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15:01:49 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
15:01:52 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:01:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:01:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:01:55 <trackbot> Date: 30 March 2017
15:01:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
15:02:11 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:02:16 <addison> ScribeNick: addison
15:02:23 <addison> Regrets: Felix, Steven
15:02:43 <addison> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Mar/0035.html
15:02:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:04:56 <r12a> present+
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15:05:50 <addison> present+
15:06:56 <fantasai> present+
15:07:15 <addison> present+ fantasai
15:08:06 <addison> Topic: Agenda
15:09:18 <addison> Topic: Action Items
15:09:36 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:10:38 <addison> action-596?
15:10:38 <trackbot> action-596 -- Addison Phillips to Adjust the agenda to reflect use of uk time for meeting and update links to dateandtime -- due 2017-03-16 -- OPEN
15:10:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/596
15:10:42 <addison> close action-596
15:10:42 <trackbot> Closed action-596.
15:11:28 <addison> action-600?
15:11:29 <trackbot> action-600 -- Addison Phillips to Prepare and submit encoding refresh -- due 2017-03-16 -- OPEN
15:11:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/600
15:11:48 <addison> action-604?
15:11:48 <trackbot> action-604 -- Richard Ishida to Move the encoding tracking table to github so addison can update it -- due 2017-03-30 -- OPEN
15:11:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/604
15:11:51 <addison> close action-604
15:11:51 <trackbot> Closed action-604.
15:12:04 <addison> action-605?
15:12:04 <trackbot> action-605 -- Richard Ishida to Checks status of svg2 comments -- due 2017-03-30 -- OPEN
15:12:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/605
15:12:14 <addison> richard: all still open
15:12:20 <addison> ... svg work seems on hiatus
15:12:42 <addison> close action-605
15:12:43 <trackbot> Closed action-605.
15:12:54 <addison> action-606?
15:12:54 <trackbot> action-606 -- Richard Ishida to Tell travis to go ahead removing bidi controls text from html5 and whatwg -- due 2017-03-30 -- OPEN
15:12:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/606
15:12:59 <addison> close action-606
15:12:59 <trackbot> Closed action-606.
15:13:23 <addison> Topic: Info Share
15:13:30 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/tests/#css3-text-decor
15:13:38 <addison> richard: now have two sets of tests for test decoration
15:13:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:13:52 <addison> richard: a couple need some word tweaking
15:14:13 <addison> ... line below "a bit lower" hard to test
15:14:20 <addison> ... tests now there focused on i18n stuff
15:14:27 <addison> ... a few exploratory tests
15:14:39 <addison> ... note in spec says JP different from ZH
15:14:54 <addison> ... put some exploratory for what I think should happen to mongolian
15:15:02 <addison> ... writing tests takes time
15:15:11 <addison> ... figure out how to write more efficiently
15:15:29 <addison> ... took time to create a system to generate tests
15:15:36 <addison> ... first fruit of that effort
15:15:42 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minyutes', addison.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:15:48 <addison> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:15:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:16:01 <addison> richard: assertions still use same text as tests, etc.
15:16:19 <addison> fantasai: just switched to using web tests
15:16:38 <addison> richard: contribute our tests to platform
15:16:48 <fantasai> s/web tests/WPT repo/
15:17:14 <addison> ... this is a mechanism for how I create the files
15:17:33 <addison> fantasai: as far as assertion and instructions
15:17:36 <addison> ... usually quite different
15:17:51 <addison> ... text decoration sometimes have identical text for both
15:18:04 <addison> ... pass condition can be more abstract, not useful assertion
15:18:24 <addison> richard stuck in properties and values automatically
15:18:35 <addison> ... instructions are "test passes if"
15:18:51 <addison> ... and then may add something like "this is what happense for e.g. Japanese chars"
15:18:57 <addison> ... not perfect but okay maybe?
15:19:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:20:06 <fantasai> CSSWG is meeting in Tokyo mid-April :)
15:20:49 <addison> Topic: Radar
15:20:53 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
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15:23:51 <addison> TOpic: HTML WG wants to close issue 470
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15:24:00 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Mar/0039.html
15:24:14 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/164
15:24:41 <addison> okay by me
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15:27:36 <addison> Topic: String in WHATWG
15:30:25 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2017JanMar/0059.html
15:34:27 <addison> https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#primitive-data-types
15:35:55 <addison> Topic: Content Model for Ruby Markup?
15:36:27 <addison> richard: make a work item?
15:37:25 <addison> ... ttml is defining how ruby should work in their spec
15:37:33 <addison> ... only slightly differently than others
15:37:42 <addison> ... not the syntax, but the objects and how they relate
15:37:50 <addison> ... we have a content model in ruby annotation spec
15:37:55 <addison> ... have one in html
15:38:09 <addison> ... and css ruby spec, which expects some stuff like tabular layout
15:38:17 <addison> ... same ?? with ITS and webvtt
15:38:33 <addison> ... would be nice to produce a document that says what elements you need and relationship?
15:38:51 <addison> addison: new version of ruby annotation spec??
15:38:55 <addison> richard: not sure
15:39:20 <addison> fantasai: happy to review
15:41:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:41:26 <addison> Topic: Can we publish Approaches to full justification
15:42:01 <najib> Yes
15:42:02 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/justification.en
15:42:05 <addison> richard: publish as an article
15:43:07 <najib> q+
15:43:12 <addison> ... no objections?
15:43:15 <addison> ack najib
15:43:30 <addison> present+ Najib
15:43:43 <addison> najib: put a comment about tatweel
15:43:54 <addison> ... it gives a better result
15:44:00 <addison> ... gave some explanation
15:44:12 <addison> ... tatweel is only possible for simple fonts
15:44:19 <addison> ... not really an implementation of kashida
15:44:45 <addison> addison: changes required?
15:44:59 <addison> najib: no, just confirming what richard wrote
15:46:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:46:09 <addison> najib: mentioned this in ALReq
15:46:38 <addison> action: richard: publish Approaches to Full Justification as an article
15:46:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-607 - Publish approaches to full justification as an article [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-04-06].
15:47:08 <addison>  Topic: Support for bidi in strings
15:47:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:47:49 <najib> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/json-bidi
15:48:12 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/string-base-direction.html
15:55:39 <najib> q+
15:56:53 <r12a> add "we're seeing problems with this in more and more specs"
16:00:38 <najib> q-
16:01:40 <r12a> add point that you should have to use metadata always, only if first strong works
16:01:58 <addison> action: addison: send richard comments on string-base-direction document
16:01:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-608 - Send richard comments on string-base-direction document [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-04-06].
16:01:58 <r12a> s/should have to/should not have to/
16:02:24 <addison> Topic: AOB?
16:03:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html addison
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16:04:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:20:50 <r12a> s/only if first strong works/only if first strong doesn't work/
16:21:02 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:21:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html r12a
16:52:12 <addison> zakim, bye
16:52:12 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been r12a, addison, fantasai, Najib
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16:52:23 <r12a> rrsagent, bye
16:52:23 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:52:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: publish Approaches to Full Justification as an article [1]
16:52:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-irc#T15-46-38
16:52:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: send richard comments on string-base-direction document [2]
16:52:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-irc#T16-01-58