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18:49:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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18:49:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:49:30 <trackbot> Date: 04 April 2017
18:49:45 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:50:11 <clown> agenda: this
18:50:16 <clown> agenda+ (All) Level of detail in UIA mappings.
18:50:22 <clown> agenda+ (Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing.
18:50:36 <clown> agenda+ Triage issues/actions/issues: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
18:50:54 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:51:13 <clown> Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:51:37 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:51:44 <clown> agenda+ be done.
18:52:36 <clown> clown has changed the topic to: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m111076a5138536589c06d9b5c35ffb51 Meeting Number: 641 707 405 Next Meeting 11-Apr-2017, 19:00 UTC (12:27:25 PM)
19:01:02 <clown> scribenick:  clown
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19:04:06 <clown> zakim, take up item 1
19:04:06 <Zakim> agendum 1. "(All) Level of detail in UIA mappings." taken up [from clown]
19:05:11 <clown> JS: I haven't heard from him in a couple of weeks.
19:05:28 <clown> RS: He said he had some thing happen (in a good way).
19:05:33 <clown> JS: Yes, but he will get to it.
19:05:45 <clown> JS: Is it time for you to ping him again?
19:06:01 <clown> RS: Okay, I can do it.
19:06:24 <clown> RS:  <drafts email message>
19:08:10 <clown> zakim, next item
19:08:10 <Zakim> agendum 2. "(Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing." taken up [from clown]
19:08:32 <clown> JS: Joanie away this week; will ask again next week.
19:08:49 <clown> regrets Joanmarie_Diggs
19:08:56 <richardschwerdtfeger> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
19:09:05 <clown> regrets Bryan_Garaventa
19:09:16 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:09:22 <clown> zakim, next item
19:09:22 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Triage issues/actions/issues: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
19:10:54 <clown> JS:  Looked these over and most are in a holding pattern.
19:11:03 <clown> RS:  Don't see Bogdan's action.
19:11:13 <clown> RS: Let's make one for house keeping.
19:12:51 <clown> JS:  Okay.
19:13:04 <clown> Topic:  ISSUE-674?
19:13:09 <clown> ISSUE0674?
19:13:16 <clown> ISSUE-674?
19:13:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-674 -- Current references to Name and description computation must refer to host languages -- raised
19:13:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/674
19:17:15 <clown> RS and JS: look over the core-aam for host language references to see if issue 674.
19:17:28 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_additional_nd
19:17:56 <clown> JS:  the above url is specifically for naming and description
19:19:01 <clown> s/to see if issue 674/to see if issue 674 is addressed/
19:19:12 <clown> RS:  I think it is addressed.  Let's close the issue.
19:19:21 <clown> RS: I'll make a note in the issue, and close it.
19:19:57 <clown> topic: issue-735
19:20:01 <clown> ISSUE-735?
19:20:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-735 -- should rowgroup be mapped as a group? -- raised
19:20:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/735
19:20:46 <clown> RS:  Edge makes rowgroup landmark-y?  I don't think that's right.
19:21:03 <clown> RS:  I think the task force has addressed this after many discussions.
19:21:08 <clown> RS:  I think we should close.
19:21:15 <clown> RS: I'll make a comment in the issue.
19:21:21 <clown> JS: Agreed.
19:21:38 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
19:30:25 <clown> JS: Now, this list of issues/actions represent stuff that we are just waiting for to be finished.
19:30:38 <clown> JS:  So, holding pattern for them.
19:35:49 <clown> zakim, next item
19:35:49 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Triage accname issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26" taken up [from clown]
19:36:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/26
19:37:04 <clown> topic: issue-542
19:37:10 <clown> ISSUE-542?
19:37:10 <trackbot> ISSUE-542 -- Text Alt Comp section on CSS generated content does not allow for proper CSS content fallback -- open
19:37:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/542
19:39:11 <clown> JS:  This is a good idea, but does not work in any browser yet.
19:39:39 <clown> JS: So, if we put it in accname-aam, it will fail in terms of testing.
19:40:27 <clown> RS:  This is not going to fly in the 1.1 time frame
19:40:43 <clown> RS:  And, we need to coordinate with CSS group.
19:40:46 <clown> JS:  yes.
19:41:05 <clown> RS: So, let's move this to 1.2, and somehow engage the CSS group.
