01:00:26 RRSAgent has joined #auto 01:00:26 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/03/08-auto-irc 01:00:28 RRSAgent, make logs public 01:00:28 Zakim has joined #auto 01:00:30 Zakim, this will be 01:00:30 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 01:00:31 Meeting: Automotive Working Group Teleconference 01:00:31 Date: 08 March 2017 01:01:10 Present+ Ted 01:01:42 Present+ Mike, Hira, Rudi 01:02:42 junichi-hashimoto has joined #auto 01:02:56 Regrets+ Powell, Peter 01:04:10 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/CANpGCG+FVjbQGLeDChWSOZkP4XHOxrj3E7GrDGEWMJc3=Pi3ag@mail.gmail.com 01:04:13 Chair: Rudi 01:04:17 Scribe: Ted 01:04:18 scribenick: ted 01:04:25 hira_ has joined #auto 01:04:56 agenda+ Status updates 01:05:05 agenda+ Planning for Specification Teleconferences in March 01:05:13 agenda+ Planning for GENIVI AMM in May 01:05:24 agenda+ AOB 01:06:14 urata_access has joined #auto 01:06:45 Present+ SongLi 01:07:04 Present+ Urata, Paul 01:08:52 Present+ Junichi 01:08:54 agenda? 01:10:43 zakim, next agendum 01:10:43 agendum 1. "Status updates" taken up [from ted] 01:10:49 Rudi does roll call 01:13:00 Rudi: Ted can you please provide an update on staff resources concerning the group 01:13:08 Ted: @@summary 01:13:44 Rudi: Hira you voiced some concerns about Kaz' participation 01:14:01 … I hope KDDI will continue in this capacity 01:14:17 Hira: this is upsetting to Japanese members but understand the decision 01:14:34 … we would have preferred this be deferred until the spec reaches CT 01:14:38 s/CT/CR/ 01:15:09 … Japanese OEM are looking at Smart Device Link and we want to catch their attention as well 01:15:37 Rudi: SDLink is entirely different and understand Toyota is considering that route 01:16:03 … that is more of a competition to other similar approaches for pairing with smartphones than what we are doing 01:16:24 Hira: SDLink has already been published in public and covers vehicle data and media, including security 01:17:00 … this specification may be designed for automotive, smart phone and tablet but we have to notice these activities for our specification 01:17:11 Rudi: we have to monitor what is going in the industry 01:17:32 Hira: we want to compete in this specification race 01:17:42 Rudi: I do not think we are competing with it directly 01:18:25 … we need to work on other domains (media etc) as we have been discussing for next generation/after CR 01:18:59 Urata: can I discuss about the Kaz topic 01:19:17 q+ to mention AGL and Japanese OEM 01:19:36 … Kaz was really a great help for Japanese members as English is a big problem 01:20:15 … I know he is very busy but wondering if we could ask him to help through the F2F 01:20:47 … I understand there are resource allocation matters 01:21:24 ted, you wanted to mention AGL and Japanese OEM 01:21:33 Rudi: that is more a question to W3C 01:23:36 Ted @@resources and i18n 01:25:38 @@on_AGL&Toyota 01:26:12 Rudi: agree to Ted's point, if things are unclear please ask for clarification 01:28:04 Hira: can we ask him to join for WoT concerns? 01:28:15 paul has joined #auto 01:28:35 Ted: for joint meetings with WoT like TPAC then yes we would reach out to him, the WoT lead Dave Raggett and their chairs 01:29:01 Urata: I have made some changes to my prototype implementation in github 01:29:38 … the access control portion is currently empty and cannot test the authorization piece 01:29:52 … I can implement the authorize method with a dummy function 01:30:24 … this is a mock implementation but it is achievable. I will continue this week and next 01:30:37 … the test cases will be complete by next week 01:31:20 … I have only used my test suite against my prototype implementation and ask for others to run it against theirs 01:31:37 Rudi: I really appreciate your effort and moving this forward swiftly 01:32:07 … I agree for the purpose of testing and especially since we deferred on the authorization piece you approach is reasonable 01:32:32 … perhaps in the next round (next gen) it would be more explicit but it is left to implementers at this point 01:32:58 Urata: I tried to put the test case on public server so people can run the framework themselves 01:33:22 … from the description of the test suite it is suppose to execute locally and it is not possible to run online 01:33:53 … I ask people download and run themselves and run themselves 01:34:19 Rudi: I will ask Peter Winzell from Melco to run the test suite against his implementation that is running on the Genivi Development Platform 01:34:28 … SongLi perhaps you are interested in running it as well 01:34:33 SongLi: absolutely 01:35:46 https://github.com/aShinjiroUrata/web-platform-tests/tree/dev-urata-vsss-test 01:38:44 Ted: also worth asking Powell to run it since he demoed VinLi's platform with VISS at Genivi showcase during CES 01:39:26 … if it is at all possible to run online instead of locally with /etc/hosts to have our static hostname, then I would be willing to work with you (Urata) to run an instance at MIT 01:39:55 SongLi: having an online tester would be beneficial 01:39:58 q+ 01:40:11 … we can skip certificates as well if they are a problem 01:42:45 Ted: benefit of an online test server, soliciting implementation