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18:33:14 <janina> present+
18:33:23 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
18:33:52 <Judy> agenda?
18:33:55 <Judy> agenda+ Confirm scribe, agenda
18:33:55 <Judy> agenda+ AGWG FPWD: which groups are reviewing and by when?
18:33:55 <Judy> agenda+ Feedback, info, themes from CSUN 2017?
18:33:55 <Judy> agenda+ ARIA Module on Personalization
18:33:55 <Judy> agenda+ Cross-platform API in incubation
18:33:56 <Judy> agenda+ Update on Tools accessibility
18:33:58 <Judy> agenda+ Update on Silver?
18:34:00 <Judy> agenda+ Further thoughts on upcoming EOWG extension and/or rechartering?
18:34:02 <Judy> agenda+ WAI Roadmap development: areas for input; approaches; what would help others understand your area of work
18:34:05 <Judy> agenda+ Announcements, topics, reviews for WAI IG?
18:34:08 <Judy> agenda+ Any other business?
18:34:41 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
18:34:41 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Joanmarie_Diggs
18:35:07 <Judy> agenda+ Update up on digital publishing kickoff
18:35:27 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
18:35:27 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Joanmarie_Diggs
18:35:32 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
18:35:32 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose janina
18:35:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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18:36:12 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:36:12 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Confirm scribe, agenda" taken up [from Judy]
18:36:25 <George> OK, George is starting to scribe.
18:36:28 <Judy> zakim, close item 1
18:36:28 <Zakim> agendum 1, Confirm scribe, agenda, closed
18:36:29 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:36:29 <Zakim> 2. AGWG FPWD: which groups are reviewing and by when? [from Judy]
18:36:32 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:36:32 <Zakim> agendum 2. "AGWG FPWD: which groups are reviewing and by when?" taken up [from Judy]
18:36:36 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
18:37:05 <jeanne> present+ jeanne
18:37:06 <George> jd: Welcome Katie and rich
18:37:24 <joanie> s/jd/jb/
18:37:25 <MichaelC> present+
18:37:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> present+
18:37:48 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/blog/2017/02/wcag21-fpwd/
18:38:00 <MichaelC> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2017JanMar/0277.html
18:38:14 <George> jd: Congrats to Michele in getting 2.1 out in feb which was the goal.
18:38:31 <joanie> s/jd/jb/
18:38:32 <MichaelC> s/Michele/Michael/
18:39:06 <George> jB: We are trying to get 2.1 completed quickly, so relevant groups should  review and get it in their schedule
18:40:16 <George> MC: we need to finish tech work by end of year and then the issues can be addressed. We need to see what 2.1 will look line before deciding if a 2.12 is needed.
18:40:43 <George> JB: questions
18:41:00 <janina> s/2.12/2.2/
18:41:04 <George> JS: whohoo
18:41:15 <shadi> s/JS/SAZ
18:41:39 <George> MC: this first version has stuff that was not fully veted and these are expecially likely to change.
18:42:02 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
18:42:25 <George> AK: about 60 issues have come in, from github
18:42:43 <George> MC: 82 open issue and perhaps 30 comments
18:43:10 <Ryladog> what is the link to the Github WCAG 2.1 issues/comments?
18:43:34 <George> LS: There probably any feedback from COGA. It is too complicated to comment on.
18:43:59 <MichaelC> q+ to say we shouldn´t view ¨the coga sc¨
18:44:18 <George> LS: We need to pull out COGA andgive the community something they can read that does not invlove as much reading.
18:44:34 <Judy> q+
18:44:41 <MichaelC> ack l
18:44:41 <Judy> ack l
18:45:05 <George> LS:Hopefully we can get some feed back after we finish this document that pulls out relevant items.
18:45:10 <Judy> s/veted/vetted/
18:45:20 <MichaelC> ack me
18:45:20 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say we shouldn´t view ¨the coga sc¨
18:46:12 <George> MC: when we say pulling out success criteria. Pay attendion to the extraction of the COGA success criteria items.
18:46:40 <George> MC: it was not clear to me that you were extracting a subset. Be careful.
18:46:54 <MichaelC> ack j
18:47:43 <Lisa_Seeman> the link to what we are doing is at : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NBjIZgCRNRXbdC1xtrYu9vMwgEEpGDSLDZ_5IcpN0zw/edit?usp=sharing
18:47:56 <George> JB: Offering an idea. We have done something like this in the past with WCAG 1 were people were not accustom to integrating. Deaf and hard of hearing and also with SMIL and UAG. It can be helpful to get a highlighted view.
