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19:51:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:51:31 <trackbot> Date: 08 February 2017
19:56:16 <eparsons> Present+ eparsons
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19:56:45 <eparsons> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon201700208
19:56:55 <eparsons> Chair: eparsons
19:57:14 <eparsons> Regrets: Rachel, SimonCox
19:57:23 <eparsons> Regrets: Byron, Clemens, Raphaël, Matt, Claus
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19:58:34 <eparsons> thanks
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20:00:22 <Zakim> Present: eparsons, LarsG, phila
20:00:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see ScottSimmons, Linda, billroberts, LarsG, jtandy, BartvanLeeuwen, phila, Zakim, RRSAgent, eparsons, AndreaPerego, hadleybeeman, trackbot
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20:01:39 <AndreaPerego> Evening, everyone.
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20:02:26 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:04:26 <phila> eparsons: We can get going...
20:04:28 <eparsons> Topic : Approve last week's minutes
20:04:33 <phila> Topic: Preliminaries
20:04:38 <eparsons> https://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-sdw-minutes
20:04:44 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-sdw-minutes Minutes from 2 weeks ago
20:04:47 <jtandy> +1
20:04:50 <Linda> =1
20:04:53 <LarsG> +1
20:04:53 <Linda> +1
20:05:02 <phila> +1
20:05:03 <ScottSimmons> +0
20:05:13 <billroberts> 0 (wasn't there)
20:05:16 <DanhLePhuoc> +1
20:05:22 <eparsons> RESOLUTION : Approve last week's minutes
20:05:28 <eparsons> Topic : Patent Call
20:05:30 <kerry> +1
20:05:36 <eparsons> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
20:06:38 <eparsons> Topic : Best Practice: vote to publish Latest Working Draft
20:06:50 <eparsons> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/
20:07:04 <phila> eparsons: Anything else to say, Linda, Jeremy?
20:07:04 <jtandy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2017Feb/0079.html
20:07:09 <phila> jtandy: The e-mail..
20:07:28 <phila> ... Lists the changes. We've done stuff on the summary (We = Clemens)
20:07:40 <phila> ... BP7 updated
20:08:07 <phila> jtandy: The section on authoritative URLs has been pushed to BP14
20:08:11 <phila> ... BP 17 removed
20:08:24 <phila> ... Understand that Byron has been overtaken by events
20:08:42 <phila> ... Not a huge no.of change but we're keeping to the schedule of regular releases.
20:09:00 <phila> ... As BartvanLeeuwen is here - this time we have included his work. Thank you Bart.
20:09:08 <phila> eparsons: Any questions and issues?
20:09:11 <jtandy> q?
20:09:26 <phila> eparsons: we have some positive votes from people not here
20:09:30 <eparsons> PROPOSED: That the editors current draft of the SSN doc at w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/ be published by W3C and OGC as the next iteration
20:09:33 <jtandy> +1
20:09:36 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:09:37 <Linda> +1
20:09:37 <LarsG> +1
20:09:48 <jtandy> -1
20:09:51 <Linda> -1
20:09:59 <eparsons> +1PROPOSED: That the editors current draft of the doc at w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/ be published by W3C and OGC as the next iteration
20:10:01 <LarsG> -1
20:10:08 <Linda> +1
20:10:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
20:10:13 <jtandy> +1
20:10:14 <kerry> +1
20:10:15 <ScottSimmons> +1
20:10:15 <AndreaPerego> ??
20:10:19 <billroberts> +1
20:10:22 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:10:30 <DanhLePhuoc> +1
20:10:32 <eparsons> +1
20:10:41 <LarsG> s/-1//
20:10:45 <LarsG> +1
20:11:07 <eparsons> RESOLVED : That the editors current draft of the doc at w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/ be published by W3C and OGC as the next iteration
20:11:20 <AndreaPerego> \o/
20:11:20 <eparsons> Congratulations and Thanks to the Editors !!!
20:11:36 <phila> jtandy: Thanks everyone. Lots more to do and vote on in Delft.
20:11:48 <phila> ... Next sprint is the last one with any substantive changes
20:11:57 <billroberts> q+
20:12:02 <eparsons> ack next
20:12:09 <phila> ... If we suggest that you help us with an item, please help us.
