19:53:34 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #sdw
19:53:34 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-sdw-irc
19:53:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
19:53:36 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #sdw
19:53:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SDW
19:53:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
19:53:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:53:39 <trackbot> Date: 25 January 2017
19:54:51 <sefki_kolozali> sefki_kolozali has joined #sdw
19:56:23 <kerry> chair: kerry
19:56:26 <kerry> prent+ kerry
19:56:55 <kerry> present+ kerry
19:57:16 <kerry> regrets+ Raul
19:57:25 <kerry> regrets+ Lars
19:57:30 <kerry> regrets+ simoncox
19:58:45 <sefki_kolozali> present+
19:58:51 <phila> regrets+ Ed
19:58:53 <kerry> regrets+ Scott
19:59:04 <phila> present+
19:59:31 <kerry> regrets+ Bart
19:59:38 <Linda> Linda has joined #sdw
20:00:16 <phila> chair: Kerry
20:00:27 <kerry> regrets+ Chris
20:00:55 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170125
20:01:04 <phila> scribe: PhilA
20:01:04 <kerry> regrets+ Josh
20:01:08 <phila> scribeNick: phila
20:01:23 <jtandy> jtandy has joined #sdw
20:01:25 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:01:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:01:38 <LarsG> LarsG has joined #sdw
20:01:54 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
20:02:02 <DanhLePhuoc> DanhLePhuoc has joined #sdw
20:02:04 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:02:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:03:06 <phila> -> https://assets.atdw-online.com.au/images/Original__9279502_2539_Pigeon_House_Mtn_2_x993vva.jpg?rect=39,0,597,448&w=280&h=210 Pigeon House
20:03:20 <LarsG> present+ LarsG
20:03:28 <tidoust> tidoust has joined #sdw
20:03:35 <DanhLePhuoc> present+ DanhLePhuoc
20:04:04 <sefki_kolozali> what is the password for the web ex application?
20:04:11 <Linda> sdw
20:04:16 <phila> Topic: Previous call minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/01/11-sdw-minutes
20:04:25 <phila> s/sdw//
20:05:11 <jtandy> present+ jtandy
20:05:19 <Linda> present+ Linda
20:05:30 <tidoust> present+ tidoust
20:05:32 <MattPerry> MattPerry has joined #sdw
20:05:50 <MattPerry> present+ MattPerry
20:05:56 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego has joined #sdw
20:07:01 <tidoust_> tidoust_ has joined #sdw
20:07:46 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
20:08:57 <phila> kerry: Any probs with the previous minutes
20:08:59 <kerry> topic: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/01/11-sdw-minutes
20:09:01 <AndreaPerego> Just a note: The last minutes are missing most of the regrets - something seems to be gone amiss.
20:09:11 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/01/11-sdw-minutes 11 Jan
20:09:19 <kerry> NOTUC
20:09:35 <phila> Topic: Patent Call https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
20:10:02 <kerry> topic: OWL Time: vote to publish Working Draft http://w3c.github.io/sdw/time/ Please review and comment prior to the meeting. Please cast your vote by reply-all to this email beforehand if you cannot attend the meeting.
20:10:14 <tidoust__> tidoust__ has joined #sdw
20:10:38 <phila> kerry: We had some comments in the last week
20:10:43 <phila> ... Nit a huge number
20:10:49 <phila> s/Nit?Not/
20:10:51 <phila> s/Nit/Not/
20:10:59 <jtandy> q+
20:11:03 <kerry> ack fta
20:11:09 <kerry> ack jtandy
20:11:26 <phila> jtandy: On behalf of Chris... I'm happy with Simon's changes and happy for WD to go for public comment.
20:11:33 <phila> ... But he's content with moving on the doc
20:11:51 <phila> jtandy: If Chris is happy, ,Im haPPY
20:11:52 <phila> q+
20:11:58 <kerry> ack phila
20:12:20 <kerry> phila: notes there  are still a few open issues
20:12:35 <sefki_kolozali> q+
20:12:44 <kerry> .... and I looked up the issue of internationalisation review
20:12:58 <kerry> ...I had asked some time ago but had not seen a reply
20:13:00 <phila> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2017Jan/0156.html On i18n
20:13:10 <kerry> ... checked with Richars Ishido
20:13:24 <kerry> ...but the reply went to their own email list so we missed it
20:13:38 <kerry> ...was a comment by an individual not the gropu as a whole
20:14:05 <kerry> ....but they did point out some real issues that are noted on this attached link
20:14:06 <AndreaPerego> s/,Im haPPY/, I'm happy./
20:14:13 <kerry> ...so the doc is not finsihed
20:14:22 <jtandy> q+
20:14:27 <kerry> ... but good for now as a WD
20:14:38 <kerry> act jtandy
20:14:43 <kerry> ack jtandy
20:14:46 <phila> jtandy: On behalf of Chris, it would be good to action him to resolve those issues around leap seconds
20:15:12 <LarsG> s/act jtandy//
20:15:54 <phila> ... I'm surprised that there's anything not covered wrt leap seconds
20:16:00 <AndreaPerego> s/finsihed/finished/
20:16:01 <kerry> action: Chris to look at leap sesonds in owl-time as raised by internationalization group
20:16:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-256 - Look at leap sesonds in owl-time as raised by internationalization group [on Chris Little - due 2017-02-01].
