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15:19:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:19:05 <trackbot> Date: 10 April 2017
15:19:09 <ivan> Chair: Garth
15:19:53 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2017Apr/0004.html
15:20:09 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Agenda for 2017-04-10: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2017Apr/0004.html
15:21:47 <ivan> Regrets: Brady, Vlad, Michael_Miller, Luc, Charles, Nick_Ruffilo
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16:05:44 <rdeltour> scribe: Romain
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16:06:29 <rdeltour> topic: Minutes approval
16:06:45 <rdeltour> garth: minutes approved!
16:07:19 <ivan> present+ Ric
16:07:20 <rdeltour> topic: new members
16:07:41 <rdeltour> ric: director of enngineering for the Readium Foundation, previously at Adobe for many years
16:07:53 <rdeltour> ... got a strong background in authoring as well
16:08:23 <rdeltour> garth: Also from MITRE Corporation, Dorian
16:08:49 <rdeltour> ... and Makotot Murata from Vivliostyle
16:08:58 <cmaden2> s/Makotot/Makoto/
16:09:32 <rdeltour> ... and Mateus Teixeira from W.W. Norton
16:09:50 <rdeltour> mateurs: I'm an ebook production manager. We published over a 1000 books a year
16:10:04 <rdeltour> ... also co-director of Norton Lab, incubating ideas
16:10:12 <garth> Voyager Japan, Inc. has nominated Jun Gamo to Digital Publishing Interest Group
16:10:25 <rdeltour> garth: hot off the press, another newcomer: Jun Gamo
16:11:19 <rdeltour> ... hopefully you're participation will be short lived, as we expect to move to a WG soon
16:11:56 <rdeltour> topic: update on the charter
16:12:10 <rdeltour> ivan: I have sent the charter draft to w3m for approval
16:12:23 <rdeltour> ... some issues raised by Ralph, some by Wendy
16:12:41 <rdeltour> ... the w3m (W3 Management) meetings are on wednesdays
16:13:12 <rdeltour> ... Wendy willl make it sure it's on their agenda this week, so it should officially go out to the AC by the end of the week
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16:13:24 <rdeltour> ... (but it's the Easter week-end)
16:13:44 <rdeltour> ... the AC have 4 weeks to comment on the charter and hopefully approve it
16:13:55 <rdeltour> ... in practice, we may expect issues, comments, editorial changes
16:14:01 <rdeltour> ... hopefullly nothing more serious than that
16:14:19 <rdeltour> ... it's very important that everybody here representing a member should vote
16:14:34 <rdeltour> ... I think we need around 20% of the membership saying yes
16:14:50 <rdeltour> ... in this case it's also very important that the publishing industry show their support
16:15:10 <rdeltour> ... if you're an AC rep, take care of it yourself, if not push your AC rep!
16:15:20 <rdeltour> garth: thank you Ivan for the work
16:15:50 <rdeltour> ... we need to get voting before the 24 in order to be on time for the NYC meeting
16:16:04 <rdeltour> ... anybody on the call has an update on ???
16:16:16 <rdeltour> ivan: there was some outreach to Apple
16:16:45 <rdeltour> garth: I did some reach out to Google Chrome standards folks
16:16:53 <rdeltour> ... but haven't heard from them
16:17:05 <rdeltour> ... with that said, good progress on the charter
16:17:22 <ivan> s/???/outreach to MS/
16:17:23 <rdeltour> ... one of the last piece for liaising is about the status of latinreq
16:17:28 <rdeltour> topic: latinreq
16:17:42 <rdeltour> dave: boils down to "I need help!"
16:17:58 <rdeltour> garth: can you define the topic a little bit more?
16:18:02 <dauwhe> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/
16:18:22 <cmaden2> dauwhe: I’m willing to help.
16:18:23 <rdeltour> dave: see the link above about latinreq
16:18:47 <rdeltour> dave: many years ago there was JLreq (about Japanese and Asisan languages layout requirements)
16:18:55 <rdeltour> ... very detailed and very useful
16:19:09 <rdeltour> ... it was Markus'  idea to do that also for latin languages
16:19:15 <rdeltour> ... I started it 3 years ago
16:19:25 <ivan> regrets+ pkra
16:19:31 <garth> q?
16:19:37 <rdeltour> ... the idea was to capture tarditionnal knowledge of layout and typesetting requirements
16:19:50 <rdeltour> ... this kind of info would be useful for standards bodies for ebooks and CSS in general
16:20:00 <rdeltour> ... how should things be paginated, hyphenated, etc
16:20:07 <rdeltour> ... very broad subject
16:20:25 <rdeltour> ... it mostly documents trade-specific things since it's the world I know best
16:20:43 <rdeltour> ... things like educational content, complex tables, etc still needs to be documented
16:21:03 <rdeltour> ... it would be lovely to have other volunteers to documents the legacy and standards of books layout and typesetting!
16:21:14 <rdeltour> garth: how do you envision the output of this?
