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18:50:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:50:16 <trackbot> Date: 28 March 2017
18:50:27 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:50:32 <clown> agenda: this
18:50:42 <clown> agenda+ (All) Level of detail in UIA mappings.
18:50:52 <clown> agenda+ (Joseph, Joanie) Remove RELATION_POPUP_FOR from ATK/AT-SPI mappings of aria-haspopup
18:51:04 <clown> agenda+ (Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing.
18:51:10 <clown> agenda+ (All) Joseph post ARIA 1.1
18:52:32 <clown> agenda+ (Joanie, Joseph) Fix IA2 and ATK mappings for aria-current
18:52:42 <clown> agenda+ Triage actions/issues: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
18:52:51 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:53:03 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:53:11 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:53:29 <clown> agenda+ be done.
19:08:30 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
19:08:36 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
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19:08:44 <joanie> scribe: joanie
19:08:52 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
19:08:52 <Zakim> agendum 1. "(All) Level of detail in UIA mappings." taken up [from clown]
19:12:00 <joanie> JS: We have a request to Bogdan to update the UIA mappings to add some more detail.
19:12:11 <joanie> JS: There has been some back and forth via email.
19:12:48 <joanie> JS: Bogdan recently let us know that he will be a bit delayed with the proposed change due to a "(good) family change."
19:13:16 <joanie> JS: I was working on a test case today and it would have been quite helpful to have had more detail for UIA.
19:13:20 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:13:20 <Zakim> agendum 2. "(Joseph, Joanie) Remove RELATION_POPUP_FOR from ATK/AT-SPI mappings of aria-haspopup" taken up [from clown]
19:13:48 <joanie> JS: Joanie had done a pull request to remove RELATION_POPUP_FOR.
19:13:54 <joanie> JS: We discussed it last week.
19:14:08 <joanie> JS: Today when I went to merge it, I had conflicts.
19:14:26 <joanie> JS: I resolved it.
19:14:35 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/537
19:14:45 <joanie> JS: URL above.
19:14:56 <joanie> JS: It ends with a comment to Joanie to close it.
19:15:02 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/7ab9810353df4d24c0a17ad39c2e55871f253775#diff-050019a87fcff05c45d14598767c5e28
19:15:10 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaHaspopupTrue
19:18:14 <joanie> JD: Looks good to me.
19:18:25 <joanie> JD: I'll close it.
19:18:35 <joanie> JS: You can close the branch too, or I can.
19:18:40 <joanie> JD: Please do. Thanks!
19:18:44 <joanie> JS: Done
19:18:49 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:18:49 <Zakim> agendum 3. "(Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing." taken up [from clown]
19:19:22 <joanie> JS: It's the weekly checkin.
19:21:51 <joanie> JD: I have been focued on all things harness. So no new updates on this particular item. Sorry!
19:21:55 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:21:55 <Zakim> agendum 4. "(All) Joseph post ARIA 1.1" taken up [from clown]
19:22:25 <joanie> JS: Jess sent me an email.
19:22:44 <joanie> s/JS/RS/
19:22:50 <joanie> RS: They only have funding until the end of April.
19:23:04 <joanie> JS: And I don't think we'll be to CR by then.
19:24:26 <joanie> JS: I should be able to do what's currently known.
19:24:48 <joanie> RS: I don't think there will be much more.
19:25:36 <joanie> JD: Hopefully not, but don't speak too soon. I'm finding bugs in the Core AAM as a consequence of the ATTA work.
19:25:47 <joanie> JD: aria-current is the latest example
19:26:30 <joanie> JS: So I need to see how many hours I have left that I can spend on ARIA.
19:26:38 <joanie> JS: And will get as much done as we can.
19:27:56 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:27:56 <Zakim> agendum 5. "(Joanie, Joseph) Fix IA2 and ATK mappings for aria-current" taken up [from clown]
19:28:23 <joanie> Zakim, previous item
19:28:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'previous item', joanie
19:28:30 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 4
19:28:30 <Zakim> agendum 4. "(All) Joseph post ARIA 1.1" taken up [from clown]
19:28:52 <joanie> RS: We need to figure out what we're going to do.
19:29:08 <joanie> RS: ARIA shouldn't need any editing now that we're in CR.
19:30:39 <joanie> JS: There's Core AAM and AccName.
19:31:12 <joanie> JD: Since I'm way more comfortable with Core AAM than AccName, if Joseph has to focus on one, I'd prefer he focus on AccName.
19:31:28 <joanie> RS: By the way, did you hear from Dominic?
19:31:40 <clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Mar/0054.html
19:31:45 <joanie> JD: I didn't get a reply back.
19:32:11 <joanie> JS: URL to the message Joanie sent above.
19:32:24 <joanie> JS: And neither Dominic nor Alex have replied.
19:33:57 <joanie> JD: I will follow up with them if I don't hear back in a couple of days.
19:34:54 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 5
19:34:54 <Zakim> agendum 5. "(Joanie, Joseph) Fix IA2 and ATK mappings for aria-current" taken up [from clown]
19:35:22 <joanie> JS: Joanie did another pull request a little while ago about aria-current.
19:35:26 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/543
19:35:33 <joanie> JS: Link above.
19:35:57 <joanie> JS: Joanie caught this as part of her ATTA work.
19:36:03 <joanie> JS: This was just an hour ago.