20:16:16 <AndreaPerego> s/sesonds/seconds/
20:16:28 <kerry> q+
20:16:34 <phila> kerry: Any other comments?
20:16:35 <phila> ack sefki_kolozali
20:16:37 <kerry> ack sefki_kolozali
20:16:49 <kerry> q- kerry
20:17:13 <AndreaPerego> s/gropu/group/
20:17:37 <phila> sefki_kolozali: I remember ... I had a chance to look at it a few months ago. I was told that temporal reference systems would be looked at by Chris. I was told thinghs like discrete time line and continuous timeline were missing
20:17:45 <phila> ... But I look now I can't see it.
20:18:13 <kerry> q?
20:18:43 <sefki_kolozali> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Jun/0103.html
20:20:26 <phila> action: sefki_kolozali to make proposal around TRSs for the OWL Time Ontology
20:20:26 <trackbot> Error finding 'sefki_kolozali'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
20:20:33 <phila> action: sefki to make proposal around TRSs for the OWL Time Ontology
20:20:33 <trackbot> Error finding 'sefki'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
20:20:40 <phila> action: kolozali to make proposal around TRSs for the OWL Time Ontology
20:20:40 <trackbot> Error finding 'kolozali'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
20:21:33 <phila> action: Chris to ask Sefki Kolozali to make proposal around TRSs for the OWL Time Ontology
20:21:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-257 - Ask sefki kolozali to make proposal around trss for the owl time ontology [on Chris Little - due 2017-02-01].
20:21:55 <kerry> q?
20:22:03 <phila> kerry: Any more comments on OWL Time?
20:22:12 <phila> ... On proposal to publish next iteration
20:23:01 <phila> PROPOSED: That the current Editor's Draft of the OWL Time Ontology http://w3c.github.io/sdw/time/ be published as the next iteration of the document
20:23:17 <jtandy> +1
20:23:20 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:23:20 <Linda> +1
20:23:21 <LarsG> +1
20:23:21 <MattPerry> +1
20:23:25 <kerry> +1
20:23:29 <DanhLePhuoc> +1
20:23:40 <phila> phila: Votes in the archive also from Raúl García Castro
20:23:40 <phila> Chris Little
20:23:40 <phila> Krzysztof Janowicz
20:24:18 <sefki_kolozali> +1
20:25:25 <phila> RESOLUTION: That the current Editor's Draft of the OWL Time Ontology http://w3c.github.io/sdw/time/ be published as the next iteration of the document
20:25:43 <phila> [Applause]
20:25:50 <phila> [Happy birthday Chris]
20:26:08 <phila> Topic: Status of W3C Group review of documents
20:26:31 <kerry> topic: status of w3c group review
20:26:55 <phila> phila: All I've done is ask i18n to review Time
20:27:05 <phila> kerry: So we should be more thorough
20:27:30 <kerry> ...4 groups of w3c do horizontal review.
20:27:46 <kerry> ...we have asked int' to look at time so far
20:28:17 <kerry> so for BP we need int'l, privacy, accessibility, security
20:28:42 <kerry> if anyone can think of any issues where we should think about thes docs that would be helpful
20:28:46 <kerry> q+
20:28:54 <phila> ack k
20:28:59 <kerry> ack kerry
20:29:24 <phila> kerry: At some stage way back there was something in our reqs, aspirations to do something about the ontology products annotated in multiple languages
20:29:36 <phila> ... Don't think any of that has been done on our two ontologies.
