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15:47:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
15:47:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:47:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:47:48 <trackbot> Date: 22 March 2017
15:48:12 <janina> agenda?
15:48:20 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:48:20 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:48:24 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:48:24 <janina> agenda+ APA Task Forces: CSS -- Ted Drake
15:48:24 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
15:48:24 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:48:25 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:48:26 <janina> agenda+ Input Events Followup http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Mar/0013.html
15:48:29 <janina> agenda+ Confirming results of tests of accessibility aspects of specs
15:48:32 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:48:34 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:48:37 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:48:45 <janina>  agenda?
15:50:09 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:50:09 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:51:07 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:51:07 <janina> agenda+ CfCs & Review Requests
15:51:07 <janina> agenda+ APA Task Forces: CSS -- Ted Drake
15:51:07 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
15:51:08 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:51:10 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:51:12 <janina> agenda+ Input Events Followup http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Mar/0013.html
15:51:15 <janina> agenda+ Confirming results of tests of accessibility aspects of specs
15:51:18 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:51:20 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:51:23 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:59:26 <Gottfried> Gottfried has joined #apa
15:59:56 <janina>  present+
16:00:01 <janina> Chair: Janina
16:00:38 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:01:50 <Gottfried> scribe: Gottfried
16:02:46 <Gottfried> agenda?
16:05:06 <JF> JF has joined #apa
16:05:21 <JF> Present+ JF
16:05:41 <MichaelC> present+
16:06:11 <Gottfried> zakim, take up item 2
16:06:12 <Zakim> agendum 2. "CfCs & Review Requests" taken up [from janina]
16:06:18 <Gottfried> zakim, take up item 1
16:06:18 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:07:16 <Gottfried> Janina: Follow-up with spec comments.  Judy will join later in the call.
16:07:50 <Gottfried> Janina: Will forward a comment that i got.
16:08:17 <Gottfried> ... This relates to agenda item 8.
16:08:31 <JF> agenda?
16:09:05 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
16:09:05 <Zakim> agendum 2. "CfCs & Review Requests" taken up [from janina]
16:09:29 <Gottfried> Gottfried: ISO/IEC 24752-8 is now under DIS vote. https://www.iso.org/standard/70272.html?browse=tc
16:10:17 <Gottfried> ... It specifies a REST interface for context services: user-context, task-context, equipment-context, environment-context.  Also for matching with resources (match-maker).
16:10:17 <MichaelC> s/agendum 2. "CfCs & Review Requests" taken up [from janina]//
16:10:23 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:10:23 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Gottfried
16:10:30 <Gottfried> zakim, open item 2
16:10:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "CfCs & Review Requests" taken up [from janina]
16:10:40 <janina> COGA Pre-CfC Call for Review:
16:10:40 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Mar/0017.html
16:10:40 <janina> TV Remote Control:
16:10:40 <janina> Comment Sent:   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Mar/0019.html
16:10:41 <janina> Decision:       http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Mar/0018.html
16:10:42 <janina> Payments Community Group:
16:10:45 <janina> Decision:       http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Mar/0016.html
16:12:07 <Gottfried> Janina: Are there any burning issues with the COGA doc? - Speak up now.
16:12:24 <Gottfried> ... Similar request from AGWG (former WCAG WG).
16:13:38 <Gottfried> zakim, open item 4
16:13:38 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Community Groups Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups" taken up [from janina]
16:14:50 <Gottfried> Michael: If people want to accept my recommendations about where to look at...
16:15:28 <Gottfried> Janina: No objections except for music notation - put me on as an observer
16:15:49 <Gottfried> ... Emering spec supposed to supercede MusicXML.  Now collecting use cases and requirements.
16:16:04 <Gottfried> ... Working title: Music Notation XML = MNX
16:16:10 <Gottfried> Michael: Let's add it to our active list.
16:16:40 <Gottfried> s/active/track
16:17:18 <Gottfried> Janina: Comments on Michael's yesses and nos?
16:17:26 <Gottfried> John: Only half through.
16:17:36 <Gottfried> Gottfried: Didn't get to read the list.
16:18:06 <Gottfried> Community Group: Web We Can Afford, https://www.w3.org/community/wwca/
16:18:51 <Gottfried> Michael: Academic group. Environmental issues. Energy efficiency. It is about designing the web that works for the people.
16:19:00 <Gottfried> Janina: Sounds no to me.
