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16:42:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
16:42:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
16:42:05 <trackbot> Date: 22 February 2017
16:42:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
16:42:10 <janina> agenda?
16:42:14 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
16:42:14 <janina> agenda+ APA at CSUN
16:42:14 <janina> agenda+ APA Task Forces
16:42:14 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
16:42:15 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:42:17 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:42:19 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
16:42:22 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:51:20 <janina>  present+ Janina
16:51:24 <janina> Chair: Janina
17:01:08 <MichielBijl> present+
17:02:08 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
17:05:17 <janina> Regrets: John, Leonie
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17:06:19 <tdrake> present+ tdrake
17:06:39 <MichaelC> present+
17:08:52 <MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl
17:09:00 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
17:09:00 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
17:09:42 <MichielBijl> JS: Anything to add to the agenda?
17:09:56 <MichielBijl> MC: Talk about community group strategy?
17:10:22 <MichielBijl> MB: Anything about the CSS TF?
17:10:43 <MichielBijl> JS: We can have an agendum for that
17:11:05 <MichielBijl> We’ll discuss it
17:11:21 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up next item
17:11:21 <Zakim> agendum 2. "APA at CSUN" taken up [from janina]
17:11:48 <MichielBijl> JS: Think it’s only Michael and Ted there (of those on the call)?
17:11:55 <MichielBijl> JS: Sorry I won’t be there this year
17:12:02 <MichielBijl> Maybe we’ll meet around TPAC
17:12:15 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up next item
17:12:15 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, MichielBijl
17:12:20 <MichielBijl> zakim, close item 2
17:12:20 <Zakim> agendum 2, APA at CSUN, closed
17:12:21 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:12:21 <Zakim> 3. APA Task Forces [from janina]
17:12:22 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up next item
17:12:22 <Zakim> agendum 3. "APA Task Forces" taken up [from janina]
17:13:03 <MichielBijl> JS: Thank you Michael for forwarding email from Rossen
17:13:27 <MichielBijl> Given we have TFs with specific expertise
17:13:37 <MichielBijl> Would it be helpful, because we still look at all specs
17:13:59 <MichielBijl> That who within CSS has the required expertise to take those up?
17:14:11 <MichielBijl> TD: I think that sounds good
17:14:17 <MichielBijl> I did have this busy streak
17:14:53 <MichielBijl> If you know someone who is really good at Grid Layout out versus someone that is good at Animations, that would be very helpful
17:15:00 <MichielBijl> Can we track this somewhere?
17:15:08 <MichielBijl> MC: We’ve talked about it
17:15:18 <MichielBijl> Janina and I from time to time at least
17:15:29 <MichielBijl> Don’t have a doc at the moment
17:15:48 <MichielBijl> TD: Could have a spreadsheet or something like that where people can fill in their own expertise
17:16:00 <MichielBijl> MC: We have something like that, but there are a lot of gaps
17:16:04 <MichielBijl> Let me dig it up
17:16:46 <MichielBijl> TD: Doing some research on how teams do data matrix
17:17:07 <MichielBijl> See a lot of people depend on spreadsheets
17:17:27 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/Member/wiki/Accessibility_Coordination_Matrix Accessibility Coordination Matrix
17:20:26 <MichielBijl> JS: Hope to talk to Lisa and ?? about coga
17:20:56 <MichielBijl> Negotiating that they deliver it to use in a way that we can update our documents
17:21:18 <MichielBijl> We need a gap analysis that is worthy of publication
17:21:42 <MichielBijl> I think Michael and I believe that it can stand a bit more editorial work
17:23:37 <MichielBijl> JS: APIs should be doing more then what they’re doing right now
17:23:43 <MichielBijl> It’s a first public working draft
17:23:52 <MichielBijl> On the other hand it may be a definitional problem
17:24:00 <MichielBijl> She’s asking for the 25 most important features
17:24:15 <MichielBijl> Any time you mention a number it’s arbitrary
17:25:34 <MichielBijl> MC: There might be a literal confusion about what should go into an API opposed to what should go into a SC
17:26:03 <MichielBijl> JS: They’re our TFs, so we should have some oversight.