20:31:23 <phila> phila: Translations of TR space docs are managed separately
20:31:46 <jtandy> q+
20:31:56 <phila> phila: Namespace docs - the labels and comments - I can add translations at any time
20:32:00 <phila> ]ack j
20:32:03 <phila> ack j
20:32:05 <kerry> ack jtandy
20:32:11 <phila> s/]ack j//
20:32:34 <phila> jtandy: I recall actions being recorded for people offering translations
20:32:54 <phila> [jtandy checks the action log]
20:33:22 <phila> kerry: If those volunteers are here now for Time or SSN, please speak up.
20:33:34 <Linda> q+
20:33:38 <phila> ack l
20:33:56 <phila> Linda: When would be the appropriate time to do these?
20:34:16 <phila> kerry: I'd say that Time is probably there now
20:34:28 <jtandy> [for translations, see ACTION 222 and ACTION 223 ... German and Dutch respectively]
20:34:38 <phila> kerry: SSN... may take longer. Big discussions going on right now about the comments
20:34:46 <phila> action-222?
20:34:46 <trackbot> action-222 -- Armin Haller to Do german annotations for ssn, inc sosa, qb4st, time -- due 2016-11-23 -- OPEN
20:34:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/222
20:34:47 <jtandy> [German = Armin, Dutch = Frans]
20:34:55 <phila> action-223
20:34:55 <trackbot> action-223 -- Frans Knibbe to Do dutch annotations for ssn inc sosa, qb4st, time -- due 2016-11-23 -- OPEN
20:34:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/223
20:35:11 <phila> kerry: If you're volunteering for SSN as well...
20:35:36 <phila> Linda: Well, I don't want to commit myself too much. I have a colleague looking at SSN and we might be able to do that.
20:35:51 <phila> kerry: It turns out that Frans has already volunteered
20:35:57 <phila> Linda: But we haven't seen him for a while
20:36:41 <sefki_kolozali> +q
20:36:57 <phila> ack sefki_kolozali
20:37:07 <LarsG> q+ to talk about a Swedish version
20:37:28 <phila> sefki_kolozali: Just a question. Do you want only the classes and properties? or everything? I could perhaps to Turkish Cypriot
20:38:20 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/time# Namespace doc
20:39:38 <phila> sefki_kolozali: I've never used any Turkish terms to describe an ontology!
20:39:43 <kerry> issue owl-time needs some tmore annotation on classes and proporties in the ontology
20:39:56 <phila> issue: owl-time needs some tmore annotation on classes and proporties in the ontology
20:39:56 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-143 - Owl-time needs some tmore annotation on classes and proporties in the ontology.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/143/edit>.
20:41:17 <Linda> q?
20:41:34 <phila> kerry: We were talking about translations... Can I put an action on you to provide translations of the labels and comments for OWL Time
20:42:06 <kerry> action: kerry to ask sefki to look at ttranslations of time and ssn ontoogies
20:42:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-258 - Ask sefki to look at ttranslations of time and ssn ontoogies [on Kerry Taylor - due 2017-02-01].
20:42:09 <phila> ack l
20:42:09 <Zakim> LarsG, you wanted to talk about a Swedish version
20:42:10 <kerry> ack
20:42:53 <phila> LarsG: Just to come back to the suggestion of a Swedish version of the ontologies. The question is, who would be the audience. There are about 10m people in the world who coujld read that, and almost all of those who wojuld are fluent in English anyway
20:43:43 <LarsG> s/coujld/could/
20:43:56 <LarsG> s/wojuld/would/
20:44:42 <kerry> action: lars to look at swedish translations of time and ssn annotations and labels
20:44:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-259 - Look at swedish translations of time and ssn annotations and labels [on Lars G. Svensson - due 2017-02-01].
20:45:11 <phila> phila: Gives the anecdote about saying thank you in the language of the receiver meaning a little more.
20:45:32 <phila> Topic: Issues and Actions
20:45:43 <kerry> topic: Attention to github tracker (https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues 63 open issues, mostly BP) and W3C tracker issues (https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/ 100 live issues, mostly SSN)
20:46:10 <phila> kerry: There are lots of issues in the tracker and they need to be dealt with before the final publication of our documents.
20:46:28 <phila> ... Editors are well aware of these things and working through them, but we need to see those numbers heading downwards
20:46:41 <phila> ... The point is that they need to be dealt with and closed when ready
20:46:59 <phila> ... So we know we're doing the right thing and that comments have been addressed.
20:47:08 <phila> ... So let's have a quick look
20:48:23 <kerry> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues
20:49:02 <phila> kerry: Lots of them are BP issues. Clear that Linda is on top of this list
20:49:20 <phila> Linda: I went through this list and labelled all the ones relevant for BP
20:49:27 <phila> ... There are a few that are not related.