20:12:39 <phila> billroberts: I've been too busy or having too much fun to help but that's all over so I should be able to offer some time now.
20:13:10 <phila> jtandy: Remember how you've made your choices about vocabs and splits between RDF and others - that's important
20:13:20 <phila> q+
20:13:29 <eparsons> Kerry how is it going ?
20:13:31 <Linda> q+
20:13:32 <eparsons> ack next
20:14:51 <eparsons> ack next
20:15:21 <phila> phila: Recounted how DWBP tweeted about implementations of DWBP - which amplified the signal nicelyr
20:15:37 <jtandy> q+
20:15:40 <phila> Linda: We're interested to know how well the idea  of sprints works
20:15:41 <eparsons> ack next
20:15:58 <phila> jtandy: I'd say we were realistic in what we could achieve in a sprint
20:16:01 <phila> ... Realism was good.
20:16:14 <phila> ... The F2F time in London was very valuable
20:16:30 <phila> ... We'll be challenged to get so much done in this next sprint
20:16:44 <phila> eparsons: The F2F always helps
20:16:53 <phila> ... And you're more focused
20:17:03 <phila> eparsons: Any more comments on BP?
20:17:07 <phila> [Nope]
20:17:10 <eparsons> Topic: Update on Coverages activities
20:17:12 <phila> eparsons: Thanks again to the editors
20:17:28 <phila> eparsons: Been a while since we discussed coverages
20:17:36 <phila> ... So where are we, Bill?
20:18:00 <phila> billroberts: Coverage connoisseurs know there were 3 docs.
20:18:15 <phila> ... QB4ST and EO-QB docs went to FPWWD in early Jan
20:18:22 <phila> ... Both are not far off being final.
20:18:42 <phila> ... Maybe a certain element of dependency on the BP doc
20:19:06 <phila> ... I've not had a chance to talk to the authors of those since I came back.
20:19:22 <phila> ... Confident that they will reach a final version within a suitable time frame.
20:19:57 <phila> ... CoverageJSON we decided to delay putting into FPWD as there is some uncertainty over whether it should be an OGC/W3C doc or not.
20:20:25 <phila> ... Feeling is for now it will stay on covjson.org with a CC licence. Doc from this WG will refer to that spec.
20:20:39 <phila> ... So there's not a huge amount to do to the doc to get it to FPWD
20:21:09 <phila> ... Haven't talked about imminent availability. Might be possible to get ready for a vote in either 2 or 4 weeks.
20:21:34 <phila> ... It's a while since we had a call. Will try and convene one for (this time) next week.
20:21:35 <jtandy> q+ to ask something related to BP
20:21:39 <phila> eparsons: Comments or questions?
20:21:43 <eparsons> ack next
20:21:44 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask something related to BP
20:22:01 <phila> jtandy: Thanks for the update. Sounds like progress...
20:22:18 <phila> ... Off topic. I saw Lars comments about the references disappearing
20:22:28 <kerry> q+ to suggest eo-qb could be ready for another vote in that timeframe
20:22:29 <phila> ... I load in 2 browsers. It stopped loading the ReSpec stuff
20:23:41 <Linda> It works in my browser...
20:24:21 <jtandy>     <script class="remove" src="http://www.w3.org/Tools/respec/respec-w3c-common"></script>
20:24:48 <jtandy> line 7 index.html
20:24:53 <phila> phila: If the address of the doc is https, so should respec be
20:24:57 <LarsG> q+ talk about https everywhere
20:25:06 <LarsG> q+ to talk about https everywhere
20:25:20 <eparsons> ack next
20:25:21 <Zakim> kerry, you wanted to suggest eo-qb could be ready for another vote in that timeframe
20:25:30 <kerry> wanted to say to billroberts
20:25:37 <kerry> that we could coordinate
20:25:46 <kerry> ...a fresh eo-qb as well
20:25:48 <kerry> in a few weeks
20:25:50 <kerry> over
20:26:32 <kerry> i am finished -- please dpont wait more!
20:26:33 <eparsons> thanks kerry all done ?
20:26:33 <billroberts> thanks kerry - will follow up by email but sounds good
20:26:44 <eparsons> ack next
20:26:45 <Zakim> LarsG, you wanted to talk about https everywhere
20:27:06 <phila> LarsG: I wanted to say that my FireFox prob might be that I have https everywhere installed.
