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18:42:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:42:00 <trackbot> Date: 21 March 2017
18:42:13 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:43:12 <clown> agenda: this
18:43:22 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-738 (Bogdan) Verify or provide correct UIA mapping for role="heading".
18:43:31 <clown> agenda+ (All) Level of detail in UIA mappings.
18:43:51 <clown> agenda+ (Joseph, Joanie) Remove RELATION_POPUP_FOR from ATK/AT-SPI mappings of aria-haspopup
18:44:05 <clown> agenda+ GH-ISSUE-536 (Joseph, Joanie) Latest AXRoleDescription strings for roles alertdialog and dialog
18:44:21 <clown> agenda+ (Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing — weekly checkin.
18:44:29 <clown> agenda+ Triage actions/issues: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
18:44:57 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:45:32 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:45:39 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:45:47 <clown> agenda+ be done.
19:00:50 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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19:00:54 <joanie> scribe: joanie
19:01:00 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:02:46 <joanie> regrets: Bryan_Garaventa
19:02:56 <richardschwerdtfeger> present+ Rich_Schwerdfeger
19:05:40 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
19:05:40 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ISSUE-738 (Bogdan) Verify or provide correct UIA mapping for role="heading"." taken up [from clown]
19:05:55 <clown> issue-738?
19:05:55 <trackbot> issue-738 -- UIA mapping for heading incorrect -- closed
19:05:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/738
19:06:09 <joanie> JS: Cynthia asked a question about the heading role.
19:06:19 <joanie> JS: Bogdan provided a patch. I pulled it in.
19:06:23 <joanie> RS: Is it implemented?
19:06:38 <joanie> JS: I added a comment that it might not be implemented.
19:06:56 <joanie> JS: I closed the issue, but I realized this might be a 1.1 change.
19:07:09 <joanie> RS: Why if it's under the covers?
19:07:29 <joanie> JS: Before it just stated to map it to text.
19:07:59 <joanie> JS: But arguably, everything is 1.1. So I don't have to call it out then?
19:08:24 <joanie> JS: But if for UIA everything is 1.1, then we need tests for everything.
19:08:33 <joanie> RS: We don't have to do them all.
19:08:46 <joanie> RS: We just have to do what changed in 1.1.
19:08:57 <joanie> Zakim, next item.
19:08:57 <Zakim> agendum 2. "(All) Level of detail in UIA mappings." taken up [from clown]
19:09:25 <joanie> JS: We have a general request from Microsoft to put greater detail in the Core AAM.
19:09:34 <joanie> JS: This request was made off-list.
19:09:59 <joanie> JS: The last thing I heard from Bogdan was that he was willing to do the work.
19:10:24 <joanie> JS: I suggested to Bogdan that he write a paragraph explaining the default interface should be assumed.
19:10:39 <joanie> JS: Rather than repeating it everywhere throughout the spec.
19:11:26 <joanie> JS: He is also going to provide some text explaining current versus cached.
19:11:47 <joanie> RS: But what are we going to do for the ATTA?
19:12:27 <joanie> JS: I think we agreed that we'd use cached, but Joanie is concerned about potential ATTA/harness timeouts should the calculation not come back sufficiently fast.
19:12:39 <joanie> RS: So the ATTA developers will need to handle that.
19:12:57 <joanie> JS: Also, Bogdan indicated that he'd do the work, but not when he'd have it done by.
19:13:20 <joanie> JS: But this area is progressing and is no longer stalled.
19:13:37 <joanie> JS: I guess I should ask Bogdan when he thinks he'll have it done by.
19:14:43 <joanie> RS: Joanie, will we have an ATTA for UIA done in the near future?
19:15:07 <joanie> JD: I'm not sure.
19:16:34 <joanie> RS: I would like to have an ETA for ATTAs next week.
19:17:56 <joanie> JD: <mutters something about regressions Apple introduced to accessibility of WebKitGtk which she has to focus on now>
19:23:41 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:23:41 <Zakim> agendum 3. "(Joseph, Joanie) Remove RELATION_POPUP_FOR from ATK/AT-SPI mappings of aria-haspopup" taken up [from clown]
19:24:22 <joanie> JS: This is a pull request that Joanie put out about a week ago.