18:48:25 <George> JB: MC and AK are concerned and people can focus their time on the relevant sections.
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18:49:32 <George> LS: Lisa posted a link and if people can make comments or add something. There are links to the official version and  We tryied to send out the whole document. People looked at it and were intimidated.
18:50:26 <George> JB: We did something in the past with AT vendors who would not read the whole document. The caused event could bring in comments.
18:50:52 <George> MC End of March is when comments should get in. It is a line in the samd.
18:51:11 <George> JB: we want the intersection of issues correct.
18:51:34 <Judy> s/MC/MC:/
18:51:48 <George> AK: I think it has been difficult for any task force to feel like they are up to speed on other task forces.
18:52:17 <George> AK: We are finding that there is alignment between one or another.
18:53:05 <George> Kathy: there is a lot of email going around. we are struggling to review of the materials.
18:53:52 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
18:54:07 <George> JB: good opp to run in advance of this milestone. Get practice in making comments between the irritations. I will asume you are on top of that.
18:55:06 <AWK> q+
18:55:24 <George> LS: it might be worth holding a call educational calls so people can understand the user needs of the different groups. 2 or three calls that could be recorded.
18:55:38 <Kim> +1
18:55:55 <Judy> q+
18:55:58 <Judy> ack l
18:56:08 <George> LS:This could give people a better feel for the topic. Lisa would love to know more about the other task forces.
18:56:29 <Judy> s/for the topic/for the COGA topic/
18:57:00 <George> AK: perhaps scheduling an additional call on Thursdays to give people more time to get into the depths of the proposals. Everybody is feeling strapped for time.
18:58:19 <George> JB: Thank you anddrew. In the past there were objections about Cognative and learning and it went well beyond
18:58:38 <Lisa_Seeman> Any time!
18:58:41 <George> JB: Lisa thank you for offering an educational opp.
19:00:26 <George> GK: AI to get the document in front of EPUB CG and ask for comments.
19:00:42 <George> RS: we are swamped.
19:01:13 <George> JS: we decided not to take it on as a formal review. There are plenta of APA folks involved in the review.
19:01:36 <George> JB: I am worried at CSUN were not going to look at it at this point.
19:02:08 <George> JB: We are at a time when haveing reviews at a later date would lead to unexpected results.
19:02:50 <Judy> agenda?
19:02:59 <George> Takeup next item
19:03:09 <jeanne> zakim, take up next item
19:03:09 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jeanne
19:03:15 <Ryladog> Can you not hear me? Did you mute me?
19:03:16 <jeanne> q?
19:03:32 <jeanne> ack AWK
19:03:36 <jeanne> Ack Ju
19:03:43 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
19:03:43 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Feedback, info, themes from CSUN 2017?" taken up [from Judy]
19:03:44 <George> JB: is there anything  that people want to say about CSUN
19:04:09 <George> JB: what should we be doing corridinating with. Relevant items with other groups.
19:04:28 <George> KS: Not igmoring you. mic problem.
19:04:42 <Judy> s/igmoring/ignoring/
19:05:21 <George> KS: One thing, I did not send to WAI-IG. They did not get the announcements oops. Katie will do it.
19:05:56 <George> JB: Michael, do you know what happened.
19:06:12 <George> JB: it dd go out to the IG.
19:06:24 <MichaelC> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2017JanMar/0277.html
19:06:37 <George> JB: went out Feb 28 and fine for that to come from staff.
19:07:16 <George> JB: please coordinate with Michael on a follow up
19:07:55 <jeanne> scribe: jeanne
19:08:41 <janina> wai-ig announcement of wcag 2.1 at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2017JanMar/0277.html
19:08:42 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
19:08:42 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ARIA Module on Personalization" taken up [from Judy]
19:09:33 <MichaelC> -> https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/ Personalization Semantics editors´ draft
19:10:08 <jeanne> JB: New item from the ARIA group.  The topic of Personalization has come up over and over again in WAI. Prior efforts have never materialized.
19:10:24 <jeanne> ... there may be a formal announcements
19:11:00 <jeanne> MC: It started in COGA as a result of the Gap Analysis.  It went to ARIA where it did not have a lot of progress.