20:27:55 <eparsons> Topic: Update on SSN
20:28:42 <eparsons> phila: lots of email traffic
20:29:07 <eparsons> phila: Not all on the same page rather heated...
20:29:39 <eparsons> phila : some progress but still fundamental differences within group
20:29:56 <eparsons> phila: Need for 2 namespaces one such issue
20:30:28 <Linda> q+
20:30:30 <eparsons> phila: Chance of rec 50:50 only at the moment due to time constraints
20:30:34 <eparsons> ack next
20:31:02 <phila> Linda: Not active in Time or SSN, but Geonovum is interested in their progress
20:31:17 <phila> ... Maybe we can help as a neutral observer
20:31:48 <eparsons> phila: issues need summarising
20:33:17 <phila> eparsons: Concerned that there are such fundamental issues. If we can't address that then it's going to be a challenge
20:34:47 <phila> phila: Armin is trying hard to steer the group
20:35:47 <jtandy> q+
20:36:00 <eparsons> ack next
20:36:05 <phila> eparsons: It's a specialised topic and if you're not into it, it's hard to contribute
20:36:05 <phila> ]
20:36:06 <Linda> q+
20:36:44 <eparsons> ack next
20:37:16 <phila> Linda: Yes, it's specialised, but the question over 1 or 23 namespaces is not specialist
20:37:26 <phila> phila: +1 to Linda
20:38:57 <phila> eparsons: So let's see what we can all do. We don't want people falling out.
20:39:50 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
20:40:13 <Linda> s/23/2
20:40:24 <phila> kerry: Lots of issues about the integration of SSN with the core, known as SOSA
20:40:33 <phila> ... Those are being worked through
20:40:50 <phila> ... There's a kind of self-appointed sub group putting solutions on the table
20:41:02 <phila> ... String personalities not liking some bits and then people fall over
20:41:18 <phila> ... Work better with chair appointed cf. self appointed
20:41:24 <phila> s/string/strong/
20:41:25 <jtandy> s/String/String/
20:41:34 <jtandy> s/String/Strong/
20:41:48 <phila> kerry: Lots of issues in the tracker, often interrelated, but starting to come together
20:42:07 <phila> ... All just about ontologies, not the spec. We're due for a new doc.
20:42:08 <eparsons> q+
20:42:21 <eparsons> ack next
20:42:23 <phila> kerry: I wouldn't write it off.
20:43:10 <phila> BartvanLeeuwen: At the beginning of the WG, we sped things up by creating sub groups.
20:43:28 <phila> ... It sounds as if we have an obligation to bring this into the main WWG again if things are not going as well as it could
20:43:35 <kerry> q+ to speak on barts commnets
20:43:38 <jtandy> s/WWG/WG/
20:43:43 <eparsons> ack next
20:43:45 <eparsons> ack next
20:43:46 <Zakim> kerry, you wanted to speak on barts commnets
20:44:00 <phila> kerry: That has been suggested, mostly by me. It's not well received
20:44:12 <phila> ... The times of the meeting are bad
20:44:21 <phila> ... And it's a bit of a specialist topic
20:44:22 <phila> q+
20:44:38 <phila> kerry: I have no objection, but it may not work for other people
20:44:38 <eparsons> ack next
20:44:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
20:46:16 <phila> phila: Repeats Linda's offer of help
20:46:33 <phila> kerry: Personally I'd like that
20:46:40 <phila> kerry: How do we do it?
20:46:42 <DanhLePhuoc> +q
20:46:58 <phila> eparsons: I suggest you identify the issues you're struggling with
20:47:11 <phila> ... send to the whole group and ask for help.
20:47:17 <jtandy> +1 to @eparsons' proposal
20:47:18 <phila> kerry: I'll talk to Armin
20:47:20 <eparsons> ack next
20:47:33 <Linda> +1 to eparsons
20:48:06 <phila> BartvanLeeuwen: We don't like to have non-SSN people commenting sounds like mutiny. The specs - the WG - bears all our names.
20:48:08 <eparsons> ack next
20:48:48 <phila> DanhLePhuoc: I'll add that the way... I had to step back... not everyone's respecting Armin's role, which is a pity.