19:24:46 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/537
19:24:56 <joanie> JS: There's a RELATION_POPUP_FOR in ATK/AT-SPI, but there's nothing in the spec that allows the user agent to implement it.
19:25:07 <joanie> JS: I had a couple of very small comments.
19:25:09 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/537#pullrequestreview-27926175
19:25:20 <joanie> JS: One was wording in the ChangeLog
19:31:56 <joanie> JD: <explains her rationale for using "undid" rather than "removed">
19:32:08 <joanie> JS: Ok, that's fine. I will pull this in later in the week.
19:32:13 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:32:13 <Zakim> agendum 4. "GH-ISSUE-536 (Joseph, Joanie) Latest AXRoleDescription strings for roles alertdialog and dialog" taken up [from clown]
19:32:41 <joanie> JS: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/536
19:32:55 <joanie> JS: This is something Joanie discovered.
19:33:05 <joanie> JS: AXRoleDescription for alertdialog is now "web alert dialog"
19:33:12 <joanie> JS: AXRoleDescription for dialog is now "web dialog"
19:33:42 <joanie> JS: I pulled it in and told Joanie that she could close it if she thinks it's complete.
19:33:47 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-alertdialog
19:34:45 <joanie> JD: I can close it, but I'm not signed in and two-step authentication means I need to get a code on my phone, and I'm scribing....
19:34:58 <joanie> JS: I can sign in and close it.
19:35:20 <joanie> JS: Done
19:36:07 <joanie> Topic: Joseph post-ARIA 1.1
19:38:02 <joanie> RS: Joseph's employer wants to phase Joseph out his work in ARIA.
19:38:14 <joanie> RS: Because they want him to work on other things.
19:38:55 <joanie> RS: Being out before 1.1 CR is going to be problematic.
19:39:15 <joanie> JS: What they want is a transition plan.
19:39:41 <joanie> RS: We don't have the resources right now, especially during the CR process.
19:39:51 <joanie> RS: I don't know who is going to own it after 1.1.
19:43:59 <joanie> JD: I'm willing to take on the Core AAM editorship, but NOT until 1.1 is done.
19:44:08 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
19:44:37 <clown> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
19:44:39 <joanie> JD: I'm behind on ATTA work, I have implementations to do in WebKitGtk, I have regressions introduced by others I have to debug and fix....
19:45:40 <joanie> JD: However, I think I actually know more about the mappings and implementation than I do the authoring (hence my lousy examples in the ARIA spec.) ;)
19:46:58 <joanie> JD: So given that the ARIA spec practice has been for people to make branches which I merge after consensus has been reached, I think I can take on the Core AAM (after 1.1).
19:48:39 <joanie> Group: (Discussion about Tracker versus Github)
19:49:57 <joanie> Phillipe
19:50:07 <joanie> s/Phillipe//
19:54:40 <joanie> RS: Let's say we finish these issues in github that are for 1.1.
20:04:37 <joanie> RS: Joseph, you can tell your employer that we will try to phase you out and phase Joanie in.
20:04:56 <joanie> RS: The exact timeline remains to be determined.
20:05:17 <joanie> action-2117
20:05:17 <trackbot> action-2117 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Update core-aam to not expose aria-details relationships that reference elements that are hidden. -- due 2016-09-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
20:05:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2117
20:05:48 <joanie> RS: You showed that one to us.
20:05:52 <joanie> JS: Yes I did.
20:05:56 <joanie> RS: Close it.
20:06:05 <joanie> RS: Now you only have nine.
20:08:12 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
20:08:17 <joanie> JS: There's also the AccName spec.
20:08:37 <joanie> JD: (only half-joking) Wait, a minute....
20:09:00 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/26
20:09:04 <joanie> RS + JS: That used to be part of the Core AAM, but was pulled out to be referenced by other specs.
20:09:47 <joanie> JS: Somebody and some point moved a bunch of items from the ARIA tracker to AccName without any explanation.
20:10:24 <joanie> JS: Also Cynthia raised a number of issues because Microsoft was having trouble implementing it and needed more information.
20:12:08 <joanie> JS: Cynthia wanted a list, specific to SVG. But that doesn't belong in the AccName because that is host-language independent.
20:13:27 <joanie> Zakim, part
20:13:27 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdfeger
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