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09:02:09 <kaz> Meeting: WoT Chairs
09:02:16 <kaz> present+ Kaz, Michael
09:02:22 <kaz> regrets+ Matthias
09:06:21 <kaz> present+ Yongjing
09:07:15 <kaz> Chair: McCool
09:07:32 <kaz> topic: Agenda
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13:05:50 <dsr> chair: Matthias
13:05:59 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#22_Feb_2017
13:06:04 <dsr> meeting: WoT IG telecon
13:06:22 <dsr> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#22_Feb_2017
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13:06:29 <kaz> present+ Kaz
13:06:44 <mkovatsc> s/WoT IG/Joint WoT IG-WG/
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13:07:02 <mkovatsc> present+ Matthias_Kovatsch
13:07:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:08:37 <mkovatsc> q?
13:08:37 <DarkoAnicic> scribe: DarkoAnicic
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13:09:16 <McCool> Present+ McCool
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13:09:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:10:01 <McCool> Kaz: maybe send a quick email reminder to Fernando?
13:10:23 <DarkoAnicic> Matthias: today we have two external presentations: one from Konca Minolta and another one related to the WoT ontology
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13:11:53 <DarkoAnicic> Matthias: we need a press realise and a blog post etc. to show the WG started to work - there will be a meeting organized
13:14:03 <McCool> q+
13:15:16 <McCool> never mind, audio not working
13:15:17 <McCool> carry on
13:15:26 <DarkoAnicic> Matthias: there exist 4 mailing lists at the moment. We need to reduce a number of emails by organizing the communication.
13:15:39 <kaz> [ present: Kaz, Carlos, Darko, Dave, Fent, Kajimoto, Naka, Nimura, Toumura, Ohura, Matej, Matthias, MKoster, McCool, Philip, Yamada, Taki, Tokuyama, Victor, Yongjing ]
13:16:18 <McCool> anyhow, I was going to say we discussing creating an Editor's mailing list (actually, will have Editors and Chairs)
13:16:39 <McCool> specifically to cover organizational topics related to editing the drafts
13:17:20 <DarkoAnicic> Matthias: for instance we can publish first on the members-only WG list, and once we have an agreement or a proposal, then we can publish it on the public mailing list.
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13:17:46 <McCool> generally better to use github issues for "sticky" topics
13:17:59 <DarkoAnicic> kajimoto: I would like to create a mailing list for the architecture deliverable.
13:18:06 <yingying> present+ Yingying_Chen
13:18:21 <DarkoAnicic> Matthias: this is an old issue: mailing list vs. GitHub issue
13:18:38 <DarkoAnicic> Topic: Presentation from Konica Minolta
13:19:42 <DarkoAnicic> Presenter: Matej Dusik
13:20:11 <DarkoAnicic> Presenter II: Carlos A Velasco
13:22:47 <kaz> [ present+ Nan_Wang ]
13:25:12 <DarkoAnicic> project "Cognitive Hub" presented
13:26:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:27:03 <jhund> q+
13:27:05 <mkovatsc> q?
13:27:18 <mkovatsc> ack McCool
13:28:10 <DarkoAnicic> jhund: very interesting presentation. What kind of protocols do you support? What kind of Things can be connected to?
13:28:11 <cvelasco_Fraunhofer> q+
13:28:25 <jhund> ack jhund
13:28:31 <kaz> q?
13:28:37 <DarkoAnicic> Matej Dusik: we would like to support the W3C WoT
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13:29:16 <DarkoAnicic> Matej Dusik: different Things can be connected over our semantic platform
13:29:34 <kaz> q+ to ask if Matej can send these slides to the group list
13:29:51 <McCool_> q+
13:29:58 <DarkoAnicic> Matej Dusik: we are currently driven by different use cases
13:29:59 <kaz> q?
13:30:04 <kaz> ack cvel
13:30:59 <DarkoAnicic> Carlos: introducing himself, we are working on topics like semantics, WoT
13:31:41 <DarkoAnicic> Matthias: you are invited to give a short presentation on your work, activities etc.
13:31:43 <kaz> ack kaz
13:31:43 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to ask if Matej can send these slides to the group list
13:32:08 <kaz> ack Mc
13:32:13 <DarkoAnicic> kaz: Matej, could you please send the presented slides?
13:32:27 <DarkoAnicic> Matej: yes.
13:33:01 <DarkoAnicic> Matthias: why did you choose Lora.
13:33:46 <DarkoAnicic> Matej: Low maintenance, low power
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13:34:44 <DarkoAnicic> jhund: you are invited to participate in our Plug Fests to test the interoperability
13:34:57 <mkovatsc> q?
13:35:13 <kaz> q?
13:35:14 <McCool> never mind, stupid network
13:35:44 <DarkoAnicic> Topic: The WoT Ontology
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13:36:15 <DarkoAnicic> Matthias:Since Fernando is not present, we will skip the presentation
13:36:54 <DarkoAnicic> Jhund: we have a new repo. Zoltan will provide the access. Email notification will be provided.