reports 01:43:12 … I will also encourage those in the group to do short write ups of their experiences in implementing 01:43:40 s/, soliciting/is it provides and opportunity for soliciting/ 01:44:09 Rudi: Powell has been working on the client side specification but there is still a gap there 01:44:53 … he is not here but perhaps others may be able to comment 01:45:05 Urata: I am in a discussion with Rudi-san on authorization 01:45:27 … the authorize method according to the specification should be done for data path and actions 01:46:15 … we may want to specify actions as a parameter to authorization 01:46:25 … this piece is not clear enough to me yet 01:47:05 … leaving some things to be implementation dependent is ok but we should confirm we can realize a system to authorize properly with json web token or oauth 01:47:46 -> https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/140 Issue 140 01:48:39 Hira: I have raised a question on 137 01:48:46 -> https://github.com/w3c/automotive/pull/137 Issue 137 01:49:23 Hira: I want to add normative or non-normative by section on his generated document 01:49:56 Rudi: that could make sense, please suggest which you feel should be normative in that issue would help and we can then discuss further 01:50:04 … it will help to learn where we should be more specific 01:50:27 Hira: we may need this clearly defined in order to be able to make test assertions 01:51:06 Rudi: yes or it could be left to the implementer 01:51:50 Urata: the VIAS seems agnostic in the manner it communicates 01:52:07 … it would be worth saying web sockets or http 01:52:41 … it has an assumption of using web sockets which is different from our initial intent 01:53:01 … in the future it should be modified 01:53:29 Hira: next time we modify specification for high level api we should not touch the draft spec 01:54:06 Urata: changing the draft VIAS now isn't necessary 01:54:30 Hira: we would need to clarify normative and non-normative 01:54:48 Paul: is the concern about the VIAS spec being written to a socket? 01:55:18 Urata: if the group thinks VIAS should be written in a more agnostic manner we should remove socket from the spec 01:55:29 Paul: agree it should be informative and not normative 01:56:31 … we said earlier that the developer shouldn't care how VIAS talks to the service 01:56:43 … we do want the two specs to be consistent and compatible 01:57:17 … the client spec is meant to stand on its own so it should be non-normative on how it communicates 01:57:36 agenda? 01:58:12 zakim, close this agendum 01:58:12 agendum 1 closed 01:58:12 zakim, next agendum 01:58:13 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 01:58:13 2. Planning for Specification Teleconferences in March [from ted] 01:58:13 agendum 2. "Planning for Specification Teleconferences in March" taken up [from ted] 01:58:36 Rudi: we had agreed we wanted to have some longer teleconferences to complete this work on the specs and test suite 01:58:44 … the question is to start this week or next? 01:59:12 … there will be timezone conflicts as we are well aware 02:00:12 Ted: for me next week would be better as the following I will be in Chicago for coordinating Automotive and Web Payments at their F2F 02:00:19 Hira: can we have a doodle? 02:00:22 Rudi: sure 02:00:30 zakim, close this agendum 02:00:30 agendum 2 closed 02:00:31 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 02:00:31 3. Planning for GENIVI AMM in May [from ted] 02:02:19 Ted: Genivi has confirmed space during their All Member Meeting for the 10th and 11th 02:02:36 … I'll send email to the group list 02:03:01 Urata: I would like to continue the discussion on VIAS and hope we can have a test implementation 02:03:16 Rudi: yes that would be necessary and hope something that Powell is working on 02:03:25 Urata: tests are necessary for CR? 02:03:28 Rudi: yes 02:03:38 Hira: I will generate test assertions in March 02:04:15 zakim, next agendum 02:04:15 agendum 3. "Planning for GENIVI AMM in May" taken up [from ted] 02:04:22 zakim, close this agendum 02:04:22 agendum 3 closed 02:04:23 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 02:04:23 4. AOB [from ted] 02:04:24 zakim, next agendum 02:04:24 agendum 4. "AOB" taken up [from ted] 02:04:36 [adjourned] 02:04:39 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Ted, Mike, Hira, Rudi, SongLi, Urata, Paul, Junichi 02:04:39 Zakim has left #auto 02:04:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/08-auto-minutes.html ted 02:16:38 s/@@summary/Kaz is taking on new responsibilities as part of W3C's reorg plus in a number of other Working Groups so is resigning from Automotive/ 02:18:13 s/@@resources and i18n/we cannot provide native speakers for every Working Group for every nationality we have participants. I encourage anyone who has difficulty understanding any comment to ask by speaking up or in irc/ 02:27:21 s/@@on_AGL&Toyota/… we only have KDDI, Melco and ACCESS as participants. It would be great to have Toyota and other Japanese OEM (and Tier 1s) involved. Hopefully AGL's involvement will help with Toyota and others in time/ 02:27:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/08-auto-minutes.html ted 02:27:33 I see no action items