20:49:03 <phila> ... So I'm all for resolutions in the plenary.
20:49:27 <phila> ... What I see in several meetings - the chair can't always get through the agenda
20:49:33 <phila> ... People jumping in all the time
20:50:01 <phila> ... I hope that will help move things forward.
20:50:27 <phila> eparsons: I know it might be a hassle to others, we could think about moving the plenary to a different time
20:50:33 <Linda> BartvanLeeuwen has a point - SSN is a product of this WG so we're all in a way responsible
20:50:46 <phila> DanhLePhuoc: It doesn't have to be a lot of effort to bring things to the plenary
20:51:01 <phila> q+
20:51:06 <eparsons> ack next
20:51:22 <kerry> q+
20:51:36 <eparsons> ack next
20:51:42 <DanhLePhuoc> +1 to Phil
20:52:11 <phila> kerry: We've had push back on the whole WG taking a role in the SSN work
20:52:20 <phila> phila: It's not optional - the whole WG is responsible
20:53:20 <phila> PROPOSED: That the SSN Sub Group bring specific issues to the plenary where the whole WG will do their best to help. Remembering that all publications are made in the whole WG's name.
20:54:38 <phila> jtandy: If there has been a discussion in the SSN, part of what's needed for the WG to help, is that a summary needs to be made of the opposing views.
20:54:51 <phila> ... So that the whole WG can take a view on the specifics
20:55:07 <phila> eparsons: Is the proposal OK to everyone?
20:55:17 <phila> s/specific issues/blocking issues/
20:55:21 <Linda> +1
20:55:23 <BartvanLeeuwen> ++1
20:55:23 <kerry> +1
20:55:25 <eparsons> +1
20:55:25 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:55:27 <LarsG> +1
20:55:28 <billroberts> +1
20:55:28 <ScottSimmons> +1
20:55:28 <phila> [NOTUC]
20:55:30 <DanhLePhuoc> +1
20:55:31 <jtandy> [specific issues = blocking issues]
20:55:33 <jtandy> +1
20:55:49 <eparsons> Topic : Upcoming F2F in Delft agenda bashing
20:55:51 <phila> RESOLUTION: That the SSN Sub Group bring blocking issues to the plenary where the whole WG will do their best to help. Remembering that all publications are made in the whole WG's name.
20:56:04 <phila> eparsons: much discussion around the timetable of this.
20:56:21 <phila> ... The info suggests that it should be Monday and Tuesday
20:56:29 <eparsons> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Attending_F2F6
20:56:38 <phila> ... It would be helpful if everyone can update the wiki table
20:56:50 <phila> ... Then Greg (OGC) can handle registrations.
20:56:59 <jtandy> q+ to ask if I need to register for the OGC TC?
20:57:12 <phila> eparsons: The Monday will focus on BP, as Jeremy can't be there Tuesday.
20:57:32 <eparsons> ack next
20:57:33 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask if I need to register for the OGC TC?
20:57:35 <phila> eparsons: Registration will be done for just the SDW meeting, you don't need to register for the overall OGC event.
20:57:41 <phila> jtandy: That saves me doing stuff
20:57:49 <Linda> q+
20:57:53 <eparsons> ack next
20:58:03 <phila> eparsons: We can work out how to use our time
20:58:12 <phila> Linda: So do we miss the opening plenary?
20:58:20 <phila> ... I'm due to speak for 3 minutes
20:58:20 <billroberts> q+
20:58:23 <phila> q+
20:58:24 <eparsons> ack next
20:58:38 <phila> billroberts: What's the OGC event?
20:58:45 <phila> eparsons: The Technical Committee meeting
20:59:09 <phila> billroberts: I have something else on that Monday
20:59:13 <eparsons> ack next
20:59:15 <phila> ... But can be there Tuesday.
20:59:47 <eparsons> rrsagent, draft minutes
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21:00:18 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx guys
21:00:23 <jtandy> bye
21:00:27 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
21:00:28 <LarsG> Bye
21:00:31 <billroberts> bye!
21:00:35 <eparsons> bye thanks phila
21:00:46 <kerry> bye!
21:01:00 <eparsons> rrsagent, draft minutes
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21:01:01 <phila> phila: Can't be there Monday morning but may *fly* on that afternoon to get there ASAP.
21:01:08 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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