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12:28:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
12:28:23 <trackbot> Date: 13 March 2017
12:29:12 <renato> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170313
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12:29:21 <renato> Chair: Ben
12:29:34 <renato> present+ renato
12:29:42 <renato> Regrets: Ivan, Serena, Victor
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12:29:55 <michaelS> present+
12:31:51 <CarolineB> present+ CarolineB
12:33:15 <phila> present+
12:33:21 <benws17> present+
12:33:36 <phila> scribe: Phil
12:33:41 <phila> scribeNick: phila
12:33:55 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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12:34:20 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170313
12:34:23 <phila> Chair: Ben
12:34:33 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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12:35:22 <phila> Topic: Preliminaries
12:35:31 <phila> benws17: Any objection to last week's minutes?
12:35:35 <phila> NOTUC
12:36:03 <phila> RESOLUTION: Minutes of 6 March approved
12:36:18 <phila> Topic: Deliverables review
12:36:23 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables
12:36:37 <phila> renato: That page lists wide review recipients so far
12:36:47 <phila> ... Most are done. A couple still to do
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12:37:18 <phila> renato: Last week or so, someone said they'd contact the AC review members who said they'd support the WG
12:37:21 <simonstey> regrets+ Sabrina
12:37:30 <phila> benws17: Yes, I did, I'll do that in the comings days.
12:37:38 <phila> renato: It's on track. Phil has some to do
12:37:51 <phila> phila: Red faced. Have done one just now, will complete today
12:38:16 <phila> renato: For horizontal review
12:38:27 <phila> phila: Will handle a11l as promised
12:38:38 <phila> s/a11l/a11y/
12:38:48 <phila> renato: They'll look at a11y of the spec itself
12:39:07 <renato> https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/114
12:39:13 <phila> ... There's a GH issue for this. There are some places where we used bold cf strong, so I have a GH job for that
12:39:18 <phila> ... And I have a URL for a checker
12:39:24 <phila> ... SO we can do that for the 2 main specs
12:39:40 <phila> ... Next on the list is i18n
12:39:52 <phila> ... Brian was tasked to do that and did send a mail to the lis
12:40:07 <phila> ... He sent a PDF attachment
12:40:10 <renato> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poe-wg/2017Mar/0009.html
12:40:27 <phila> renato: The PDF there is where he tried to click the checkboxes relevant to our area
12:40:36 <phila> ... He got N/A for a number of them
12:40:45 <phila> ... Some aren't checked. Not sure what that means
12:41:00 <phila> benws17: I can loop back with Brain later
12:41:12 <phila> q+ to make a realisation
12:41:55 <phila> q-
12:42:39 <renato> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poe-comments/2017Mar/0005.html
12:42:52 <phila> renato: Next horizontal review was security. I sent the mail
12:43:00 <phila> ... I answered most of their questions with 'no.'
12:43:13 <phila> ... Except that we do have a p and s section
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12:43:20 <phila> ... No response as yet
12:43:35 <phila> renato: Next was privacy.
12:43:41 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Privacy_Considerations
12:43:45 <phila> ... I have a draft wiki page answering the questions
12:43:53 <phila> ... I'll send that to the privacy IG
12:44:01 <phila> ... They have 13 questions.
12:44:22 <phila> ... We don't currently have a Privacy considerations section but I think we should have.
12:44:31 <phila> ... I've suggested how the section could be worded
12:44:53 <phila> ... This is just to make implementers aware of the issue
12:45:46 <benws17> q?
12:45:57 <phila> renato: I think we can make it clear that the text will be there. The other questions are mostly answered with no.
12:46:28 <phila> ... No 6 asks if data could be faked. Well, yes it can, so you have to trust the parties involved but that's out of scope for us.
12:46:38 <phila> benws17: It's a genuine issue - for others to solve.
12:46:59 <phila> renato: I can send that off to the privacy IG as with the security folks
12:47:10 <phila> Topic: Notes
12:47:19 <phila> benws17: Is simonstey here?
12:47:30 <benws17> Simon - are you out there? Are you calling in?
12:47:34 <phila> benws17: Formal semantics and Primer
12:47:43 <phila> s/Primer/Best Practices/
12:48:00 <benws17> Can you call in and talk to the formal semantics?
12:48:36 <phila> benws17: I'll talk about the best practices. I'm going to start work on it soon.
12:48:53 <phila> ... I've been working on profiles for specific industries, esp. financial markets
12:48:56 <renato> ODRL Best Practices: http://w3c.github.io/poe/bp/
12:48:58 <phila> ... Those licences are complex
12:49:13 <phila> benws17: They push the expressivity of ODRL quite hard
12:49:30 <phila> ... Victor will, I hope, include some egs from standard licences and how to express those.
12:49:38 <phila> ... What we need are more examples
12:49:53 <phila> ... I'll write to the CG and ask for these.