16:19:18 <Gottfried> WebVR: separate agenda item
16:19:29 <Gottfried> Blockchain, https://www.w3.org/community/blockchain/
16:19:47 <Gottfried> Michael: We should observe this - technology could support accessibility
16:20:25 <Gottfried> ... Blockchain group and payment group related, but separate groups
16:21:20 <Gottfried> ... I feel we should track it, but i don't have the technical expertise
16:21:58 <Gottfried> Janina: We should keep it on the list.  We will get use cases out of payment.
16:22:07 <Gottfried> Michael: There are meeting minutes, and a workshop report.
16:22:39 <Gottfried> Janina: We can go to WAI-IG for monitoring
16:22:58 <Gottfried> s/go to/ask
16:23:22 <Gottfried> Getting Math onto Web Pages, https://www.w3.org/community/mathonwebpages/
16:23:33 <Gottfried> Janina: We care about this
16:24:24 <Gottfried> John: People with a11y expertise are already on the member list
16:24:48 <Gottfried> Michael: If this group is not on the track list, we would not report about it
16:25:14 <Gottfried> Janina: Let's wait what happens with WAI-IG.  Keep it on the active track for now.
16:25:31 <Gottfried> Voice Interaction, https://www.w3.org/community/voiceinteraction/
16:26:25 <Gottfried> Janina: We should follow this.  Lisa is probably interested.  If it becomes its own way for voice interaction, could be an issue for the deaf and hoh community.
16:27:07 <Gottfried> Accessible Playlist, https://www.w3.org/community/playlist-a11y/
16:27:13 <Gottfried> Michael: Interesting, but seems dead.
16:27:23 <Gottfried> Janina: If it is dead, no.
16:27:36 <Gottfried> Licensed content, https://www.w3.org/community/licensed-content/
16:28:02 <Gottfried> John: We should revisit this in 6-months time.  Interesting, but too early.
16:28:30 <Gottfried> Janina: Let's finish this list next week, and talk with Katie.
16:28:33 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:28:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "CfCs & Review Requests" taken up [from janina]
16:28:46 <Gottfried> zakim, open item 5
16:28:46 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:28:54 <Gottfried> action-2120?
16:28:54 <trackbot> action-2120 -- John Foliot to Review web publications use cases and requirements https://www.w3.org/tr/pwp-ucr/ -- due 2017-03-22 -- OPEN
16:28:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2120
16:29:07 <Gottfried> action-2116?
16:29:07 <trackbot> action-2116 -- John Foliot to Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and captions 1.0.1 (imsc1) https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1.0.1/ -- due 2017-03-22 -- OPEN
16:29:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2116
16:29:18 <Gottfried> action-2110?
16:29:18 <trackbot> action-2110 -- Léonie Watson to Move forward from rich's start re input events http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-apa/2016nov/0005.html due +2 weeks -- due 2017-02-08 -- CLOSED
16:29:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2110
16:29:27 <MichaelC> action-2116 due 1 week
16:29:27 <trackbot> Set action-2116 Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and captions 1.0.1 (imsc1) https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1.0.1/ due date to 2017-03-29.
16:29:38 <MichaelC> action-2120 due 1 week
16:29:38 <trackbot> Set action-2120 Review web publications use cases and requirements https://www.w3.org/tr/pwp-ucr/ due date to 2017-03-29.
16:30:23 <Gottfried> action-2112?
16:30:23 <trackbot> action-2112 -- Janina Sajka to Re-review push api https://w3c.github.io/push-api/ -- due 2017-03-22 -- OPEN
16:30:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2112
16:30:37 <Gottfried> Janina: Propose to take this to the payments cg
16:31:16 <Gottfried> ... We don't want an open door on push
16:31:34 <Gottfried> ... What levels of interruption are acceptable?
16:31:41 <Gottfried> Michael: We need to turn this into a comment
16:32:26 <Gottfried> Michael: Ted Drake may move this over to Github.
16:32:29 <Gottfried> action-2038?
16:32:29 <trackbot> action-2038 -- Michael Cooper to Raise [https://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/ credential management level 1] for re-review -- due 2017-03-16 -- OPEN
16:32:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2038
16:32:47 <MichaelC> action-2038 due 6 months
16:32:47 <trackbot> Set action-2038 Raise [https://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/ credential management level 1] for re-review due date to 2017-09-22.
16:32:50 <Gottfried> Michael: not re-published
16:33:21 <Gottfried> Michael: Rest is either a year old, or reponsible person is not here.
16:33:25 <Gottfried> zakim, open item 6
16:33:25 <Zakim> agendum 6. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:33:40 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/W3C_DOM_4.1 W3C DOM 4.1
16:34:24 <Gottfried> Michael: Probably killing unused features, not adding features.
16:34:53 <Gottfried> Janina: Shane had looked at this in the past.
16:35:15 <Gottfried> ... Can we ask him for review?