13:37:01 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/02/20-wot-minutes.html Scripting minutes
13:37:39 <mkovatsc> q?
13:37:41 <mkovatsc> q+
13:38:35 <kaz> [ present+ Fernando ]
13:38:49 <kaz> [ present+ Maria ]
13:39:21 <DarkoAnicic> jhund: IG space will be merged with the new repo and the current content will be freezed, and a visitor will be forwarded to the new repo.
13:39:54 <kaz> q+
13:40:00 <jhund> s/ Zoltan will provide the access/ Zoltan will provide a strawman for the ED, we still no access yet/
13:40:10 <DarkoAnicic> Matthias: we should delete the old (current) content in order not to confuse visitors (it will not be deleted anyway, in case it is needed).
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13:43:41 <McCool> McCool: beside moving "normative" details out, I think we also need to work on outlines for each document
13:45:41 <kaz> ack k
13:46:38 <DarkoAnicic> I have updateed the architecture document (from the IG work) to be used in the WG
13:46:56 <DarkoAnicic> s/I have updateed the architecture document (from the IG work) to be used in the WG/ kajimoto: I have updateed the architecture document (from the IG work) to be used in the WG
13:48:25 <DarkoAnicic> Matthias: we should ensure that the most recent template is used in docs
13:48:33 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wotwg/tree/master/architecture wot architecture tentative area
13:48:50 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture wot architecture final area
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13:52:10 <DarkoAnicic> Matthias: in the work on the architecture we want to cover, apart from device to clould comm., also other scenarious, e.g., Thing to Thing interactions etc. Currently we don't have a separate call for the architecture work, email communication is crrently used.
13:54:02 <DarkoAnicic> Carlos: could we organize the work more clearly regarding where and how to contribute?
13:54:34 <DarkoAnicic> Matthias: the input has been inhereted from the IG. We now use the WG list.
13:54:59 <mkovatsc> q?
13:55:06 <DarkoAnicic> Topic: The WoT Ontology
13:55:07 <mkovatsc> ack mkovatsc
13:55:27 <DarkoAnicic> Presenters: Maria and Fernando
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13:55:57 <kaz> i|Ontology|[ all the 4 deliverable documents are WG deliverables, so should be handle on the WG side. ]|
13:56:27 <sebastian> present+ sebastian_kaebisch
13:56:34 <kaz> s/documents/documents (WoT Architecture, TD, Scripting, Binding Templates)/
13:59:15 <kaz> [ present+ Matsukura, Yingying ]
14:05:50 <DarkoAnicic> Maria: we extracted requirements from the Current Practise document, and provided an OWL ontology and HTML documentation for the ontology
14:06:19 <DarkoAnicic> Maria: the outcome is online and avilable for comments
14:07:29 <mkovatsc> q?
14:07:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:09:21 <mkovatsc> q+
14:09:26 <sebastian> q+
14:09:40 <DarkoAnicic> mjkoster: how to link this ontology with other domain specific ontologies?
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14:10:39 <DarkoAnicic> Maria: we will work on showing how to use the ontology w.r.t example use cases
14:13:16 <Yongjing> q+
14:13:33 <mkovatsc> ack mkovatsc
14:13:37 <mkovatsc> ack sebastian
14:15:01 <DarkoAnicic> sebastian: small modifications are needed to be align with the current TD model.
14:15:08 <DarkoAnicic> q+
14:15:52 <DarkoAnicic> sebastian: shell we consider the work as a starting work for the model representation?
14:17:24 <DarkoAnicic> sebastian: Maria, you are invited to the TD discussion on the basic model.
14:17:37 <kaz> q?
14:17:38 <mkovatsc> ack sebastian
14:17:46 <mkovatsc> ack sebastian
14:17:51 <mkovatsc> ack victor
14:18:38 <mkovatsc> q+
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14:26:18 <kaz> s/shell we/shall we/
14:27:15 <mkovatsc> q?
14:27:20 <mkovatsc> ack Yongjing
14:28:16 <cvelasco_Fraunhofer> Sorry, I have to leave
14:28:32 <mjkoster> q+
14:29:16 <McCool> I don't think there is any particular reason to try to divorce things from RDF
14:29:34 <McCool> at least its basic "triples" methodology
14:29:47 <DarkoAnicic> Yongjing: if take this as a starting work on the basic model representation, then we should be aware that this representation is bound to RDF
14:30:22 <mkovatsc> q?
14:30:28 <McCool> but not really to any specific serialization; that indeed should not matter, but I don't see evidence it does
14:30:53 <kaz> s/Fent/Feng/
14:30:57 <McCool> anyhow, I don't think we want to reinvent semantic technologies; we want to build on what's there already
14:34:15 <mkovatsc> ack DarkoAnicic
14:34:54 <McCool> useful <-> what are the use cases?
14:35:12 <McCool> eg. validation, bridging, etc.
14:38:02 <mkovatsc> ack mkovatsc
14:38:08 <mkovatsc> ack mjkoster
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