19:11:34 <jeanne> ... It is important to some of the proposed success criteria in WCAG 2.1, so it has been put on a faster track
19:11:55 <Judy> s/never materialized/never materialized, but if we bring it to more people's attention, along with a clear focal point, perhaps things will be different this time.
19:12:03 <George> George can take the minutes back.
19:12:04 <jeanne> LS:  I am coordinating with Adam @@ and the Low Vision Accessibility Task Force
19:12:21 <jeanne> ... that may increase it's scope in WAI.
19:12:39 <jeanne> ... it can address issues for other user groups
19:12:53 <jeanne> ... I'm hoping it will be powerful beyond it's starting point
19:12:59 <George> LS: the personalization can also help people outside wai.
19:13:07 <Judy> s/Adam @@/Madeleine Rothberg/
19:13:10 <George> JB: other questions or comments?
19:13:19 <jeanne> scribe: George
19:13:47 <George> MC: announced when first draft published in about a month from now.
19:14:08 <Judy> agenda?
19:14:14 <George> JB: Should we be engaging people in theformative stage.
19:14:45 <George> MC: we need to manage people's expetation, but no issue with letting people know about it.
19:15:22 <George> JB: interested in recruiting -- err on the side of lettingpeople know.
19:16:24 <George> zakom,next item
19:16:33 <Judy> zakim, next item
19:16:33 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Cross-platform API in incubation" taken up [from Judy]
19:17:25 <George> JB: missing a URI that I need in the web incubation group. if somebody could help me out.
19:18:58 <George> JB there has been a series of efforts over several decades to  get AT and OS on developing an API for testing for cross platform compatibility Browser venders are moving this into a community group space.
19:19:49 <George> JB: many benefits for people with disabilities and mainstream developers. Judy is passing on the news. Michael or Janina, do you have links you can drop in.
19:20:27 <George> M: Wickid Witch group? Are brooms used instead of URL?
19:20:54 <George> JB: JB pleas watch that spact.
19:21:05 <Judy>  WICG Web Incubator Community Group
19:21:12 <George> fzakom, next item
19:21:17 <Judy> zakim, next item
19:21:17 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Update on Tools accessibility" taken up [from Judy]
19:21:20 <Lisa_Seeman> ahhh
19:22:02 <George> jb: Update on tools accessibility
19:22:33 <George> JB a month ago we had a visit from Hhilippe l who is responsible to make the tools more accessible.
19:23:10 <George> JB: we had bugs submitted includa the COGA group. Michael has tried to move the comments into more fixes in to the tools.
19:23:35 <George> JB: PL may join us in two weeks to help move this along. Michael, can you update?
19:23:44 <jeanne> s/Hhilippe l/Philippe Le Hégaret
19:24:53 <George> MC: I have been asked to say the issues. Michael is putting issues in a team space wiki. A lot of the issues comes down to documentation. There are accessibility issues including complexity.
19:25:23 <George> MC: So far the tool we have heard concerns with github, IRC, and more.
19:26:04 <George> JB: we don't directly controls. Regarding tools that are not W3C. We need to manage expetations.
19:26:23 <MichaelC> -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bxhXLpsqIy5p6zZHxlsSvjmhUjFqSFGCgE4eelRJxH8/edit#heading=h.kw1d4aqravna Cognitive A11Y TF notes taken by Lisa
19:26:24 <George> JB: communicate directly with the tool owners to address accessibility bugs.
19:27:19 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
19:27:32 <George> JB: there may be work arounds that we might do.Media Wiki and problems come up. issues with low vision where there are specific with magnified text which could mess up the whole page.
19:27:41 <Judy> agenda?
19:28:01 <George> JB: Michale did you capture this?MC: I have not captured media wiki issues.
19:28:34 <George> MC: I am trying to consolidate the issues coming from a variety of places.
19:29:24 <George> LS: I was talking to a guy on wikimedia. Lost the German team on SKYPE, but lost them. Will try to find them.
19:30:02 <George> JB can point developers to guidelines to help them. Michael will webx to the issues page.
19:30:30 <Judy> agenda order is 7, 12
19:31:04 <George> zakim, next item
19:31:04 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, George
19:31:12 <Judy> q?