16:35:28 <Gottfried> John: Leonie is probably involved.
16:35:52 <Gottfried> Michael: In the change log there is something about mutation events.
16:36:13 <Gottfried> Janina: Enough reason to look at it.
16:36:31 <MichaelC> action: Shane to triage changelog of DOM 4.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/dom41/#historical-changes-fpwd-dom4 - note stuff on mutation
16:36:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2123 - Triage changelog of dom 4.1 https://www.w3.org/tr/dom41/#historical-changes-fpwd-dom4 - note stuff on mutation [on Shane McCarron - due 2017-03-29].
16:36:39 <MichaelC> action-2123: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/W3C_DOM_4.1
16:36:39 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2123 Triage changelog of dom 4.1 https://www.w3.org/tr/dom41/#historical-changes-fpwd-dom4 - note stuff on mutation.
16:36:50 <MichaelC> action-2123 due 1 month
16:36:50 <trackbot> Set action-2123 Triage changelog of dom 4.1 https://www.w3.org/tr/dom41/#historical-changes-fpwd-dom4 - note stuff on mutation due date to 2017-04-22.
16:36:55 <MichaelC> action-2123 due 4 weeks
16:36:55 <trackbot> Set action-2123 Triage changelog of dom 4.1 https://www.w3.org/tr/dom41/#historical-changes-fpwd-dom4 - note stuff on mutation due date to 2017-04-19.
16:37:03 <MichaelC> action-2123?
16:37:03 <trackbot> action-2123 -- Shane McCarron to Triage changelog of dom 4.1 https://www.w3.org/tr/dom41/#historical-changes-fpwd-dom4 - note stuff on mutation -- due 2017-04-19 -- OPEN
16:37:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2123
16:37:26 <Gottfried> Michael: Other specs are about input events.
16:37:40 <Gottfried> ... Don't know what level-1 and level-2 are and how they differ.
16:38:07 <Gottfried> Janina: I will respond to Johannes, asking for an explanation of level-1 vs. level-2.
16:38:16 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/input-events-1/ Input Events Level 1
16:38:20 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/input-events-2/ Input Events Level 2
16:38:56 <MichaelC> action: Janina to follow up with Johannes Wilm on Input Events 1 and 2 wrt our comments on Input Events non-leveled
16:38:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2124 - Follow up with johannes wilm on input events 1 and 2 wrt our comments on input events non-leveled [on Janina Sajka - due 2017-03-29].
16:39:12 <MichaelC> action-2124: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Input_Events_Level_1 and https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Input_Events_Level_2
16:39:12 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2124 Follow up with johannes wilm on input events 1 and 2 wrt our comments on input events non-leveled.
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16:39:20 <MichaelC> action-2124?
16:39:20 <trackbot> action-2124 -- Janina Sajka to Follow up with johannes wilm on input events 1 and 2 wrt our comments on input events non-leveled -- due 2017-03-29 -- OPEN
16:39:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2124
16:39:32 <Gottfried> Janina: Propose to put this off - since Leonie is not here.
16:39:52 <Gottfried> ... Joanie, can you look at the comments?
16:39:59 <Gottfried> Joanie: Okay
16:40:30 <Gottfried> zakim, open item 7
16:40:30 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Input Events Followup http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Mar/0013.html" taken up [from janina]
16:40:42 <Gottfried> topic: WebVR
16:41:08 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/webvr/ WebVR Community Group
16:41:08 <MichaelC> -> https://github.com/w3c/webvr/blob/master/explainer.md WebVR Explainer
16:41:08 <MichaelC> -> https://w3c.github.io/webvr/spec/latest/ WebVR proposed specification
16:41:14 <Gottfried> Michael: Dominic has brought this to my attention just this morning.
16:41:57 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/2016/06/vr-workshop/report.html WebVR workshop report
16:42:00 <Gottfried> ... Draft spec on WebVR Explainer (second link).
16:42:34 <Gottfried> Michael: A11y overlap. Review from APA requested, as transitioning from CG to TR track.
16:42:53 <Gottfried> ... Looking for people who could help in this.
16:43:11 <Gottfried> ... Also for interfacing between APA and the new group on WebVR.
16:43:17 <JF> Q+ to say I'd be interested in getting involved here
16:43:21 <Judy> Judy has joined #APA
16:43:25 <Gottfried> ... Call scheduled for a couple of week ahead.
16:44:07 <Gottfried> John: I am interested in getting involved in WebVR.
16:44:20 <Gottfried> Janina: We should put your name up on the cg.
