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15:24:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:24:49 <trackbot> Date: 27 March 2017
15:24:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
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15:25:47 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
15:25:48 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  actions review SC, and timelines show status table.sc status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html,
15:25:50 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  set a time for an extra coga call
15:25:51 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  Sc managers actions - instuctions: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/wiki/Tending-to-SC-Proposals https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1, example  https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/2,
15:25:53 <Lisa_Seeman> issues: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA
15:25:54 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ high priority sc
15:25:56 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ What have we missed for issues page
15:25:57 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ be done
15:26:07 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
15:26:07 <Zakim> agendum 5. "next high priority SC's" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
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15:58:54 <AndyHeath> what is the meeting room password for webex please?
16:00:20 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Mary Jo
16:00:29 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Mary Jo, thadd
16:01:19 <AndyHeath> what is the meeting room password please ?
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16:03:43 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:03:43 <Zakim> agendum 6. "be done" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:03:50 <Lisa_Seeman> sent to andy
16:03:58 <Pietro> Present+ Pietro
16:04:22 <Pietro> I'm not ready to scribe
16:04:43 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:04:43 <Zakim> agendum 7. "actions review SC, and timelines show status table.sc status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html," taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
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16:05:09 <kirkwood> present+
16:05:29 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: kirkwood
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16:05:43 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/March14SCReviews/
16:05:49 <Lisa_Seeman> please fill it in
16:06:06 <kirkwood> LS: WCAG survey that is important link above
16:06:37 <kirkwood> LS: review current action items to see where we are
16:06:41 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
16:07:15 <kirkwood> LS: finding out the process from new wording and comments
16:08:15 <kirkwood> LS: where does the new wording go WG that is published and the new wording for the SC goes into the github subdirectory as per instructions
16:08:46 <kirkwood> LS: ther a branshes on the github for each success criteria current working is meant to go there
16:09:10 <kirkwood> LS: don’t make a new pull reuest keep the working and the discussion supposed to be in original issue
16:09:42 <kirkwood> LS: setting it up if we run into problems we can ask Andrew Josh or Michael to assist
16:10:44 <kirkwood> LS: understanding where to stup links, we will press latest wording to edit, that’s where they are meant to be. We need to know where they are sitting in the github
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16:11:57 <kirkwood> LS: two questions, where are we menat to put new working
16:12:14 <kirkwood> LS: second questikon how are we supposed to track it
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16:12:59 <kirkwood> LS: where do they sit, where do we putit. In the github therre is a bransh for wach separte success criteria which has a subdirectory where latest text is
16:13:22 <kirkwood> LS: getting that setup, there will be a link at the top of the SC
16:13:50 <Lisa_Seeman> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/2
16:13:53 <kirkwood> LS: good news is there is a link to it for example issue 2
16:14:10 <kirkwood> LS: this is an example of what it looks like
16:14:41 <kirkwood> LS: click on first one goes to a lttle file with text of SC. If you look at the URL its in rawgit
16:15:18 <kirkwood> LS: if you press on the SC for editing and can see the text for editing. If you need to change the wording you need to change it in URL
16:15:48 <kirkwood> LS: if you are ready to change the SC and editing the HTML is hard feel free to ask Josh or myself lisa
16:15:50 <janina> present+
16:16:18 <kirkwood> LS: you can either view or edit
16:16:44 <kirkwood> LS: that is where the change content will sit
16:17:30 <kirkwood> LS: don’t feel bad about asking for help
16:18:16 <kirkwood> LS: next to address is, what is the process for setting up
16:18:28 <Lisa_Seeman> instuctions to set it up https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/wiki/Tending-to-SC-Proposals
16:18:34 <kirkwood> LS: how to set it up instructions
16:18:57 <kirkwood> each SC manager should follow these to setup links at top of page. Don’t worry to much
16:19:26 <kirkwood> SC: if you are stuck and hard to follow, Josh Andrew and Michael have offered to assist do it for you
16:19:52 <kirkwood> LS: you are supposed to know where it is as a SC manager
16:20:38 <kirkwood> Mike: I must admeit looking at example and instructions not sure betweeen SC for viewing and SC for editing, unsure what these links are pointing to
16:20:57 <kirkwood> LS: sc for viewing is and are that cant edit
16:21:20 <kirkwood> LS: if yo need to edit acess c
16:21:39 <kirkwood> Ls: change of content is adefinted term
16:21:48 <kirkwood> Mike: confused but now understand
16:22:15 <kirkwood> Mike: name of defintion and the SC are the same so it was confusing to me
16:22:43 <kirkwood> Mike: so i have it clear the links piint to the revise3d versions
16:23:24 <kirkwood> LS: to setup these links if you get stuck ask Andrew Josh or Michael don’t feel bad about it
16:23:49 <kirkwood> LS: error in instructions that should hopefully be fixed
