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15:49:03 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
15:49:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:49:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:49:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:49:09 <trackbot> Date: 02 February 2017
15:49:09 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
15:49:29 <addison> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Jan/0023.html
15:49:34 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:49:37 <addison> ScribeNick: addison
15:49:43 <addison> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:49:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:49:52 <addison> agenda+ Agenda
15:49:56 <addison> agenda+ Action Items
15:50:00 <addison> agenda+ Info Share
15:50:07 <addison> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
15:50:32 <addison> agenda+ For internal review: Styling vertical Chinese, Japanese,  Korean and Mongolian text
15:50:41 <addison> agenda+ Proposal to move International Text Layout and Typography Index to FPWD
15:50:48 <addison> agenda+ Charmod-Norm comments
15:50:57 <addison> agenda+ Definition of String in WHATWG
15:51:07 <addison> agenda+ Issues to close
15:51:20 <addison> agenda+ publication of Counter Styles note
15:51:33 <addison> Regrets+ Steve
15:51:36 <addison> Regrets+ Felix
15:51:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:01:39 <r12a> zakimm, who's here?
16:02:17 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:02:17 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
16:02:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, addison, r12a, csarven, bigbluehat, koji, fantasai, rhiaro, trackbot
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16:02:41 <r12a> present+
16:02:43 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:02:43 <Zakim> Present: r12a
16:02:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see Klensin, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, csarven, bigbluehat, koji, fantasai, rhiaro, trackbot
16:03:29 <addison> Present+ Addison
16:05:50 <addison> Present+ JcK
16:06:00 <addison> Present+ David
16:06:16 <addison> agenda?
16:06:23 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:06:23 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
16:07:06 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:07:06 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
16:07:24 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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16:08:53 <addison> action-581?
16:08:53 <trackbot> action-581 -- Richard Ishida to Send vertical article for wide review after getting final feedback and fixing the issue styling -- due 2017-01-26 -- OPEN
16:08:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/581
16:09:13 <addison> action-582?
16:09:13 <trackbot> action-582 -- Richard Ishida to Sort out justification text on typography document -- due 2017-01-26 -- OPEN
16:09:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/582
16:09:17 <addison> close action-582
16:09:17 <trackbot> Closed action-582.
16:09:48 <addison> action-584?
16:09:48 <trackbot> action-584 -- Richard Ishida to Send note to www-international announcing switching to github digests and set up the digests -- due 2017-02-02 -- OPEN
16:09:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/584
16:09:54 <addison> close action-584
16:09:54 <trackbot> Closed action-584.
16:10:02 <addison> richard: how are we likiing it?
16:10:06 <addison> addison: liking a lot
16:10:12 <addison> jck: +1
16:10:24 <addison> richard: option of also weekly, add that too?
16:10:51 <addison> ... would go tuesdays at 6PM UTC...
16:12:59 <addison> action: richard: set up weekly digest of github in advance of the teleconference to send to the public-i18n-core list
16:13:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-587 - Set up weekly digest of github in advance of the teleconference to send to the public-i18n-core list [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-02-09].
16:14:01 <addison> action-585?
16:14:01 <trackbot> action-585 -- Richard Ishida to Move the justification materials to separate article and point to it from typography document -- due 2017-02-02 -- OPEN
16:14:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/585
16:14:05 <addison> close action-585
16:14:05 <trackbot> Closed action-585.
16:14:37 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
16:14:37 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
16:14:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:14:57 <addison> richard: member of Arabic Layout TF raised issue against chrome
16:15:01 <addison> ... for counter styles
16:15:23 <addison> ... you could star that issue to support it getting fixed
16:15:29 <r12a> https://t.co/jIOiYtVNFY
16:15:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:15:53 <addison> richard: put together tests
16:16:08 <addison> ... coutner styles tests
16:16:08 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/counter-styles
16:16:13 <addison> s/coutner/counter/
16:16:22 <addison> ... previous tests just did the predefined list
16:16:36 <addison> ... needed tests for customized styles
16:16:40 <addison> ... now have some at above link
16:16:50 <addison> ... only FF supports at the moment :-(
16:16:57 <addison> addison: ticket other browsers?
16:17:57 <addison> action: addison: file additional tickets for support of predefined counter styles against remaining browsers
16:17:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-588 - File additional tickets for support of predefined counter styles against remaining browsers [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-02-09].
16:18:10 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
16:18:10 <Zakim> agendum 4. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from addison]
16:18:28 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
16:20:39 <addison> TTML2
16:20:50 <addison> richard: focusing on ruby stuff just now
16:20:53 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
16:21:30 <addison> richard: hebrew tf, working on charter
16:21:39 <addison> ... process bump, working through
16:21:57 <addison> ... making github repo, etc.
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16:22:07 <addison> ... by mid next week have a tf in place
16:23:45 <addison> agenda?
16:24:44 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
16:24:44 <Zakim> agendum 10. "publication of Counter Styles note" taken up [from addison]
16:25:02 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Feb/0002.html
16:25:11 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/predefined-counter-styles/
16:25:19 <addison> richard: added a couple of arabic styles
16:25:37 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/predefined-counter-styles/commits/gh-pages
16:25:49 <addison> ... and pointed to christof päper's site
16:25:54 <addison> ... closed most issues
16:26:36 <addison> addison: doing this the right way? should we externalize the styles?
