IRC log of wot on 2017-02-15

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logging to
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Dave_Raggett, Kunihiko_Toumura, Takuki_Kamiya, Tony_Homer
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present+ Matthias_Kovatsch
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present+ Masato_Ohura
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scribenick: dsr
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scribenick: dsr__
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present +Johannes_Hund
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present+ Michael_Koster
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Quick Updates
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Santa Clara F2F
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Finalize Düsseldorf F2F
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New repositories
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Editors briefing
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Communications TF
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Agenda for Next WebConf
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present+ Zoltan_Kis
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We welcome Tony Homer from Intel who was invited to this call by Michael McCool.
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Thank you
13:10:38 [mkovatsc]
13:11:08 [dsr__]
Matthias starts the meeting and asks if there are any quick updates. [no one speaks up]
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Konica Minolta were due to talk today, but asked for a one week postponement.
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Similarly, I am trying to arrange a slot for Fernando Serena to present on the UPM work on a WoT ontology
13:12:28 [mkovatsc]
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Topic: Santa Clara F2F report
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-> draft Santa Clara f2f minutes
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Matthias: I posted a high level summary of the outcome from the meeting.
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-> Matthias' slides
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Mathias summarises the summary
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We’ve invited Frank to join Kajimoto-san for the servient architecture document.
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For the thing description WG spec we have Sebastian and as editors
13:18:45 [kaz]
present+ Katsuyoshi_Naka, Kazuaki_Nimura, Takeshi_Yamada, Victor_Charpenay
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s/and as/ and Taki as/
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Matthias continues with his summary of the slides for the various task forces
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present+ McCool
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The scripting spec will be edited by Johannes, Zoltan and Nimura-san
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For the binding templates the editors are Matthias and Uday (pending confirmation)
13:24:37 [dsr__]
The security task force won’t produce normative specs but will support the other task forces. We have a charter in github and now need to recruit experts to help with the work.
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We also expect to seek help via liaisons including the IETF
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Matthias continues with the Interest Group task force plans
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The Linked Data and Semantic Processing task force charter - we’re seeking feedback on the charter over the next two weeks
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Matthias walks us through the status of the various liaisons
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This includes reaching out to the OPC for their work on OPC-UA which includes a graph modelling language analogous to RDF
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We’re working with Industrie 4.0 on defining a demonstrator and hope to bring this to the next Plugfest
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OPC is also involved in I4.0 and we’re hoping for a synergy
13:36:57 [McCool]
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Matthias is looking for collaboration with the T2TRG in respect to hypermedia controls and the potential relationship to actions and error handling
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Michael McCool is talk with the OpenFog consortium which could prove relevant to our work.
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Topic: upcoming face to face meetings
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The next one is 15-19 May in Osaka, Japan
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We need to add details to the wiki and open a registration form.
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Kaz will set up a call with the meeting hosts and include the IG/WG co-chairs
13:41:05 [kaz]
action: kaz to generate wiki/registration site for the Ohsaka meeting, and set up local organizing meeting including the host and the co-Chairs
13:41:05 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-101 - Generate wiki/registration site for the ohsaka meeting, and set up local organizing meeting including the host and the co-chairs [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2017-02-22].
13:41:17 [dsr__]
The following face to face is in July in Dusseldorf, Germany hosted by Lemonbeat
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The poll results suggest 9-13 July
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This is timed to predece the IETF meeting
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The final meeting this year is 6-10 November in Burlingame, Calfornia as part of TPAC
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The following weekend is the IETF
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For 2018, we hope to co-locate with a security conference and perhaps the IETF in London, and a meeting in China
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present+ Michael_McCool
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For Osaka, we aim to have the RDF model for thing descriptions and editors draft for the WG specs.
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For Dusseldorf, a draft test suite and Internet Drafts with security concepts for IETF review
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For TPAC in November, release candidates for first public working drafts for the WG
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We hope to release W3C Candidate Recommendations by December 2018
13:49:59 [mkovatsc]
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ack Mic
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ack Mc
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Michael: I will be attending the T2TRG meeting in Amsterdam, any one else?
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Matthias: I will attend
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Matthias talks about some of the IETF security groups we should liaise with
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-> WoT WG Charter
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Michael has been talking with people inside Intel on the W3C security task force, but so far no takers as everyone is already busy with other work
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ack kaz
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Kaz: the WG charter places expectations for early publication of the architecture deliverable, so we need to make that happen
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I think the due date is June
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Matthias: I will update the roadmap accordingly and Kaz can put this up on the website
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Topic: Github repositories for the WG
13:56:49 [mkovatsc]
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Kaz has created one repository for each WG deliverable and given the editors update rights
13:57:26 [mkovatsc]
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This is a poll for the editors to pick a joint slot for coordination
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The aim is to train editors on the W3C echidina tool chain for spec publication
13:59:37 [McCool]
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ack Mc
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i/ethz/@@@links to the repos/
14:00:18 [dsr__]
Michael: there is interest in US people attending the call, but the current slot is too early.
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We’re short of US participation so this matters, and perhaps we can alternatve calls to even out the pain
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Michael suggests one hour later than now as a possible compromise, or alternating the time slots
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Matthias: alternativing slots tends to result in people only attending the calls that suit them
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Kaz: similar challenge for auto group, we try to pick the timeslot for next call at the end of the current call
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(and losing people because they are confused)
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Johannes: we tried alternating slots in the IG and it caused considerable confusion, but good ICS files help with people’s calendards
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Michael: a good reminder system helps, and to pick somewhat inconvenient but not horrible times to encourage regular participation
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rrsagent, make log public
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ack mk
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate kaz
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Matthias: we should set up a poll to see what is the best compromise
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Michael: we should forward the poll to folks at the plugfest and others who may be interested in atttending if the time is more convenient
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s/who/who are not yet members, but/
14:08:36 [mkovatsc]
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Matthias asks Michael to organise the poll
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We need to clarify IG vs WG calls
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ack ds
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Michael: prefer to focus on IG call for now
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Kaz: so maybe this call continues as a joint IG/WG call, but WG Task Force calls should be WG members only
14:12:10 [mkovatsc]
14:12:32 [dsr__]
This relates to patent policy commitments for REC track items
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Matthias: we have a joint IG/WG status tracking call, and WG only calls for each WG task force
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ack mk
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Johannes: we need to accomodate the people who are in the task forces, but need to reachout to others
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Matthias adjourns today’s call
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chair: Matthias
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate dsr__
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