16:24:17 <kirkwood> LS: how are we meant to track the feedback? is the next question
16:25:05 <kirkwood> LS: someon is supposed do go through all the feedback, should crop up as a reference
16:26:29 <kirkwood> LS: open new issues but should be references and the links are making sense
16:27:02 <kirkwood> Jan: when somebody makes a comment the issues will be teracked into the comment stream on the SC.  But yes I und3erstaned the links
16:27:51 <kirkwood> LS: if people have tried if nowhere clse ask, EA has done it
16:28:01 <kirkwood> clse/just
16:28:25 <kirkwood> LS: if you get stuck send to Andrew Josh or Michael
16:28:38 <kirkwood> LS: next, how are we tracking comments
16:29:01 <kirkwood> LS: comments in issue makes difficult to manage
16:29:25 <kirkwood> LS: if others are finding cant follow comment stream we should report that
16:30:12 <kirkwood> LS: think people in WCAG just going to put comments in issue itself
16:30:20 <kirkwood> LS: and in the survey itself
16:30:48 <kirkwood> LS: opeple outsede WAG they are also giving feedback and there they are adding addtional issues
16:31:22 <kirkwood> LS: by opening a ne3w issue thay are menat to reference a SC, it will crop up as a reference in the main SC
16:32:15 <kirkwood> LS: you can click on those and you can see the comments. Scroll to the bottom and you go up like four comeents this was referenced from
16:32:45 <kirkwood> LS: those are refenences and they are actually clickable and you can go to place that references it
16:33:07 <kirkwood> LS: where we have feedback do we put it in the main one or in the issue that references it
16:33:26 <kirkwood> LS: hoping Michael could answer that
16:34:11 <kirkwood> LS: does that make sense
16:34:13 <kirkwood> yes
16:34:20 <kirkwood> Michael: yes
16:35:14 <kirkwood> LS: its very time consuming often need extra phone calls and setting up calls. I would like to setup a time for an extra call, a regular time
16:35:49 <kirkwood> LS: maybe Tuesday after WCAG call
16:36:10 <Jan> +1 to extra meeting an hour after the WCAG call
16:36:12 <Lisa_Seeman> 1.30 east cost
16:36:25 <kirkwood> fine for me
16:36:42 <Pietro> +1 after WCAG call
16:37:15 <kirkwood> LS: it would generally managable not ideal
16:37:25 <Jim_S> I can try but can't guarentee attendance
16:37:26 <kirkwood> LS/Michael
16:37:49 <kirkwood> Michael: half hour break
16:38:11 <kirkwood> LS: we could do an hour before
16:38:12 <Jan> +1 to half-hour break between AG meeting and extra COGA call
16:38:29 <Jim_S> +1 to 30 minute break
16:39:25 <kirkwood> LS: we’ll set with a time an hour affter WCAG call
16:40:03 <kirkwood> LS: so its a set time don’t need to do doodle for a sub topic, can use for subgroups or other topics
16:40:31 <kirkwood> Andy: can’t make that time
16:40:33 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/March14SCReviews/
16:41:42 <kirkwood> LS: if there are two people want this that’s going to be extremely negative, even if you want it in with changes, its important to respond to survy
16:42:14 <Lisa_Seeman> TOPIC: ISO SC35
16:42:37 <kirkwood> Andy: what wanted to bring to attention was, SE35 which began rather strangely as a WCAG success criteria
16:43:33 <kirkwood> Andy: POUR described in terms of user needs, since that time moved from suecial has moved to ISO 35
16:43:43 <kirkwood> Andy: i’;m an editor of that standard
16:44:08 <kirkwood> Andy: I am in two groups doing very simalar stuff but doing the same thing relatively
16:44:28 <kirkwood> Andy: diffenet structures and different political constraings
16:45:01 <kirkwood> Andy: given doing same stuff differently braing attention of each groups work to each other
16:46:04 <kirkwood> Andy: the system in ISO goes to antional bodies that participate its with them for three months. When I look at the stuff that you are doing. It just hits you in the fgace that ists the same stuff. There should be some mapping between user needs. not propo9sing any big political action.
16:46:20 <kirkwood> Andy: any comments in the ISO work would be exteremely useful
16:46:41 <kirkwood> Andy: ther are tow ways that this could be done
16:47:26 <kirkwood> Andy: you can participate through national bocies in country not sure about US status they used to participate
16:48:05 <kirkwood> Any: Janina is the WCAG liason and has acccess the es documents and is part of SC35 but is not anymore a liason
16:48:19 <kirkwood> Any/Andy
16:49:01 <kirkwood> Andy: maybe we can find away , happy to receive UK comments and only can be use
16:49:20 <Lisa_Seeman> Q+
16:49:42 <kirkwood> Andy: liason bodies can comment but don’t get a vote
16:50:55 <kirkwood> Ancy: we tried to describe each need, it would be incredibly useful to review work
16:51:03 <Lisa_Seeman> ack li
16:51:54 <AndyHeath> 29138-1
16:52:16 <AndyHeath> Information technology — User interface accessibility — Part 1: User accessibility needs
16:53:03 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html
16:53:23 <kirkwood> list of user need
16:54:01 <kirkwood> Andy: amount of work to tie together would be difficult
16:57:24 <kirkwood> Andy: If its user needs, this vote is due by May 21
16:58:15 <AndyHeath> andyheath@axelafa.com
16:59:41 <kirkwood> LA: does anyone need a call? sucessful with authentification last week
16:59:55 <kirkwood> LA/LS
17:00:38 <kirkwood> LS: Tuesday extra call for COGA will be addressing more concerns in wording
17:01:47 <kirkwood> LS: does anyone object to changing in two weeks due to passover?
17:02:29 <kirkwood> LS: I’ll coordinate with Michael and Janina if no striong feelings, speak to next week
17:14:09 <MichaelC> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html
17:14:20 <Lisa_Seeman> lost audio
17:15:29 <Lisa_Seeman> trying to rejion
17:17:08 <MichaelC> I can have it call you, #?
17:24:16 <MichaelC> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#prop_def
17:24:32 <MichaelC> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#semantic_prop_taxonomy
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17:43:17 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
17:43:17 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JohnRochford, Jim_S, kirkwood, jan, Susann_Keohane, Pietro, Thaddeus, janina
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