23:56:14 RRSAgent has joined #auto 23:56:14 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/04/04-auto-irc 23:56:16 RRSAgent, make logs public 23:56:16 Zakim has joined #auto 23:56:18 Zakim, this will be 23:56:18 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 23:56:19 Meeting: Automotive Working Group Teleconference 23:56:19 Date: 04 April 2017 23:59:55 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-automotive/2017Apr/0004.html 00:00:07 agenda+ Status update 00:00:19 agenda+ Next process to CR 00:00:39 agenda+ Genivi AMM F2F 00:00:46 agenda+ Genivi AMM Demos 00:00:54 urata_access has joined #auto 00:00:55 agenda+ AOB 00:01:10 scribenick: ted 00:01:15 junichi-hashimoto has joined #auto 00:01:24 Chair: Paul 00:01:56 wonsuk has joined #auto 00:01:57 Present+ Wonsuk, Paul, Ted, Urata, Mike 00:05:38 paul has joined #auto 00:05:50 agenda? 00:06:13 mike has joined #auto 00:06:23 agenda+ TPAC 00:07:01 zakim, next agendum 00:07:01 agendum 1. "Status update" taken up [from ted] 00:07:25 Paul: Urata can you catch us up on VIAS? 00:08:03 Urata: Wonsuk and Adam have taken care of most of the VISS issues 00:08:54 Wonsuk: i introduced and issue and a pull request 00:08:59 -> https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/171 issue 171 00:09:28 Wonsuk: i wanted to remove optional part of the filter property 00:10:44 Present+ Rudi 00:12:00 -> https://github.com/w3c/automotive/pull/173 related pull request 00:12:22 https://github.com/w3c/automotive/pull/173 00:13:20 Urata: the change you made has path optional 00:13:38 … in getVSS path was mandatory 00:14:47 Present+ Junichi 00:16:17 Rudi: does this mean we would return the whole tree, null... 00:17:04 https://w3c.github.io/automotive/vehicle_data/vehicle_information_service.html#idl-def-authorizesuccessresponse 00:18:23 Wonsuk: we want to keep the filters in getVSS as mandatory instead of optional 00:18:57 Urata: in the existing webIDL definition it already has optional path 00:20:23 Rudi: if it is optional and you call getVSS without then what? we simply need to explain what the behavior would be in that case 00:20:53 Tried to go in as host, but it looks like you need MIT creds 00:20:59 Wonsuk: if client side wants to use path property the can 00:21:17 … I'll handle that and make clear on the issues list 00:22:15 Urata: there are still a number of open issues to review 00:23:14 https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/146 00:24:55 Urata: this one concerning tokens isn't resolved. we should be consistent with "authenticate" to "authorize" 00:26:28 (in VIAS & VISS) 00:27:44 Access tokens as proof of authentication 00:27:58 https://oauth.net/articles/authentication/ 00:28:50 Urata: Rudi responded with access token 00:29:08 Paul: that is what oauth says 00:31:35 Rudi: we should just decide and move on 00:34:10 Urata: in some cases the VISS server won't be doing the authorization but another server 00:38:16 Ted: how about a straw poll and record in minutes and on issue as a comment and consider it a proposal. people not on call have a period to object or it carries 00:38:53 Paul: there is very nuanced semantics as Urata's use case demonstrates 00:40:14 Urata: the opinions on the thread are very diversified 00:41:20 leaning on straw poll is to go with "authorize" 00:41:41 https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/156 00:41:49 s/leaning on straw poll is to go with "authorize"/Results: leaning on straw poll is to go with "authorize"/ 00:43:15 Urata: there is an opinion that VIAS could abstract itself away from web socket 00:44:56 Paul: my understanding was initially we wanted this higher level API to resemble the earlier WebIDL spec 00:45:07 … that has shifted 00:45:37 … we can move it out later after CR 00:46:00 … and defer on decision for now. it can be moved into an appendix 00:47:01 … that was Hira's suggestion, to have VIAS as an appendix later 00:47:58 Ted: it is already spelled out as a separate entity in the charter so probably should stay that way 00:49:01 Wonsuk: we can have two variations or really try to figure out how to make a more convenient api for developers 00:51:04 Wonsuk: one way to simplify is to poll the WG participants to see which they are planning on implementing 00:54:35 Rudi: we should try to deliver both at the same time 00:55:10 Paul: they can move as separate entities, having the service available sooner than the high level 00:57:56 Ted: let's keep VISS on schedule, these minutes and email from one of the chairs for people to review the issues they raised or respond to try to wrap them up with final suggestions 00:57:58 agenda? 00:59:18 zakim, take up agendum 6 00:59:18 agendum 6. "TPAC" taken up [from ted] 00:59:46 Ted: I'll reply to Rudi's email on this with WG meeting suggestions, additional details 01:00:32 zakim, take up agendum 2 01:00:32 agendum 2. "Next process to CR" taken up [from ted] 01:00:51 Ted: basically encouraging closure on issues, then one of the chairs will send a last call 01:02:41 zakim, take up agendum 4 01:02:41 agendum 4. "Genivi AMM Demos" taken up [from ted] 01:02:55 Paul: send suggestions for demos to the list 01:03:06 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Wonsuk, Paul, Ted, Urata, Mike, Rudi, Junichi 01:03:06 Zakim has left #auto 01:03:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/04-auto-minutes.html ted 01:03:41 Urata: should we decide some concrete date to go to CR? 01:05:38 Ted suggests deadline for issue 01:05:51 Urata suggestions the 18th call 01:06:04 Paul: I'll send to the list 01:06:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/04-auto-minutes.html ted 01:39:26 ahaller2 has joined #auto 03:49:47 yingying has joined #auto 03:54:36 kaz has joined #auto 04:03:29 yingying has joined #auto 04:48:45 kaz has joined #auto 05:02:51 yingying has joined #auto 06:52:29 kaz has joined #auto 06:56:35 yingying has joined #auto 07:11:29 yingying_ has joined #auto 08:02:34 kaz has joined #auto 09:09:33 yingying has joined #auto 09:18:06 yingying_ has joined #auto 09:45:09 ahaller2 has joined #auto 10:21:32 sam has joined #auto