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16:04:09 <behnam> RRSAgent, please draft the minutes
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16:04:20 <najib> zakim, who is here?
16:04:20 <Zakim> Present: najib, behnam, mostafa
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16:04:22 <behnam> Meeting: ALReq Weekly Meeting, 7 March 2017
16:04:46 <behnam> agenda+ Status review of action items
16:06:47 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/justification.en
16:06:59 <behnam> agenda+ Review of GitHub issues and pull requests
16:06:59 <behnam> agenda?
16:07:00 <behnam> Chair: Behnam
16:07:52 <mostafa> ScribeNick: mostafa
16:10:07 <behnam> Zakim, pickup agendum 1
16:10:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pickup agendum 1', behnam
16:10:17 <behnam> pickup agendum 1
16:10:29 <behnam> take up agendum 1
16:10:42 <behnam> https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open?sort=owner
16:12:40 <mostafa> Mostafa: Started collecting images for action-48. Will upload them when I’m done with more images.
16:13:08 <mostafa> Najib: I have some examples for action-81. I’ll upload them when I have more examples.
16:13:35 <mostafa> Behnam: You can also upload them to the other repository.
16:13:45 <mostafa> … Instead of just our issue comments.
16:13:54 <mostafa> Najib: +1
16:14:29 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/type-samples
16:14:30 <mostafa> … Which one is the preference?
16:14:42 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/type-samples/
16:15:10 <mostafa> Richard: You can upload examples of typography here.
16:15:33 <mostafa> … A few things to remember: One is to not swamp the repository with similar things.
16:16:15 <mostafa> … Two is to link to or embed images here from our ALReq repo so that people will be able to find them.
16:17:09 <behnam> q?
16:18:59 <mostafa> q+
16:19:28 <behnam> ack mostafa
16:20:52 <najib> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/justification.en
16:25:14 <mostafa> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/pull/89
16:26:50 <mostafa> Mostafa: This PR includes several updates to the character tables.
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16:27:59 <mostafa> http://static.kolah.ir/alreq/#characters-tables
16:28:06 <mostafa> … Some are stylistics. Some are related to the content, like not excluding ASCII characters.
16:28:35 <mostafa> I also checked including country codes in my locales, but the change was having European digits.
16:28:43 <mostafa> … I also checked including country codes in my locales, but the change was having European digits.
16:28:52 <mostafa> … So, I removed that change.
16:31:04 <mostafa> … Also, I changed the alt text of character images to character names, so we don’t have control characters in your documents any more. Some validator warnings will go away with this.
16:31:28 <mostafa> Najib: I see some letters that are not used in Arabic: Arabic Hamza above, for example.
16:33:07 <mostafa> … Also, less-than sign, equal sign, should also be marked for Arabic.
16:33:27 <mostafa> … And the same for controlc characters like RTL, …. .
16:34:11 <mostafa> Richard: I think we have two separate issues: format issues and content issues. The format part looks good now.
16:34:24 <mostafa> … The content part is discussed by Najib.
16:34:37 <mostafa> … I suggest we merge it now, so that we have it.
16:34:51 <mostafa> … And keep the discussion for further changes.
16:35:25 <mostafa> Behnam: +1
16:36:44 <mostafa> Mostafa: +1. We can keep our discussion in our issue, Shortcomings of Characters Table.
16:36:54 <mostafa> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/49
16:38:04 <najib> +1
16:39:09 <behnam> action Najib to review Characters Table for AR language
16:39:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-87 - Review characters table for ar language [on Najib Tounsi - due 2017-03-14].
16:39:10 <behnam> action+ Najib to review Characters Table for AR language
16:39:25 <behnam> +1
16:40:39 <mostafa> Behnam: I’m moving issue #49, shortcomings of characters table, to the review section of our drafting table.
16:43:56 <najib> q+
16:43:58 <mostafa> … In the diacritics table Fatha, Damma, are marked as auxiliary, but Fathatan, Dammatan are marked as used.
16:44:21 <najib> q-
16:44:30 <mostafa> Mostafa: This comes from CLDR. I guess it is because Fatha, Damma, can be removed without affecting text.
16:44:54 <mostafa> … But Fathatan, … are part of some words and can not be removed from a word.
16:45:28 <najib> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/wiki/Arabic-numerals-(Draft)
16:47:16 <behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/projects/1
16:47:18 <behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/62
16:47:19 <behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/59
16:47:19 <behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/85
16:52:31 <najib> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/62  points to https://github.com/w3c/alreq/wiki/Arabic-numerals-(Draft)
16:52:52 <najib> only 62
16:54:12 <mostafa> Behnam: What is the place of this new numeral draft in the document?