17:26:10 <MichielBijl> And make sure we get work done
17:26:42 <MichielBijl> In case of COGA it’s WCAG and us.
17:26:54 <MichielBijl> Lisa looked at the CFC and the draft
17:27:01 <MichielBijl> And took the same thinking into writing the API
17:27:27 <MichielBijl> s/??/Jason/
17:28:51 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up next item
17:28:51 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
17:29:05 <MichielBijl> action-2113
17:29:05 <trackbot> action-2113 -- Ted Drake to Review css display module level 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-display-3/ -- due 2017-02-08 -- OPEN
17:29:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2113
17:29:18 <MichielBijl> TD: Haven’t had time, please extend
17:29:41 <MichaelC> action-2113 due 2 weeks
17:29:41 <trackbot> Set action-2113 Review css display module level 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-display-3/ due date to 2017-03-08.
17:30:12 <MichielBijl> action-2070
17:30:12 <trackbot> action-2070 -- Ted Drake to Pick up the thread with https://www.w3.org/tr/css-counter-styles-3/ css counter styles level 3 on needing reply to their response to us -- due 2017-01-25 -- OPEN
17:30:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2070
17:30:26 <MichaelC> action-2070 due 2 weeks
17:30:26 <trackbot> Set action-2070 Pick up the thread with https://www.w3.org/tr/css-counter-styles-3/ css counter styles level 3 on needing reply to their response to us due date to 2017-03-08.
17:30:39 <MichaelC> action-2062 due 2 weeks
17:30:39 <trackbot> Set action-2062 Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ due date to 2017-03-08.
17:30:42 <MichielBijl> action-2062
17:30:42 <trackbot> action-2062 -- Ted Drake to Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ -- due 2017-03-08 -- OPEN
17:30:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2062
17:31:04 <MichielBijl> JS: There should be one pending review?
17:32:05 <MichielBijl> action-2107
17:32:05 <trackbot> action-2107 -- Janina Sajka to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webcryptoapi/ web cryptography api -- due 2017-02-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:32:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2107
17:32:36 <MichielBijl> MC: Close this action and review?
17:32:38 <MichielBijl> JS: I think so.
17:33:01 <MichielBijl> We could go digging through the spec
17:33:05 <MichielBijl> It’s already on TR
17:33:17 <MichielBijl> MC: Wiki page says we already missed the boat
17:33:37 <MichielBijl> I closed the action and marked it as completed
17:33:41 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up next item
17:33:41 <Zakim> agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
17:33:42 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/ilreq/ Indic Layout Requirements
17:33:42 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/clreq/ Requirements for Chinese Text Layout 中文排版需求
17:33:49 <MichielBijl> MC: There are 4 new publications
17:34:07 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-contain-1/ CSS Containment Module Level 1
17:34:20 <MichielBijl> MC: There has already been a wide review
17:34:33 <MichielBijl> Yes, it’s a first public working draft
17:34:39 <MichielBijl> But it’ll go to CR really soon
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17:35:03 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:35:39 <MichaelC> action: ted to manage review of CSS Containment Module Level 1 https://www.w3.org/TR/css-contain-1/
17:35:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2118 - Manage review of css containment module level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-contain-1/ [on Ted Drake - due 2017-03-01].
17:35:49 <MichielBijl> MC: I’m worried about this spec causing issues with zoom
17:35:51 <MichaelC> action-2118: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Containment_Module_Level_1
17:35:51 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2118 Manage review of css containment module level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-contain-1/.