16:26:47 <addison> richard: can publish as often as we like as a Note
16:27:50 <najib> q+
16:27:56 <addison> ack najib
16:28:13 <addison> najib: about counter style
16:28:22 <najib> Would suggest that you also add The WP-hijai (in the table) as "Arabic-alphabetic" countee-style.
16:28:48 <addison> richard: would like to have arabic-tf discuss a little
16:29:08 <addison> ... I'm unclear if hijai is order vs. a counter style?
16:29:37 <addison> ... example is swedish and french use of alpha counters vs. their dictionary order
16:30:07 <addison> najib: taught in school, okay, will look into if used in lists
16:31:33 <addison> move to publish as a Note
16:31:49 <addison> +1
16:31:51 <David> +1
16:31:53 <r12a> +1
16:31:56 <Klensin> +1
16:31:58 <najib> +1
16:32:01 <addison> so resolved
16:32:16 <addison> agenda?
16:32:22 <najib> q+
16:32:30 <addison> ack najib
16:33:20 <addison> addison: any text in SOTD about plans to update regularly
16:33:25 <addison> richard: no can put some
16:33:56 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
16:33:56 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Proposal to move International Text Layout and Typography Index to FPWD" taken up [from addison]
16:34:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:34:10 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/
16:34:26 <addison> richard: key changes, two sets
16:34:37 <addison> ... took out fantasai's text about justifiation in several scripts
16:34:44 <addison> ... put in separate article
16:34:55 <addison> ... some email since
16:35:29 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/justification.en
16:35:37 <addison> ... don't want to publish her's for wide review until approved
16:35:55 <addison> ... longer, added things to it
16:36:05 <addison> ... think we shouldnt wait
16:36:20 <addison> ... publish index doc as fpwd
16:36:24 <addison> richard: second change
16:36:32 <addison> ... had some links. two docs
16:36:35 <addison> ... one is a checklist
16:36:38 <addison> ... and this doc
16:36:46 <addison> ... links to issues rather than to topics
16:37:09 <addison> ... links in checklist pointing to request for info, such as "how does korean do ine break"
16:37:14 <addison> ... worried about it
16:37:23 <addison> ... lists of issues grow/shrink all the time
16:37:42 <addison> ... so made standard links under issues
16:37:43 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/#text_decoration
16:38:18 <addison> richard: links points to github issues lists
16:38:40 <addison> ... this way requests for information or requests for impl can grow and shrink
16:38:55 <addison> that's mighty clever
16:40:57 <addison> move to publish as FPWD
16:41:00 <najib> +1
16:41:01 <addison> +1
16:41:06 <r12a> +1
16:41:08 <David> +1
16:41:11 <Klensin> +1
16:41:14 <addison> so resolved
16:41:29 <addison> action: richard: publish typography index as FPWD
16:41:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-589 - Publish typography index as fpwd [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-02-09].
16:41:34 <addison> agenda?
16:42:23 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
16:42:23 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Issues to close" taken up [from addison]
16:42:51 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Jan/0024.html
16:43:34 <addison> richard: significant rewrite of uievents
16:43:46 <addison> ... they made a strong effort to address our comments
16:43:56 <addison> ... changes to U+ notation
16:44:02 <addison> ... made a signfiicant difference
16:45:25 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/343
16:47:56 <addison> action: addison: follow up on html issue 343 wording and reopen if necessary
16:47:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-590 - Follow up on html issue 343 wording and reopen if necessary [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-02-09].
16:48:22 <najib> present+
16:48:52 <addison> action: richard: re-check letter spacing in css-text issues for closure
16:48:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-591 - Re-check letter spacing in css-text issues for closure [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-02-09].
16:49:15 <addison> richard: closed the uievents one
16:49:20 <addison> agenda?
16:49:30 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
16:49:30 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Charmod-Norm comments" taken up [from addison]
16:49:55 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/
16:50:08 <r12a> ACTION: Richard to close UIEvents issues with close tag
16:50:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-592 - Close uievents issues with close tag [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-02-09].
16:50:57 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/#matchingAlgorithm
16:52:33 <addison> addison: needs an implementation
16:55:24 <addison> <jck throws the unexploded bomb of emoji comparison>
16:56:51 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/charmod-norm/issues
16:57:34 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/charmod-norm/issues/78
16:58:13 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/charmod-norm/issues/54
17:02:04 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:02:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-minutes.html r12a
17:02:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-minutes.html addison
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17:03:02 <addison> s/likiing/liking/
17:03:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-minutes.html addison
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22:01:56 <addison> zakim, bye
22:01:56 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been r12a, Addison, JcK, David, najib
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22:01:59 <addison> rrsagent, bye
22:01:59 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-actions.rdf :
22:01:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: set up weekly digest of github in advance of the teleconference to send to the public-i18n-core list [1]
22:01:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-irc#T16-12-59
22:01:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: file additional tickets for support of predefined counter styles against remaining browsers [2]
22:01:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-irc#T16-17-57
22:01:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: publish typography index as FPWD [3]
22:01:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-irc#T16-41-29
22:01:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: follow up on html issue 343 wording and reopen if necessary [4]
22:01:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-irc#T16-47-56
22:01:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: re-check letter spacing in css-text issues for closure [5]
22:01:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-irc#T16-48-52
22:01:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Richard to close UIEvents issues with close tag [6]
22:01:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-i18n-irc#T16-50-08