12:50:10 <phila> benws17: We need feedback from the community about whether these are indeed BPs
12:50:20 <simonstey_> simonstey_: we started to go through other FS notes
12:50:24 <phila> ... I'd expect to start working on that next week
12:50:27 <phila> q+
12:50:39 <phila> benws17: I'll try and hook up with victor
12:50:42 <phila> ack me
12:51:06 <phila> phila: So the BP doc will include things like CC-BY?
12:51:17 <phila> benws17: Yes, I hope Victor will provide that.
12:51:20 <simonstey_> simonstey_: I raised/reopened some issues regarding the infomodel
12:51:44 <phila> benws17: The doc isn't about those licences, it's about how you express the issues that come up in those licences
12:52:05 <phila> renato: Paul Jessop is down as a co-editor, but we've not heard from him since Lisbon.
12:52:15 <phila> .. I can drop him an e-mail to see if he's still interested.
12:52:19 <phila> benws17: Please cc me
12:52:29 <phila> ... he may have examples from music and film
12:52:41 <simonstey_> simonstey_: we'll have a first draft of the formal semantics note for our next f2f meeting
12:53:00 <phila> renato: I think James B might also be worth asking
12:53:23 <renato> thanks simon!
12:53:37 <phila> CarolineB: If he's allowed to, memebrship wise
12:54:06 <phila> phila: Yes, Catapult has lapsed (and he's left anyway) but don't that let that stop us asking James
12:54:20 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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12:54:23 <CarolineB> *me he could com ein under our membership?
12:55:26 <phila> benws17: Contracting parties often come up in agreements
12:55:38 <phila> renato: That's in the GH repo as an issue
12:55:52 <simonstey_> present+
12:55:55 <phila> benws17: I think we have versioning covered but I guess I should write some use cases to make sure
12:56:03 <phila> ... Victor did provide an eg
12:56:11 <phila> ... but it doesn't have the same semantics
12:56:11 <renato> Party roles (action 20) https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/110
12:56:27 <phila> benws17: We do need a kind of regulatory policy
12:56:43 <phila> renato: I think Serena has proposed a regulation policy type
12:57:03 <simonstey_> simonstey_: we are working on representing the gdpr in ODRL
12:57:25 <simonstey_> ... and as such derive req for regulatory policy type
12:57:34 <renato> s/Serena/Sabrina/
12:57:37 <phila> ... 20, 23, 25, 28 and 38 can all be closed in tracker
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12:58:41 <phila> Topic: London F2F
12:58:52 <phila> benws17: We need to know who's coming, details, hotels etc.
12:59:11 <phila> renato: There's the logistics etc.
12:59:38 <phila> phila: We need wi-fi for remote participation
12:59:58 <phila> phila: Is TR offering tea and coffee
13:00:23 <phila> phila: There's no obligation to provide lunch but it's nice if you do.
13:00:36 <phila> benws17: I assume we'll provide sandwiches
13:01:39 <renato> https://iptc.org/events/spring-meeting-2017/
13:01:42 <phila> phila: I'm doping a talk organised by Bill K on the Wednesday
13:01:45 <phila> michaelS: IPTC?
13:01:48 <phila> phila: Sounds right
13:01:57 <phila> benws17: And there's a thing on Monday that I'm at
13:02:03 <phila> ... at the BBC
13:02:17 <michaelS> https://iptc.org/events/spring-meeting-2017/
13:03:15 <phila> benws17: Lots of interesting people in London that week, so how big will the room need to be.
13:03:24 <phila> ... 15 people?
13:03:37 <phila> renato: I think that'll be pushing it. In Lisbon we had about 8
13:03:52 <phila> ... A room that holds 10 will be enough
13:04:12 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:London2017
13:05:55 <phila> phila: It's not unreasonable to insist that people declare whether they're going to be there or not.
13:06:19 <phila> Topic: AOB?
13:06:31 <phila> [None]
13:06:45 <phila> renato: So what is next week's agenda?
13:07:42 <simonstey_> simonstey_: everyone has a look at open issues & reads through the spec?
13:08:09 <renato> https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues
13:08:18 <phila> phila: Asks about issues open at the moment
13:09:19 <phila> renato: The plan is that the open issues will be closed during the F2F
13:09:37 <phila> phila: So you're not planning to go to CR until after F2F?
13:09:41 <phila> renato: That's the plan
13:09:57 <simonstey_> simonstey_: I would object to this
13:10:25 <phila> benws17: I think it will be 2 weeks before BP doc is ready for discussion
13:10:29 <simonstey_> ... that is, going to CR before f2F
13:10:32 <phila> ... Next week cold be a short 15 min call
13:10:36 <phila> ... Just to recap
13:11:12 <benws17> CR after F2F :)
13:11:21 <phila> benws17: Anything else?
13:11:25 <phila> [Nope]
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