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13:05:59 <kaz> present+ Kaz, Daniel, Feng, Michael_McCool, Taki, Yongjing
13:06:48 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda
13:06:56 <kaz> present+ Achille
13:07:07 <kaz> present+ Tokuyama
13:07:11 <kaz> regrets: Matthias
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13:08:07 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda
13:08:21 <kaz> present+ Yingying
13:08:45 <kaz> present+ Nimura
13:09:09 <kaz> q+
13:09:22 <kaz> mm: OCF update
13:09:26 <kaz> ... MoU not yet
13:09:48 <kaz> ... OCF Liaison will be pretty busy for the next a few months
13:10:28 <kaz> ... btw, anyone who are members of OCF here?
13:10:35 <kaz> ... your help is welcome for the liaison
13:11:02 <kaz> yz: my company is a member of OCF but I myself can't join the effort
13:11:17 <kaz> ... let's talk about that offline
13:12:00 <kaz> ... any other update?
13:12:05 <kaz> ka: about minutes handling
13:12:08 <kaz> ... @@@
13:12:19 <kaz> yz: anything else?
13:12:21 <kaz> (none)
13:12:43 <kaz> topic: [Dave Raggett] Thing description requirements from a survey of OCF, oneM2M, BACnet and EchoNet
13:13:04 <kaz> dsr: will put the slides somewhere reachable
13:13:44 <kaz> ... the project name is "CREATE-IoT"
13:14:06 <kaz> ... Survey of IoT Platforms
13:14:18 <kaz> (Dave goes through the slides)
13:14:30 <kaz> dsr: [ Survey of IoT Platforms ]
13:14:59 <kaz> ... work funded by the European Commission through the Create-IoT
13:15:05 <kaz> ... [ Coverage ]
13:15:46 <kaz> ... started to look at OCF/OIC 1.1, oneM2M, BACnet, ECHONET, Smart Device Template, ...
13:15:58 <kaz> mm: what about MQTT, DDS, etc.?
13:16:06 <kaz> dsr: on the roadmap
13:16:15 <kaz> ... [ Methodology ]
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13:16:53 <kaz> ... read the IoT platform specs and look for common patterns
13:16:58 <kaz> ... [ OCF ]
13:17:01 <kaz> ... starting with OCF
13:17:08 <kaz> ... OIC 1.1
13:17:16 <kaz> ... RESTful interface over CoAP and HTTP
13:17:32 <kaz> ... spec uses Restful API Markup Language (RAML)
13:17:49 <kaz> ... modularization ongoing
13:18:09 <kaz> ... each resource is defined in RAML
13:18:33 <kaz> ... RAML is not used at run-time
13:18:51 <kaz> ... RAML is verbose with a high degree of predictability
13:19:06 <kaz> ... OCF spec online
13:19:20 <kaz> mm: what about oneLTA model?
13:19:36 <kaz> dsr: not aware
13:19:44 <kaz> ... [ OCF OIC 1.1 release ]
13:19:51 <kaz> ... 63 resources/15 Devices
13:20:13 <kaz> q+
13:20:30 <kaz> ... [ oneM2M ]
13:20:44 <kaz> ... RESTful interfaces over CoAP, HTTP and MQTT
13:20:56 <kaz> ... defines devices in terms of composition of modules
13:21:01 <kaz> ... formalized in XML
13:21:13 <kaz> ... home appliances and information models
13:21:14 <McCool> Look at www.oneiota.org for a list of more up-to-date OCF/OIC data models
13:21:41 <kaz> s/oneLTA/oneiota/
13:21:53 <kaz> dsr: broad range of devices
13:22:01 <kaz> ... specification online
13:22:14 <kaz> ... [ oneM2M ] (contd.)
13:22:22 <kaz> ... 40 modules/13 devices
13:22:46 <kaz> yz: first slide of oneM2M
13:22:58 <kaz> ... binding protocol now includes WebSocket as well
13:23:04 <kaz> ... DDS also
13:23:25 <kaz> ... there are tools as well
13:23:44 <kaz> ... service function models are represented as resources
13:24:12 <kaz> mm: OCF is similar
13:24:23 <kaz> dsr: what level of commonality is there?
13:25:11 <kaz> yz: not 1-to-1 mapping yet
13:25:33 <kaz> mm: 2 issues
13:25:47 <kaz> ... OCF define common resources
13:26:11 <kaz> ... roughly compared to oneM2M
13:26:18 <kaz> ... trying to work together
13:26:35 <kaz> ... the question is there are existing devices
13:26:49 <kaz> q?