16:54:18 <mostafa> … In which section?
16:56:32 <najib> section 3.8 Arabic numbering
16:56:32 <mostafa> Mostafa: Maybe section 3.8, “Arabic numbering”?
16:57:41 <mostafa> Behnam: Creating a new issue to track drafting this section.
16:58:17 <mostafa> … This is different from #62, because that only concerns a bidi issue.
16:59:26 <mostafa> … This is now issue #101.
17:02:37 <mostafa> … Still working on issue #97.
17:03:25 <mostafa> … Najib, are you interested in #59 as part of the numeral section?
17:04:09 <najib> Yes, I already put some comments there.
17:04:51 <mostafa> … Taking issue #82 as I’m already working on the joining section.
17:05:12 <behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/101
17:05:18 <behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/82
17:06:54 <behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/99
17:07:50 <mostafa> Behnam: A discussion about spacing is whether increase the space after the period.
17:08:04 <mostafa> … This also comes up around other punctuations.
17:08:05 <mostafa> q+
17:08:17 <mostafa> … These are some of the issues that we want to talk about.
17:09:19 <r12a> q+
17:09:25 <mostafa> q-
17:09:48 <mostafa> Mostafa: Wondering if this topic is too detailed for the scope of our document.
17:10:16 <mostafa> … Specially that these are general typography discussions, not specially about Arabic.
17:10:52 <mostafa> Richard: I’m wondering what will be useful for someone implementing CSS parts.
17:11:27 <mostafa> … Some languages have special deals with spaces, for example in Urdu and CJK we had that.
17:11:38 <mostafa> … These are the kind of things that might be useful.
17:12:50 <mostafa> … I’m also wondering if some of these are about different styles of different writers.
17:13:12 <mostafa> Behnam: We don’t have a tool in CSS now for controlling space after a period.
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17:13:32 <ebrahim> Sorry for being late guys
17:13:38 <mostafa> … I agree with Mostafa that this concerns a lot of other languages too.
17:14:13 <najib> q+
17:14:25 <r12a> q-
17:14:39 <mostafa> … But even if we have the same practice as, say, Latin, we can just say that we can follow that practice from another script here.
17:15:31 <mostafa> Najib: I have the same concern as Mostafa. Also, there are some language-based rules about punctuations.
17:16:27 <mostafa> … In Arabic it is common to use period instead of space between numbers to avoid bidi problems.
17:16:42 <mostafa> … I have some examples of that in my numbers draft.
17:16:44 <mostafa> q+
17:16:53 <najib> q-
17:16:58 <mostafa> … It is a more general typographic problem.
17:17:10 <behnam> ack r12a
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17:17:48 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/99
17:17:55 <behnam> RRSAgent, please draft minute
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17:18:01 <behnam> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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17:18:48 <behnam> q?
17:19:33 <r12a> q?
17:19:48 <mostafa> Mostafa: I was just concerned about this being one of the many typographic details that we can talk about. But it is not a very objective thing. No objection to including this.
17:19:49 <mostafa> q-
17:20:42 <mostafa> Behnam: We can think more about it. Specially about recommending narrow space for Persian.
17:21:46 <mostafa> … I’ll try to expand it and get more questions that we can answer.
17:22:27 <behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/100
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17:22:40 <behnam_> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/100
17:23:27 <mostafa> Behnam: Is issue #100 something that we want to track in our projcet?
17:24:05 <mostafa> Richard: I think we talked about math before and decided that are not including it for the time being.
17:24:23 <mostafa> … So I think this can use a “future” label.
17:28:10 <ebrahim> I was away for some weeks, so on a side discussion, was there any progress on finding clues on why Arabic-Indic digits direction is different from Extended Arabic-digits digits?
17:29:55 <behnam_> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/85
17:30:04 <behnam_> Bidi Category of numbers are different #85
17:30:34 <mostafa> Ebrahim: There was a question about bidi category of different digits sets.
17:30:52 <mostafa> … I was wondering if there was any progress on that in the recent weeks.
17:32:14 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open?sort=owner
17:32:43 <behnam_> https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/75
17:32:53 <mostafa> Richard: Shervin has action-75 for answering this.
17:33:05 <behnam_> q?
17:35:29 <ebrahim> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/persian-computing/602gqTIrlPQ
17:37:41 <behnam_> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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17:50:47 <behnam_> present+ ebrahim
17:50:47 <behnam_> present+ r12a
17:50:48 <behnam_> regrets+ shervin
17:50:48 <behnam_> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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17:51:01 <behnam> present+ ebrahim
17:51:31 <behnam> s/pickup agendum 1//
17:51:58 <behnam> RRSAgent, please publish the minutes
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