16:44:22 <MichaelC> s/Call scheduled/Would like to schedule call/
16:44:53 <Gottfried> Judy: I had met with Charles LaPierre - would like to talk with you about this
16:45:12 <Gottfried> John: Interest related to video.
16:45:34 <Gottfried> Michael: Let's have the call first, and then figure out details.
16:45:44 <Gottfried> John: Just volunteering for this.
16:46:09 <Gottfried> Michael: Will aim for a joint call in a couple of weeks.
16:46:32 <Gottfried> Janina: Two calls pending: Personalization, and WebVR.  WebVR should probably go first.
16:47:00 <Gottfried> Janina: RQTF should know how they should be involved in personalization.
16:47:08 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:47:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/22-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:47:42 <Gottfried> zakim, open item 8
16:47:42 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Confirming results of tests of accessibility aspects of specs" taken up [from janina]
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16:48:30 <JF> ack JF
16:48:30 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to say I'd be interested in getting involved here
16:48:42 <Gottfried> Judy: This relates to the EME spec.
16:49:07 <janina>  /me We try to end on the hour
16:49:25 <Gottfried> ... Encrypted Media Extension (EME)
16:49:47 <Gottfried> ... This group has looked at it several times - brought up some specific questions.
16:50:12 <Gottfried> ... Accessibility issues include that this could block a11y.
16:50:35 <Gottfried> ... Testing shows that one can still access the captions, audio descriptions, etc.
16:50:51 <Gottfried> ... But this is not clearly described in public.
16:51:07 <Gottfried> ... RQTF has taken up two use cases from this spec.
16:51:28 <Gottfried> ... Philippe has done additional testing.
16:51:39 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/2017/03/eme-accessibility.html
16:51:44 <Gottfried> ... APA should be aware of what Philippe and i have written up.
16:52:18 <Gottfried> ... We want to have one good representation that is well findable and understandable.
16:52:42 <Gottfried> ... I want to add auto-generation of captions.
16:52:51 <janina> q+ to ask whether we should track as MAUR.Next issues?
16:52:53 <Gottfried> ... Does anybody have specific comments on this?
16:53:02 <Gottfried> ... No formal review, but informal feedback is appreciated.
16:53:28 <Gottfried> Janina: Would like to look at the write-up.
16:53:31 <JF> +1
16:53:38 <Gottfried> ... Could we track this under MAUR reviews?
16:53:38 <janina> ack ja
16:53:38 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask whether we should track as MAUR.Next issues?
16:54:15 <Gottfried> Judy: Often, we discover topics that could go into future specs.
16:54:30 <Gottfried> ... RQTF has taken up this
16:54:45 <Gottfried> Janina: Also use cases from web payments - when to allow or disallow notifications
16:54:53 <janina> q?
16:55:23 <Gottfried> John: Talked about daltonization before. It is one technique to address the problem, among others.
16:55:36 <plh> q+
16:55:37 <Gottfried> ... Would be interested to remain involved in this.
16:55:45 <Gottfried> Judy: Do you want RQTF for this topic?
16:55:52 <Gottfried> John: Yes, if that's the best way.
16:56:38 <Gottfried> Judy: The primary team contact for RQTF is Michael. Let him know.
16:57:04 <Gottfried> ... Take an informal look at our write-up, and send us your comments.
16:57:18 <janina> q?
16:57:22 <janina> ack plh
16:57:45 <Gottfried> Philippe: This is a web platform topic.
16:58:03 <Gottfried> ... Judy and i focused on daltonization and flash mitigation.
16:58:39 <Gottfried> ... I cannot generate the content for tests - not possible to change colors in today's video players.
16:58:50 <Gottfried> ... Need to keep captions track separate from the video.
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16:59:32 <Gottfried> ... Tests implemented
16:59:54 <janina> q?
16:59:56 <Gottfried> Judy: Philippe's tests work - i have seen them.
17:00:25 <Gottfried> ... Captions would be encrypted and then decrypted.
17:00:43 <Gottfried> ... Maybe we can cover more use cases.
17:00:51 <JF> Q+ to ask if we've solicited any technical help from folks from the EME group?
17:02:06 <Judy> q+
17:02:16 <JF> ack jf
17:02:16 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask if we've solicited any technical help from folks from the EME group?
17:02:18 <janina> scribe: janina
17:02:31 <janina> PLH: Had trouble even getting an encrypted caption video
17:02:39 <plh> s/video/track/
17:02:43 <janina> plh: The tools make that hard to do
17:04:27 <janina> zakim, bye
17:04:27 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, MichaelC, Léonie, JF
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17:04:34 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
17:04:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/22-apa-minutes.html janina
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18:59:17 <janina> topic APA Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 29 March at 16:00Z
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