17:36:09 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-timing-1/ CSS Timing Functions Level 1
17:36:12 <MichielBijl> MC: We don’t have a timeline, but they said soon™
17:36:28 <MichielBijl> MC: This one allows authors to transform animations
17:36:36 <MichielBijl> Might cause stutters or flashes
17:38:20 <MichielBijl> MB: How so? Looks a lot like transition timing function that’s already in CSS
17:38:35 <MichielBijl> You can already violate WCAG with the current implementation of animations
17:38:47 <MichielBijl> MC: Might need a section that says “beware…”
17:39:08 <MichielBijl> JS: We started to ask for notes like that in specs
17:40:31 <MichielBijl> .el { animation: flash 1s infinite } @keyframes flash { 0% {background: red;} 100% {background: yellow;} }
17:42:22 <MichielBijl> MC: If your assertion is true there might be no need for a review
17:42:37 <MichielBijl> But we might want a note or accessibility section in the animation spec
17:43:16 <MichielBijl> Recent ReSpec update asks about privacy and security section
17:43:36 <MichielBijl> Could tap into that and ask Shane to implement such a feature for accessibility sections.
17:44:23 <MichielBijl> MB: Worth remembering that most of CSS is written on Bikeshed IIRC
17:44:35 <MichielBijl> MC: Not sure how Bikeshed handles this sort of thing
17:44:47 <MichielBijl> MB: Not too familiar with it myself, so not sure either
17:44:55 <MichielBijl> MC: So should we not review this?
17:45:08 <MichielBijl> JS: Haven’t heard any strong arguments that we should
17:45:23 <MichielBijl> MC: Should we pursue a note in CSS specs?
17:45:30 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up next item
17:45:30 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
17:45:56 <MichielBijl> JS: Katie! Judie was pushing you and me to ??
17:46:10 <MichielBijl> Anything new would have to be looked at
17:46:29 <MichielBijl> We were taking the approach that we would wait for groups to actually achieve something
17:46:39 <MichielBijl> Last time we did it we had someone go through the entire list
17:47:17 <MichielBijl> MC: We used to review CGs routinely
17:47:33 <MichielBijl> At some point we started to look after a couple of months
17:47:43 <MichielBijl> And then we sort of forgot about them
17:47:52 <MichielBijl> There are a few groups that are in long term incubation
17:47:58 <MichielBijl> We should engage with them
17:48:11 <MichielBijl> I think we should do more with CGs, but don’t have proposals
17:51:48 <MichielBijl> JS: Can we come back to this after CSUN?
17:52:02 <MichielBijl> Want to approach CGs systematically
17:52:32 <MichielBijl> KS: Could we have a meeting once a month with the CGs chairs?
17:52:42 <MichielBijl> s/CGs/CG/
17:52:57 <MichielBijl> JS: Yeah, I think we want to avoid doing all the searching
17:53:08 <MichielBijl> Once a month might be a bit too frequent
17:53:18 <MichielBijl> KS: Once every two or three months could also work.
17:53:59 <MichielBijl> I can go back and go through what we had and what is still there
17:53:59 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Spec_Review/Community_Groups previous CG tracking
17:54:21 <MichielBijl> MC: Roughly 15 CGs from a year ago that we wanted to track
17:55:13 <MichielBijl> KS: Happy to update, as long as we come to the situation where we can get their chairs to agree to come to calls
17:55:26 <MichielBijl> MC: Might want to offer other ways to communicate as well
17:55:33 <MichielBijl> JS: We need to think that through
17:55:41 <MichielBijl> Let’s get back to this after CSUN
17:56:52 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up next item
17:56:52 <Zakim> agendum 7. "next and future meetings" taken up [from janina]
17:59:50 <MichielBijl> JS: We’re concerned about our comments on Web Payments not being incorporated.
18:04:09 <MichielBijl> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:04:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/22-apa-minutes.html MichielBijl
18:05:03 <MichielBijl> RRSAgent, bye
18:05:03 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/22-apa-actions.rdf :
18:05:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ted to manage review of CSS Containment Module Level 1 https://www.w3.org/TR/css-contain-1/ [1]
18:05:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/22-apa-irc#T17-35-39