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14:25:53 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:25:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:25:59 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:25:59 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:25:59 <trackbot> Date: 06 April 2017
14:25:59 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
14:26:32 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:26:36 <addison> ScribeNick: addison
14:27:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:27:40 <addison> agenda?
14:27:47 <addison> agenda+ Agenda
14:27:52 <addison> agenda+ Action Items
14:27:59 <addison> agenda+ Info Share
14:28:03 <addison> agenda+ Radar
14:28:30 <addison> agenda+ Proposal from HTML WG to remove ruby from HTML spec
14:28:47 <addison> agenda+ Closing issues
14:29:02 <addison> agenda+ Encoding commits
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14:59:21 <addison> Present+ Addison
14:59:27 <addison> Present+ Steven
15:00:49 <addison> Present+ Richard
15:01:39 <addison> Present+ Jan Nelson
15:01:53 <addison> Present+ JcK
15:03:23 <addison> agenda?
15:03:32 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:03:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
15:03:40 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:03:40 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
15:03:52 <addison> agenda+ Proposal from HTML WG to remove ruby from HTML spec
15:04:06 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:05:21 <addison> action-607?
15:05:21 <trackbot> action-607 -- Richard Ishida to Publish approaches to full justification as an article -- due 2017-04-06 -- OPEN
15:05:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/607
15:05:25 <addison> close action-607
15:05:25 <trackbot> Closed action-607.
15:06:05 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:06:05 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
15:06:44 <addison> richard: w3c is working on publishing a slightly updated version of 4 courses
15:06:56 <addison> ... css, html parts I and II
15:07:03 <addison> ... make suggestions on them
15:07:11 <addison> ... fifth course intro to javascript
15:07:15 <addison> ... will review that as well
15:07:43 <addison> Present+ Fantasai
15:08:11 <addison> richard: going through text decoration tests and changing them a fair bit
15:08:21 <addison> ... need fine tuning after "mass productions"
15:08:31 <addison> ... havent sent to web platform tests yet
15:08:38 <addison> ... or commited them yet
15:08:43 <fantasai> np, WPT just imported csswg-tests, having a week to settle is not bad :)
15:09:33 <addison> jck: X.509 certs want to include internationalized domain names and emails
15:09:40 <addison> ... still a work in progress
15:10:01 <addison> jck: URN doc has been approved and awaits pub
15:10:32 <addison> jck: thinking of revision of email standards like IMAP
15:13:55 <r12a> JEPA talk http://www.w3.org/International/talks/1703-jleq/
15:14:07 <r12a> chinese version at http://www.typeisbeautiful.com/2017/03/11613/
15:14:09 <addison> richard: my talk now available
15:14:12 <addison> ... see above
15:14:55 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:14:55 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Radar" taken up [from addison]
15:14:57 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
15:15:23 <r12a> https://twitter.com/r12a/status/798151134963757056
15:18:06 <addison> richard: ARIA reviewed. No comments needed. Move to "review completed"
15:19:18 <addison> fantasai: writing-modes is more or less done
15:19:23 <addison> ... text decoration
15:19:29 <addison> richard: status of text decor 3
15:19:31 <addison> ?
15:19:54 <addison> fantasai: need to make edits that were resolved, get feedback from i18n
15:20:04 <addison> ... gets republished as CR
15:20:11 <addison> richard: when?
15:20:21 <addison> fantasai: 3 weeks??
15:20:34 <addison> richard: need to request review
15:21:08 <addison> fantasai: did do
15:22:58 <addison> ... re-sending to www-international the list of things we need
15:23:23 <fantasai> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2016OctDec/0145.html
15:23:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:23:52 <addison> agenda?
15:24:07 <addison> zakim, delete agendum 8
15:24:07 <Zakim> agendum 8, Proposal from HTML WG to remove ruby from HTML spec, dropped
15:24:28 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:24:29 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Encoding commits" taken up [from addison]
15:24:59 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/encoding/commits
15:30:22 <addison> agenda?
15:30:45 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:30:45 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Proposal from HTML WG to remove ruby from HTML spec" taken up [from addison]
15:31:07 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/291
15:31:16 <addison> richard: this is an issue about something different
15:31:25 <addison> ... someone realized that rbc wasn't in html5
15:31:32 <addison> ... they discussed in their f2f
15:31:44 <addison> ... recommendation from chaals was remove ruby from html5!
15:31:54 <addison> ... richard required smelling salts
15:32:15 <fantasai> “Having read that, I cried for an hour, and then picked myself up off the floor and wrote back”
15:32:18 <addison> ... need something to replace it before removing it
15:32:40 <addison> ... need a content model, not just syntax
15:32:49 <addison> ... for things like webvtt
15:33:11 <addison> ... content model, think about things like rbc, nested syntax for double-sided
15:33:17 <addison> ... I might argue against it
15:33:25 <addison> ... it being nested
15:33:39 <addison> ... that's my point of view
15:33:51 <addison> richard: chaals wrote back to say "just a proposal"
15:35:32 <addison> (discussion ensues)
15:35:47 <addison> fantasai: don't have opinion on where, only how
15:36:05 <addison> ... just so long as destination is correct
15:36:23 <addison> richard: don't move until you have something to replace, don't leave for 1.5 years with *no* ruby spec
15:41:48 <addison> fantasai: can update ruby annotation with note to say "not being maintained"
15:42:02 <addison> richard: problem is that we don't have a target to point to
15:42:26 <addison> ... extension spec for html and content model for html
15:42:31 <addison> ... which might keep nested
15:42:42 <addison> ... but want to get to a replacement for ruby annotation spec
15:42:51 <addison> ... use tabular instead of interleaved
15:43:03 <addison> ... syntax for html in extension spec go look at X
15:43:09 <addison> ... webvtt look at Y
15:43:17 <addison> ... which they are asking about
15:43:45 <addison> addison: ruby annotation 2
15:52:35 <addison> richard: please don't remove ruby from html until we have something ready
15:52:54 <addison> ... 2. if thinking of taking text out we would want to check it first
15:53:05 <addison> ... (out meaning into another doc)
15:53:21 <addison> ... 3. thinking of a ruby2 that is only a content model
15:53:29 <addison> ... won't replace the extension spec
15:53:50 <addison> ... 4. please indicate in ruby extension spec that it's inside html
15:55:44 <addison> action: addison: write to chaals and HTML indicating our preferences (see minutes) regarding handling of ruby in html
15:55:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-609 - Write to chaals and html indicating our preferences (see minutes) regarding handling of ruby in html [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-04-13].
15:56:34 <addison> action: richard: start working on what a new version or update for ruby annotation would look like
15:56:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-610 - Start working on what a new version or update for ruby annotation would look like [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-04-13].
15:57:05 <addison> agenda?
15:59:30 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:59:30 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Closing issues" taken up [from addison]
15:59:48 <addison> addison: will agendize these as closed if no one says "hey, wait a minute..."
16:00:05 <addison> Topic: AOB?
16:00:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:01:55 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:01:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html r12a
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16:02:52 <r12a> s/Jan, Nelson/Jan Nelson/
16:03:13 <r12a> present+ r12a
16:04:09 <addison> zakim, bye
16:04:09 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Steven, Richard, Jan, Nelson, JcK, Fantasai, r12a
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16:04:28 <r12a> s/css, html parts I and II/css intro, html+css intro, intermed html parts I and II/
16:04:33 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:04:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html r12a
16:06:55 <r12a> s/for things like webvtt/to also cover things like WebVTT and TTML2/
16:08:39 <r12a> s/will agendize these as closed/will agendize these as closed next week/
16:08:52 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:08:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html r12a
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