16:21:20 <rdeltour> ... as part of the WG or input to CSS?
16:21:30 <rdeltour> dave: I think that remains to be seen
16:21:49 <rdeltour> ... w/b useful epsecially in the area that CSS is starting to touch on (like vertical rythm)
16:22:16 <rdeltour> ... useful to docment things like baseline alignment, when you try to maintain a baseline rythm, etc
16:22:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:22:27 <rdeltour> s/docment/document/
16:23:00 <ivan> q+
16:23:25 <rdeltour> garth: I would expect our charter offers the flexibility to look at publishing-speciific layout and do the liaison with CSS, do you think we're OK charter-wise?
16:23:38 <rdeltour> dave: yes. I think it's up to us to see how we want it delivered
16:23:53 <garth> q?
16:24:34 <rdeltour> billk: even though this comes out of traditionnel print typography, does it also apply to dynamic layout?
16:24:41 <rdeltour> dave: the short answer is "we don't know"
16:24:42 <garth> ack Bill
16:25:08 <rdeltour> ... we have 1000 years evoluaiton on how to render text on page, only 20 years of experience on variably shaped screens
16:25:19 <rdeltour> ... we don't know what's important and what isn't
16:25:33 <rdeltour> ... there's lots of value for the web in this information
16:25:48 <rdeltour> ... other people try to throw it away
16:25:59 <rdeltour> ... I personally think this has value for the web world
16:26:01 <garth> ack ivan
16:26:18 <rdeltour> ivan: I think we're in a slightly better situation than we were back then, makes me hopeful
16:26:32 <rdeltour> ... when we started the IG it was a very small group
16:26:57 <rdeltour> ... now we have  a fresh start with a WG, quite a lot of members coming in, I'm optimistic we'll find contributors
16:27:20 <rdeltour> ... when we do the detailed planning of the WG we need to define more specifically what kind of work we need for latinreq
16:27:30 <rdeltour> ... and get people for specific work there
16:27:44 <rdeltour> ... you may be the leader for a while, I hope that's find with you?
16:27:54 <rdeltour> dave: yes, I do love working on this
16:27:55 <garth> q?
16:28:59 <rdeltour> billk: quick comment: dave is also charing the EPUB CG, he's a busy man (he also has a big real job)
16:29:16 <rdeltour> topic: update on the f2f
16:29:27 <rdeltour> garth: I spoke with Leonard
16:29:35 <ivan> q+
16:29:35 <rdeltour> ... Adobe is able to host on June 22+23
16:29:50 <rdeltour> ... sounds promising if we can get the AC vote
16:30:19 <rdeltour> ... I don't have an exact  location, but it's highly likely that June 22/23 will be the target
16:30:36 <ivan> regrets+ leonard
16:30:47 <rdeltour> ... we also wan't to have a 2nd f2f in SF in November 6-10 during TPAC
16:31:22 <rdeltour> ... I started some conversation with W3C, a lot of publishing-related activity during this week
16:31:36 <rdeltour> ... we'd probably meet on Monday/Tuesday
16:31:44 <rdeltour> ... the Publishing BG would also meet
16:32:20 <rdeltour> ... the Publishing conference would be held on Thursday/Friday, less technical, maybe a day and a half
16:32:40 <rdeltour> ... not sure the CG would meet over TPAC
16:32:49 <garth> q?
16:32:52 <rdeltour> ... but clearly a lot going on at TPAC about publishing
16:33:14 <rdeltour> ivan: CG usually get a relatively short 2-hours-only slot
16:33:27 <rdeltour> ... we all need to get rooms and there are 100s CGs
16:33:42 <garth> ack ivan
16:33:42 <rdeltour> ... perfectly doable for the CG, but not comparable to the WG
16:34:05 <rdeltour> ... coming back to June, it w/b good to know where exactly the Adobe offices are
16:34:18 <rdeltour> garth: I'll take the action item to track that down with Leonard
16:34:28 <garth> (or just enough)
16:34:36 <rdeltour> ivan: the other thing is to try to get some info about hotels and if Adobe has some special deals
16:34:56 <garth> q?
16:35:01 <rdeltour> garth: I'll ask Leonard and get back to the group
16:35:44 <rdeltour> [discussion about the date of the next call]
16:36:05 <rdeltour> ivan: most of European countries will be on holidays next week
16:36:17 <rdeltour> garth: we'll get an agenda on for the following week
16:36:18 <garth> q?
16:36:35 <rdeltour> garth: any other topic?
16:37:21 <rdeltour> [meeting closed]
16:37:32 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:37:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/10-dpub-minutes.html ivan
16:37:39 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
16:37:39 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:37:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been dauwhe, ivan, George, Avneesh, mateus-teixeira, rdeltour, Bill_Kasdorf, Chris_Maden, Rick_Johnson, LaurentLM
16:37:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:37:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/10-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
16:37:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:37:48 <RRSAgent> I see no action items