13:27:36 <kaz> yz: oneM2M was defining device models as an abstract ones
13:28:03 <kaz> ... there is another source, OMA
13:28:36 <kaz> ... oneM2M uses ontology but it doesn't govern the ontology
13:28:50 <kaz> ... there are some examples
13:29:00 <kaz> ... base ontology and domain specific ones
13:29:09 <kaz> dsr: we can learn it
13:29:15 <kaz> ... [ BACnet ]
13:29:21 <kaz> ... building automation
13:29:58 <kaz> ... core specs define information model, metadata and protocols
13:30:14 <kaz> ... a bit different technology
13:30:26 <kaz> ... BACnet object corresponds to properties
13:31:10 <kaz> ... BACnet objects correspond to WoT properties
13:31:18 <kaz> ... BACnet properties correspond to WoT metadata
13:31:42 <kaz> ... Michael Newman's book available
13:32:00 <kaz> ... [ ECHONET ]
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13:32:07 <kaz> ... home automation and personal health
13:32:20 <kaz> present+ Toumura
13:32:25 <kaz> present+ Ohura
13:32:31 <kaz> present+ Nan_Wang
13:32:36 <kaz> present+ Sebastian
13:32:43 <kaz> present+ Yamada
13:32:52 <kaz> ... 22 properties
13:33:00 <kaz> ... 44 sensors
13:33:14 <dape> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:33:27 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:33:43 <kaz> ...[ ECHONET Device Groups ]
13:33:47 <kaz> ... air conditioners
13:33:59 <kaz> ... housing/facilities
13:34:06 <kaz> ... cooking/household
13:34:09 <kaz> ... health
13:34:15 <kaz> ... management
13:34:18 <kaz> ... ...
13:34:32 <kaz> ... [ HGI Smart Device Template ]
13:34:40 <kaz> ... defined by the Home Gateway Initiative
13:34:54 <kaz> ... XML Schema for smart home devices available online
13:35:11 <kaz> yz: question on HGI
13:35:44 <kaz> ... home appliance model is available in oneM2M as well
13:35:51 <kaz> ... using smart device template
13:36:00 <kaz> dsr: [ REST over CoAP and HTTP ]
13:36:23 <kaz> ... Roy Fielding's representational state transfer design pattern for stateless protocols
13:36:45 <kaz> ... different kind of abstraction
13:36:56 <kaz> ... [ Results ]
13:37:03 <kaz> ... [ Emergent Requirements ]
13:37:19 <kaz> ... strong support for objects with properties, actions and events
13:37:27 <kaz> ... object model for things
13:37:43 <kaz> ... common data types: boolean, string, integer, number
13:38:22 <kaz> ... less common data types: enumerations, unions, vectors, ordered/unordered collections
13:38:34 <zkis> present+ Zoltan_Kis
13:38:43 <kaz> ... some calls that "array"
13:39:14 <kaz> ... application types in terms of predefined types
13:39:23 <kaz> ... things as first class types
13:39:35 <kaz> ... compound/nested properties
13:39:46 <kaz> ... compound arguments for actions and events
13:39:54 <kaz> ... Metadata:
13:40:02 <kaz> ... min/max for numbers and integers
13:40:13 <kaz> ... read-only/read-write
13:40:25 <kaz> ... required/optional
13:40:36 <kaz> ... units of measure including scale factors
13:40:58 <kaz> ... static/changeable
13:41:16 <kaz> mm: constrains of types?
13:41:30 <kaz> s/constrains/what about constraints/
13:41:52 <kaz> ... begin/end of some specific characters?
13:42:13 <kaz> dsr: we should have mapping mechanism
13:42:25 <kaz> mm: there is OIC bridging mechanism
13:43:12 <kaz> dsr: characters and character sets
13:43:17 <kaz> s/sets/sets as well/
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13:43:30 <kaz> mm: regular expression too
13:43:57 <kaz> dsr: sometimes metadata is static, but sometimes changeable
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13:46:13 <kaz> ... mapping of enumerated values, property names, etc., to IDs
13:46:22 <kaz> ... Google protocol buffers show examples
13:46:42 <mjkoster> HI guys, it look slike the webconf is now mwmber-only
13:46:44 <kaz> ... how versioning relates to the history
13:46:50 <mjkoster> member-only
13:47:30 <kaz> dsr: [ Syntactic Modularity ]
13:47:43 <kaz> ... specs like to define things
13:47:50 <kaz> ... [ Semantic Modularity ]
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13:48:09 <mjkoster> webconf wants username and password
13:48:10 <kaz> ... not used by any of the IoT platforms covered so far in the survey
13:48:45 <kaz> mm: there is a modularity thing
13:49:21 <kaz> ... either supporting flattening or not
13:49:37 <kaz> dsr: should look at use cases
13:49:44 <mjkoster> Is there a way I can participate?
13:51:23 <kaz> dsr: [ Next Steps ]
13:51:37 <kaz> ... plan to flesh out this survey as a CreateIoT report
13:51:53 <kaz> ... whilst also extending it to a broader IoT platforms
13:51:54 <kaz> q?
