16:10:22 RRSAgent has joined #hcls 16:10:22 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/01/31-hcls-irc 16:10:24 RRSAgent, make logs world 16:10:25 Zakim has joined #hcls 16:10:26 Zakim, this will be HCLS 16:10:26 ok, trackbot 16:10:27 Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference 16:10:27 Date: 31 January 2017 16:10:49 Chair: David Booth 16:11:02 Topic: owl:Ontology declaration in FHIR instance data 16:12:36 harold: ont name had to be different from the subject name. protege doesn't like something being both a person and an ontology. 16:13:08 ... Protege reasoner barely works with what we're doing. Depends on order of imports -- very fragile. 16:15:34 SWITCHING TO SKYPE -- notify us here in IRC if you are trying to join! 16:16:19 harold: Protege insists on going to the web for imports, and its behavior depends on the sequence of buttons you push. 16:16:59 ACTION: Harold to document the owl importing sequence needed to make it work, so that David can add it to the web pages 16:16:59 Created ACTION-75 - Document the owl importing sequence needed to make it work, so that david can add it to the web pages [on Harold Solbrig - due 2017-02-07]. 16:18:36 harold: Barely handles bnodes, it displays them correctly, but if anything goes wrong and you look at individual nodes, protege complains of invalid names for individuals. 16:19:06 ... We can demonstrate this all works, but it is fragile. When it doesn't work we don't know why. 16:19:58 ... A simple soln to the owl:Ontology declaration problem might be to declare another format, for example we could serve fhir.owl to include that declaration (instead of fhir.ttl). 16:21:18 ... I plan to spend a little more time on this because we plan to submit a paper on it. 16:23:45 dbooth: Would rather not add an fhir.owl format in addition to fhir.ttl unless someone shows a need for it. 16:25:25 harold: Editing fhir.ttl disk file, there is a sequence of steps that works predictably, if the order of imports is right. Disk file had owl:Ontology statement AND two import statements, and that worked. 16:26:47 ... But i wanted to move my import statements to my use case, and that didn't work. Behavior depends on order of imports. 16:28:09 harold: fhir.ttl from the FHIR site is OWL Full. Need to pare it down to EL. 16:29:05 ... We currently need everything except fhir:value, fhir:nodeType and fhir:index and fhir:div to be declared as objectProperties. But at the moment we don't use domains, ranges or cardinalities. 16:29:31 ... My goal is to start with the minimum and see how much of that we can add and still make the reasoner work. 16:30:46 dbooth: Please call yours fhirmin.ttl just to avoid confusion 16:31:51 harold: if in diagexample.ttl I include an ont decl, and import fhirmin.ttl then it shouldn't matter where you import fhirmin.ttl, but it does matter. 16:32:21 ... If I remove the import statement from diagexample.ttl then i get different results. 16:33:44 dbooth: If there is a predictable sequence that makes it work then let's start with that. 16:34:03 harold: Yes, I have one, but it also depends on the timing of button pushing. 16:43:02 protege supposedly is doing better on serialization: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2017Jan/0099.html 16:43:12 hsolbrig has joined #hcls 16:43:28 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2017Jan/0099.html 16:48:36 ACTION: Eric to ask protege folks to have a hacking session around AMIA timeframe when Harold and Eric are in CA 16:48:36 Created ACTION-76 - Ask protege folks to have a hacking session around amia timeframe when harold and eric are in ca [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2017-02-07]. 16:50:39 eric: I made FDA data work -- downloadable, it worked. 16:50:56 Topic: Updating the FHIR examples to include owl:Ontology and owl:imports declarations 16:51:56 dbooth: Time to update the examples? 16:52:25 eric: Need to come up with URLs for the owl:Ontology statement 16:53:30 harold: protege does not want the subject and ont to be the same URL. But we could add .owl onto the end. 16:55:45 dbooth: Do we know that a FHIR resource URL must never end with a / or a fragID? 16:56:04 eric: i think so, if we restrict ourselves to the LD set. 16:59:31 ACTION: Harold to find the FHIR resource URI regex 16:59:31 Created ACTION-77 - Find the fhir resource uri regex [on Harold Solbrig - due 2017-02-07]. 17:00:32 Topic: Draft new FHIR Linked Data module page 17:00:33 http://dbooth.org/2017/ld.html 17:00:49 please take a look and give me any feedback/suggestions 17:02:43 ADJOURNED 17:03:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:03:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/31-hcls-minutes.html dbooth 17:03:30 Present: EricP, David Booth, Harold Solbrig 17:03:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:03:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/31-hcls-minutes.html dbooth 19:16:55 Zakim has left #hcls