus' idea to do that also for latin languages
... I started it 3 years ago
... the idea was to capture traditional knowledge of layout and
typesetting requirements
... this kind of info would be useful for standards bodies for ebooks
and CSS in general
... how should things be paginated, hyphenated, etc
... very broad subject
... it mostly documents trade-specific things since it's the world I
know best
... things like educational content, complex tables, etc still needs to
be documented
... it would be lovely to have other volunteers to documents the legacy
and standards of books layout and typesetting!
garth: how do you envision the output of
this?
... as part of the WG or input to CSS?
dave: I think that remains to be seen
... w/b useful especially in the area that CSS is starting to touch on
(like vertical rythm)
... useful to document things like baseline alignment, when you try to
maintain a baseline rythm, etc
garth: I would expect our charter offers the flexibility to look at publishing-speciific layout and do the liaison with CSS, do you think we're OK charter-wise?
dave: yes. I think it's up to us to see how we want it delivered
billk: even though this comes out of traditional print typography, does it also apply to dynamic layout?
dave: the short answer is "we don't know"
... we have 1000 years evolution on how to render text on page, only 20
years of experience on variably shaped screens
... we don't know what's important and what isn't
... there's lots of value for the web in this information
... other people try to throw it away
... I personally think this has value for the web world
ivan: I think we're in a slightly better
situation than we were back then, makes me hopeful
... when we started the IG it was a very small group
... now we have a fresh start with a WG, quite a lot of members coming
in, I'm optimistic we'll find contributors
... when we do the detailed planning of the WG we need to define more
specifically what kind of work we need for latinreq
... and get people for specific work there
... you may be the leader for a while, I hope that's find with you?
dave: yes, I do love working on this
billk: quick comment: dave is also chairing the EPUB CG, he's a busy man (he also has a big real job)
garth: I spoke with Leonard
... Adobe is able to host on June 22+23
... sounds promising if we can get the AC vote
... I don't have an exact location, but it's highly likely that June
22/23 will be the target
... we also wan't to have a 2nd f2f in SF in November 6-10 during TPAC
... I started some conversation with W3C, a lot of publishing-related
activity during this week
... we'd probably meet on Monday/Tuesday
... the Publishing BG would also meet
... the Publishing conference would be held on Thursday/Friday, less
technical, maybe a day and a half
... not sure the CG would meet over TPAC
... but clearly a lot going on at TPAC about publishing
ivan: CG usually get a relatively short
2-hours-only slot
... we all need to get rooms and there are 100s CGs
... perfectly doable for the CG, but not comparable to the WG
... coming back to June, it w/b good to know where exactly the Adobe
offices are
garth: I'll take the action item to track that down with Leonard
ivan: the other thing is to try to get some info about hotels and if Adobe has some special deals
garth: I'll ask Leonard and get back to the group
[discussion about the date of the next call]
ivan: most of European countries will be on holidays next week
garth: we'll get an agenda on for the
following week
... any other topic?
[meeting closed]