19:40:10 <joanie> JS: But it looks like the attribute just needs to change from "active" to "current".
19:40:40 <joanie> JS: I will do this by the end of the week.
19:42:00 <joanie> Zakim: next item
19:42:07 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:42:07 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Triage actions/issues: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
19:42:19 <joanie> s/Zakim: next item//
19:42:24 <clown> action-1681
19:42:24 <trackbot> action-1681 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose new wording, as an editorial change only to clarify the inclusion rules in section 5.1.2 -- due 2017-03-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
19:42:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1681
19:42:41 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_general
19:43:05 <joanie> JS: Regarding action-1681, I raised it quite some time ago because I thought the inclusion/exclusion rules were vague.
19:43:35 <joanie> JS: Cynthia took a look and said overall things were fine, but that there were a few things which could be improved.
19:43:49 <joanie> JS: Rich subsequently wrote a couple of paragraphs for the ARIA spec.
19:44:03 <joanie> JS: I have since written some text for Core AAM (see link above).
19:45:08 <joanie> JS: It's the third paragraph (beginning with 'The terms "exposing", "mapping", and "including"')
19:45:29 <joanie> RS: Does this cover aria-owns?
19:45:36 <clown> Elements that have an ID which is referenced by another element via a WAI-ARIA relation (https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-controls, https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-describedby, https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-flowto, https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-labelledby or https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-owns) and are not https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#dfn-hidden.
19:45:48 <clown> Elements that have an ID which is referenced by another element via a WAI-ARIA relation (aria-controls, aria-describedby, aria-flowto, aria-labelledby or aria-owns) and are not hidden.
19:46:07 <joanie> JS: There's a section on inclusion which has the text I pasted above.
19:46:34 <joanie> RS: Did you include aria-details?
19:46:42 <joanie> JS: That's a good observation.
19:46:49 <joanie> RS: Also aria-errormessage.
19:46:51 <joanie> JS: Ok.
19:47:13 <joanie> JS: Every time we add a new property, we're going to have to update this list.
19:47:18 <joanie> JS: Oh well.
19:47:22 <joanie> RS: Yup.
19:49:27 <joanie> RS: I don't fully agree with item 4.
19:49:35 <joanie> JS: Read the next item.
19:49:44 <joanie> RS: Should we list those?
19:49:50 <joanie> JS: It comes up later on.
19:50:18 <joanie> JS: This is supposed to be a high-level section. The details come up in subsequent sections, like 5.1.1.
19:50:48 <joanie> RS: Under item 4, I would say, "in instances where ..."
19:51:31 <joanie> RS: I would change item 5's second bullet.
19:52:03 <joanie> RS: You might want to again say, "in instances where the host language allows for CSS display:none, they cannot be made focusable."
19:52:26 <joanie> RS: Right now it's kind of wishy-washy....
19:52:30 <joanie> JS: I'll think about it.
19:53:02 <joanie> RS: In host languages where display:none is allowed on elements, those elements cannot be made focusable.
19:53:08 <joanie> JS: OK.
19:53:25 <joanie> JS: I've also added a link to your (Rich's) section.
19:53:49 <joanie> JS: So I send readers somewhere else to get the details.
19:53:53 <joanie> RS: I think this is fine.
19:54:18 <joanie> JS: Under 5.1.2, the second bullet has a new sentence.
19:54:40 <joanie> JS: "Accessibility API events are documented in the Events section."
19:54:54 <joanie> JS: With Rich's suggested modifications being made, can we close this?
19:55:01 <joanie> RS: Yes, and I don't need to review it.
19:55:20 <joanie> JS: What markup language doesn't allow display:none?
19:55:36 <joanie> RS: You mentioned HTML, so....
19:56:07 <joanie> JS: Thank you for your suggestions.
19:56:34 <joanie> JS: Once I get those done, it will take care of both an issue and an action.
19:56:38 <joanie> Group: Yay!
19:57:01 <clown> action-2057
19:57:01 <trackbot> action-2057 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Suggest that axapi mapping of role="form" should be a landmark in the AXSubRole. -- due 2016-05-03 -- OPEN
19:57:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2057
19:57:15 <joanie> JS: There's an action on Joanie (above).
19:57:23 <joanie> JS: It was due May of last year.
19:58:13 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-form
19:59:23 <joanie> JD: Still on my list. Sorry!
19:59:35 <clown> action-2130
19:59:35 <trackbot> action-2130 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Determine if AX AXPI supports an event if the accessible description changes. -- due 2016-12-20 -- OPEN
19:59:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2130
20:00:21 <joanie> JD: We can answer this one after we finish the ATTA and harness work.
20:00:34 <clown> action-2131
20:00:34 <trackbot> action-2131 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Review HTML-AAM -- due 2017-01-17 -- OPEN
20:00:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2131
20:01:01 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/81
20:01:04 <joanie> RS: I've done a little bit of the review, but I'm not yet done.
20:01:16 <joanie> JS: You filed github issue 81.
20:01:28 <joanie> RS: Steve made some changes and closed the issue.
20:01:44 <joanie> RS: We actually discussed it on the ARIA call a while back.
20:01:49 <joanie> JS: Can we close your issue?
20:02:06 <joanie> RS: No. I'm still working on it. Issue 81 was just one part of it.
20:12:32 <joanie> Zakim, part
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