19:31:14 <Judy> ack l
19:31:42 <George> zakim, next item
19:31:42 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Update on Silver?" taken up [from Judy]
19:32:05 <George> JB: Gene, presentations on Silver
19:32:13 <Judy> s/Gene/Jeanne/
19:32:33 <George> JS: two well attended sessions and one lightening talk during the evening.
19:33:09 <George> JS: we have completed our well a working draft of stake holders draft and identified 30 groups that can use wcag.
19:33:36 <George> GK: insert your notes here.
19:34:49 <George> JB:Thank you. that was great. Getting a draft of the research questions to this group would be good.
19:34:57 <jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Research_Projects
19:35:23 <George> JB:I was  curious
19:35:49 <George> JB: it sounded like the focus was shifting to useability
19:36:01 <George> JB: has there been a shift
19:36:20 <George> JS: at the moment we are looking atuseability.
19:36:39 <George> JS: we are looking at an expanding scope that we can plug in.
19:37:08 <George> JB: some people did not understand what joinig a stakholders list, but happy
19:37:16 <George> zakim, next item
19:37:16 <Zakim> agendum 12. "Update up on digital publishing kickoff" taken up [from Judy]
19:37:17 <jeanne> scribe: jeanne
19:38:25 <jeanne> GK: Interesting week.  @@ Lab in Belgium had an ePub summit.  Days of presentations on the uptake of ePub around the world.  May become an annual event
19:38:51 <jeanne> ... March 13 was a meeting with Board of Directors, Business  PUblishing Group and others.
19:39:11 <jeanne> ... ePub Community Group for ePub 3 for future development
19:39:26 <jeanne> ... may include ePub Accessiiblity 1.1
19:39:52 <jeanne> ... they will be at TPAC on the last two days 8 & 9 November - 2 day publishing summit
19:40:07 <jeanne> ... this may attract people beyond the usual TPAC attendees.
19:40:13 <jeanne> ... very good kickoff.
19:40:53 <Ryladog> q+
19:40:55 <jeanne> JB: We had a recent merger between W3C and IDPF. We are in a phase where we are trying to better coordinate the work.
19:41:27 <jeanne> ... If there are opportunities to work more closely in this area, this is a good arena to address them.
19:41:47 <jeanne> KR: Will that be post-TPAC or during the TPAC.
19:42:03 <jeanne> GK: It will be the last two days
19:42:29 <jeanne> ... Bill @@ was the director of IDPF, and he is now the W3C Staff Contact
19:42:43 <jeanne> ... The meeting was also attended by Ivan Herman and Karen Myers
19:43:02 <Judy> agenda?
19:43:15 <jeanne> JB: I don't think we announced it in the WAI-IG, so it might be a good idea to make an announcement on WAI-IG
19:43:48 <Judy> s/WAI-IG/WAI-IG after Bill George and I sync up, which we need schedule/
19:43:50 <jeanne> GK:  We also are looking for people to test our reading systems testing methodology, and it would be good to announce that on WAI-IG.
19:44:04 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
19:44:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/15-waicc-minutes.html jeanne
19:44:45 <jeanne> Next meeting is 29 March
19:45:05 <George> JB: next call is March 29 at same time
19:45:10 <Judy> ack R
19:45:24 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
19:45:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/15-waicc-minutes.html jeanne
19:45:34 <George> JB: thank you everybody
19:48:06 <jeanne> rrsagent, make logs public
19:49:45 <jeanne> meeting: WAI CC
19:49:50 <jeanne> chair: Judy
19:49:55 <jeanne> regrets: Wilco
19:50:40 <jeanne> s/attendion /attention
19:51:12 <jeanne> s/zakom,next item//
19:51:27 <jeanne> s/fzakom, next item//
19:52:11 <jeanne> s/Michael will webx to the/Michael will add WebEx to the
19:53:49 <jeanne> s/we have completed our well a working draft of stake holders draft and identified 30 groups that can use wcag/we have completed a working draft of stake holders map and identified 30 roles or occupations that use wcag and mapped that to how they use it
19:56:00 <jeanne> s/insert your notes here./350 people have nominated or self-nominated as stakeholders.  We have 29 researchers who have expressed interest, of which 5 have selected their project.  We have a list of research questions. We have started a Community Group for the researchers and will be encouraging researchers to sign up next week.
19:56:07 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
19:56:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/15-waicc-minutes.html jeanne