13:53:06 <kaz> ack k
13:53:47 <kaz> kaz: do you want to put the results of this survey into the tech landscape document
13:54:08 <kaz> ... would be a great input for that
13:54:20 <kaz> dsr: yes
13:54:37 <kaz> mm: good timing to collect data as well
13:54:53 <kaz> yz: pattern of interface too
13:55:07 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
13:55:47 <kaz> yz: sometimes need extended pattern
13:56:20 <kaz> dsr: if there is already some driver for an IoT platform
13:56:28 <kaz> ... we don't need WoT
13:56:47 <kaz> ... but if users want to control the device, may need WoT
13:57:17 <McCool> (sorry, I have to go...)
13:57:20 <McCool> present-
13:57:34 <kaz> yz: other questions?
13:58:04 <kaz> ... question on [ Semantic Modularity ]
13:58:44 <kaz> ... in oneM2M, there is something related
13:58:51 <kaz> ... semantic annotation
13:59:08 <kaz> ... semantic classes should be validated
13:59:39 <kaz> dsr: LD TF are discussing that
13:59:48 <kaz> yz: can provide ideas from the oneM2M side
13:59:58 <kaz> ... another question on [ Next Steps ]
14:00:16 <kaz> ... targets include OMA, etc.?
14:00:23 <kaz> dsr: need to leave now
14:00:44 <kaz> ... will put the slides on the wiki
14:00:44 <kaz> yz: tx
14:00:50 <kaz> present+ Matthias
14:00:56 <kaz> regrets- Matthias
14:01:13 <kaz> topic: Osaka F2F
14:01:19 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WoTF2F201705/ registration site
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14:01:32 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_May_2017,_Osaka,_Japan#Input f2f wiki
14:02:10 <kaz> kaz: mentions the registration site and wiki above
14:02:20 <kaz> ... sent papers to Yongjing
14:02:46 <kaz> ohura: list of recommended hotels on the wiki
14:03:04 <kaz> yz: the first hotel agora hotel was not available for my stay...
14:04:00 <kaz> ... asks about the papers for his visa procedure
14:04:11 <kaz> kaz: clarifies the requirements
14:04:21 <kaz> yz: any other questions?
14:04:22 <kaz> (none)
14:04:28 <kaz> topic: WG reports
14:04:41 <kaz> sk: give some report
14:05:05 <kaz> ... first call on Monday
14:05:25 <kaz> ... talked about logistics for spec generation
14:05:30 <kaz> ... GitHub, etc.
14:05:48 <kaz> ... already set up the first version
14:06:02 <dape> q+
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14:06:29 <kaz> ... update from the Santa Clara meeting
14:06:34 <kaz> ... will continue the discussion
14:06:45 <kaz> ack d
14:07:08 <kaz> dp: the content of the current practice document has been copied to the TD area
14:07:21 <kaz> ... what would happen to the old current practice document?
14:07:52 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/ WG TD draft
14:08:33 <kaz> -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html IG current practice document
14:08:55 <kaz> sk: we need to discuss how to handle it
14:09:10 <kaz> zk: ok with keeping the old doc
14:09:28 <kaz> dp: as an enter point for the upcoming WG draft?
14:11:04 <kaz> kaz: we can keep the IG current practice document as is
14:11:33 <kaz> ... and also if we want, we can use the Current Practices area to record our progress/results from PlugFest demos
14:12:00 <kaz> zk: yes, current practices are mainly records of PlugFest
14:12:10 <kaz> yz: we need to check with Matthias as well
14:14:12 <kaz> kaz: which would be better/easier for the Editors, (1) simply put the PlugFest results on the wiki or (2) once record the detail in the Current Practices document
14:14:35 <kaz> yz: let's continue the discussion on the ML
14:14:43 <kaz> s/ML/Editors ML/
14:14:58 <kaz> topic: Communication TF
14:15:21 <kaz> yc: chatted with Dave and the Mar/Comm Team
14:15:29 <kaz> ... press release testimonials
14:15:44 <kaz> s/press/about press/
14:16:02 <kaz> ... the first public wd should be published in April
14:16:20 <kaz> ... and would like testimonials from Members
14:16:33 <kaz> ... the second topic is recruiting for WG
14:16:46 <kaz> ... 200 people for IG while 60 for WG
14:17:10 <kaz> ... Alibaba has just joined
14:17:16 <kaz> ... contacting Tencent
14:17:27 <kaz> s/60/69/
14:17:37 <kaz> ... will reach out other Members as well
14:17:56 <kaz> ... especially for those who are participating in IG
14:18:06 <kaz> s/200/218/
14:18:09 <kaz> yz: ok
14:18:53 <kaz> yc: provides some more information on Chinese participation
14:19:30 <kaz> topic: AOB
14:19:44 <kaz> yz: any other updates?
14:19:49 <kaz> ... security, scripting?
14:21:24 <kaz> kaz: gives update from the Script TF
14:21:28 <kaz> ... @@@
14:21:32 <kaz> yz: ok
14:21:36 <kaz> ... any other business?
14:23:07 <kaz> (none)
14:23:13 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
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18:27:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:27:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/08-wot-minutes.html kaz
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