20:49:46 <jtandy> q+
20:49:46 <phila> Linda: At the moment, I don't think there are any that we can close
20:50:04 <phila> ... I think that this is the correctly open issues list for the BPs
20:50:16 <phila> ... Some are being addressed, others in the next sprint.
20:50:28 <phila> kerry: Is there help that you can ask for?
20:51:06 <phila> Linda: I don't think I have any issues that we could discuss now, for example, but there are a few that would benefit from discussion on a future call.
20:51:08 <LarsG> q+ to offer help with https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/163, I know the developer
20:51:23 <phila> ack LarsG
20:51:23 <Zakim> LarsG, you wanted to offer help with https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/163, I know the developer
20:51:34 <kerry> ack
20:51:39 <phila> LarsG: I'm just sending a mail to the developer so I'll try and clarify that.
20:51:42 <phila> ack j
20:51:44 <kerry> ack jtandy
20:52:08 <phila> jtandy: Just in terms of how we work through thee issues, they all live in the doc as well. When we look at the doc, we see them.
20:52:25 <phila> jtandy: They're all being husbanded. One that people could look at right now...
20:52:32 <jtandy> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/208
20:52:51 <phila> jtandy: The discussion of the issue is best done inthe BP doc
20:53:00 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:53:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:53:10 <jtandy> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/
20:53:53 <phila> jtandy: This is about whether we use indirect IDs, or we use the /id -> /doc advice fro the TAG
20:53:55 <tidoust> tidoust has joined #sdw
20:54:30 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/#issue-208 In the doc
20:56:13 <kerry> q+
20:56:19 <phila> ack k
20:56:58 <phila> kerry: There was a lot of this discussion early on, I'm surprised it's still an open issue ALl the discussion I heard was of the form 'get over it' and my understanding is that is the consensus
20:57:29 <phila> jtandy: It's the PLDN folks who were concerned about it.
20:57:41 <phila> Linda: Yep, they wanted me to bring it back to the group
20:57:51 <phila> ... I'll ask them to respond on GH if they're still concerned.
20:58:00 <kerry> q?
20:58:10 <phila> Topic: Francois
21:00:06 <kerry> Francois will be taking over the formal team contact role for our gropu in W3C
21:00:26 <LarsG> s/gropu/group/
21:00:54 <kerry> Francois: a new world for me i am usually mobile and multimedia
21:01:09 <kerry> ... but I can offer french transaltion!
21:01:15 <phila> FD: I hope Phil will stick around. I'm more in the TV/media world so it will take me time to get up to speed. I can offer a French translation of hte ns docs in due course.
21:01:42 <phila> kerry: We have a number if Francophone members
21:02:01 <AndreaPerego> q+ to ask about the likely dates for the Delft f2f.
21:02:08 <phila> kerry: Time to wrap up
21:02:20 <phila> ... So I'll skip over the outstanding actions etc.
21:02:27 <phila> ... Some are very old.
21:02:35 <jtandy> [I thought it was Monday 20-March]
21:02:51 <jtandy> [... the f2f at Delft I mean]
21:02:55 <phila> kerry: There may be some that can be closed.
21:03:00 <AndreaPerego> [Last meeting minutes say 21st.]
21:03:11 <phila> Topic: Delft
21:03:55 <kerry> dates for delft meeting are 21 and 22 march
21:04:22 <phila> phila: Rambles on about conversations with Ed, Denise and Scott ending up with settling on Tuesday 21 - Wed 22.
21:04:41 <jtandy> bye
21:04:44 <phila> [Adjourned]
21:04:46 <kerry> bye!
21:04:48 <LarsG> Cheerio
21:04:48 <Linda> bye
21:04:49 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
21:04:50 <phila> Happy Australia Day
21:05:07 <phila> RRSAgent, make minutes
21:05:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-sdw-minutes.html phila
21:09:29 <jtandy> jtandy has joined #sdw
21:10:15 <jtandy> jtandy has joined #sdw
21:11:02 <jtandy> jtandy has joined #sdw
21:11:51 <jtandy> jtandy has joined #sdw
21:12:39 <jtandy> jtandy has joined #sdw
21:13:26 <jtandy> jtandy has joined #sdw
21:14:15 <jtandy> jtandy has joined #sdw
21:15:03 <jtandy> jtandy has joined #sdw
23:01:13 <ahaller2> ahaller2 has joined #sdw
23:48:20 <ahaller2> ahaller2 has joined #sdw