19:41:22 <clown> RS:  Let me add a comment and move the issue.
19:42:25 <clown> Topic:  issue-609
19:42:29 <clown> issue-609?
19:42:29 <trackbot> issue-609 -- Text Alt Comp section does not explicitly disallow empty strings as a valid label -- open
19:42:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/609
19:42:45 <clown> RS:  Empty strings are technically valid?
19:42:49 <clown> JS:  I don't think so.
19:43:32 <clown> RS: I think this is a test tool issue.
19:43:45 <clown> RS:  why is the author put in an empty text string.
19:45:35 <clown> RS:  that's an error.
19:45:46 <clown> RS:  let me comment on the issue, and let's close it.
19:46:02 <clown> JS:  The current wording in the accname-aam has changed since this issue.
19:46:12 <clown> JS: and it's okay.
19:47:05 <clown> JS:  yes, let's close it.
19:47:17 <clown> topic: issue-626
19:47:26 <clown> Topic: issue-626
19:47:37 <clown> issue-626?
19:47:37 <trackbot> issue-626 -- text alt computation statements on recursion are unclear -- open
19:47:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/626
19:50:18 <clown> JS:  the text is clearer now that you follow only one aria-labelledby:
19:50:50 <clown> "if computing a name ,… and the current node is not already part of an aria-labelledby traversal,
19:51:15 <clown> JS:  let's close it.
19:51:37 <clown> RS:  I'll add a comment.  Got a link?
19:51:38 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#step2B
19:52:05 <clown> topic: issue-751
19:52:09 <clown> issue-751?
19:52:09 <trackbot> issue-751 -- Step 2H: tooltip attribute -- open
19:52:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/751
19:53:03 <clown> JS:  Those are good questions that Cynthia asks.  I don't know the answer.
19:53:18 <clown> RS:  Unfortunately, there is no normative requirment about tooltips.
19:53:35 <clown> RS: They are not required to render a tooltip.
19:53:43 <clown> JS: But, that's not what she is asking.
19:53:53 <clown> RS: Okay, let me put it this way.  It's not defined.
19:54:57 <clown> JS:  I think it's the host language's problem to define the notion of tooltip
19:55:11 <clown> JS: So, it's not an accname problem.
19:55:16 <clown> RS:  Yes.
19:55:34 <clown> Topic: Issue-1021
19:55:40 <clown> ISSUE-1021
19:55:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-1021 -- Label Relationship is inconsistent on Mac and Linux - Should we expose? -- open
19:55:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1021
19:56:53 <clown> RS:  <Reads Joanie's notes in the issue>
19:57:06 <clown> RS:  And, Joseph agreed with Joanie's comment.
19:58:36 <clown> JS:  Leave this one open in order to consider it further.
19:58:58 <clown> Topic: issue-1044
19:59:02 <clown> ISSUE-1044?
19:59:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-1044 -- Concatenate ARIA Description and ARIA error message -- open
19:59:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1044
19:59:26 <clown> RS: I opened this on behalf of James Teh
19:59:46 <clown> RS: He wanted to concatenate the aria description with the error message text
19:59:58 <clown> RS: But, we decided to not do this.
20:00:09 <clown> RS: This has been dealt with; closing.
20:00:33 <clown> Topic: ISSUE-750
20:00:44 <clown> issue-750?
20:00:44 <trackbot> issue-750 -- Step 2.F.iii.c Define when to append with and without a space -- pending review
20:00:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/750
20:00:52 <clown> RS: I think Cynthia makes a valid point here.
20:01:12 <clown> JS:  I remember adding an editorial note about it, but may have been a different step.
20:02:37 <clown> JS: I'm still trying to figure out the principle here (step 2F iii)
20:02:52 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#step2F.iii.c
20:03:10 <clown> <input type="checkbox"> Make this the <em>top</em>most element</label>
20:04:17 <clown> JS:  there should be no space between "top" and "most".
20:04:44 <clown> "Make this the topmost element"
20:07:02 <clown> JS:  I see, no space would ever happne.  I'll ditch the editors' note.
20:07:43 <clown> JS:  leave the issue open, and I will take care of it.
20:09:07 <clown> JS:  That's it for today — at the hour.
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20:10:37 <clown> regrets: Joanmarie_Diggs
20:11:17 <clown> regrets: Bryan_Garaventa
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20:12:18 <clown> regrets+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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