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16:46:18 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
16:46:19 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ action items
16:46:21 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ emotional disabilities guidelines
16:46:22 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ agreement on our mandate to do what we can for cognitive accessibility
16:46:24 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ review SC managers task, timelines . Links: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1, https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html, rewording https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/rewroded%20sc%203.html
16:46:25 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ tables https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html
16:46:27 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ be done
16:48:00 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: EA, Steve, ayelet, Mike pluke
16:48:40 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: EA, Steve, ayelet, Mike pluke, Thaddeus
16:50:21 <JohnRochford> present+
16:50:32 <Lisa_Seeman> present+
16:51:16 <JohnRochford> Lisa, I'm on the call, waiting to talk with you.
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16:57:18 <Pietro> present+ Pietro
16:57:19 <JohnRochford> I'm saying "hello" on the call, but nobody is responding.
16:59:15 <kirkwood> present+
17:00:10 <Lisa_Seeman> on now
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17:01:44 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: Jim_S
17:02:04 <Jim_S> present+
17:02:20 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:02:20 <Zakim> agendum 1. "action items" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:04:58 <Jim_S> Lisa: Due to low numbers, no major decisions will be made
17:05:19 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
17:06:07 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html
17:06:09 <Jim_S> Lisa: We still are short of success criteria managers for all SC classified as "High"
17:07:18 <Jan> Jan has joined #coga
17:08:47 <Jim_S> Lisa: Neil M offered to do undo and return, Jim_S offered to do SC#26 clear structure and relationships
17:09:16 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html
17:12:10 <Jim_S> Lisa: We will address allocation of SC after the call
17:13:19 <Jim_S> Pietro is not able to take any SC for the moment
17:13:49 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:13:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "emotional disabilities guidelines" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:14:56 <Jim_S> Lisa: Guidlines may be required for the working with the Emotional Disabilities research paper
17:17:04 <Lisa_Seeman> Q?
17:21:01 <Lisa_Seeman> resolution, work idivaly on sections untill the guidlines are in place
17:21:36 <Lisa_Seeman> resolution : Create Guidelines  for  working with Emotional Disabilities
17:21:41 <Lisa_Seeman> +1
17:21:46 <Jim_S> +1
17:21:52 <kirkwood> +1
17:21:59 <Pietro> +1
17:22:01 <Jan> +1 - agree with resolution
17:22:03 <JohnRochford> +1
17:22:14 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next issue
17:22:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next issue', Lisa_Seeman
17:22:20 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:22:20 <Zakim> agendum 3. "agreement on our mandate to do what we can for cognitive accessibility" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:22:27 <Jan> p+ Jan
17:24:00 <Jim_S> Lisa: two approaches to Acceptance Crieteria management and commenting
17:25:31 <Jim_S> 1) Adoptable, reasonable standards and 2) Err on the sdie of helping people with disablilities
17:26:08 <janina> present+ Janina
17:29:15 <Jim_S> Michael C: we need to consider the balance between achievability and helping people. We should try and have SC that are easy to conform to but need to meet the needs of users. We should consider if specific supplemental advice for sites tagrget at specific groups would be useful
17:29:24 <Jim_S> Not a prioity at the moment
17:30:20 <Jim_S>  Lisa: Let's not loose wide scope introduced by AAA
17:31:04 <Jim_S> Michael C: we may be able to tag SC to bring in AAA where userrs are particularly concerned.
17:32:14 <Jim_S> Lisa: We should aim to create an ecosystem that simplfies using semantics
17:33:04 <Jim_S> Lisa: Adding sematicts is the traditional way of adding accessibility
17:33:31 <Lisa_Seeman> Q?
17:33:47 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:33:47 <Zakim> agendum 4. "review SC managers task, timelines . Links: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1, https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html, rewording
17:33:50 <Zakim> ... https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/rewroded%20sc%203.html" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:35:21 <Jim_S> John Rochford: Planning on letting WCAG know that his two SC are ready for pull-request. What happens next?
17:36:00 <MichaelC> q+
17:36:47 <Jim_S> Lisa: Put a summary of any comments on the call into GitHub
17:36:48 <MichaelC> ack me
17:38:56 <Jim_S> Michael Cooper: SC usually need work. Sending a message to mailing list and ask for comments, contact people privately who may have and interest are ways to generate interest and comments. Note personal concerns and ask for comments
17:39:38 <Jim_S> Michael Cooper: When there is sufficent input, try and gain consensus
17:40:15 <Jim_S> Michael Cooper: SC Managers try to reword SC to achieve consensus. Test rewording is a possibility
17:41:02 <Jim_S> Michael Cooper: Once consensus from people who have participated in the discussion, the SC should be moved to the workinggroup
17:43:50 <Jim_S> Michael Cooper: Pull requests are the step before surveying and consensus. Add feedback from the wider group and resubmitt if required.
17:44:54 <Jim_S> Michale Cooper: First working draft should be out in about a month
17:47:02 <Jim_S> Lisa: COGA needs to get into the 1st working draft as new implememtations and technology are often required. If implementation requirements are in the 1st working draft they are likely to get adopted. Anything dependant on adoption have to be in the 1st working draft - e.g. personalisation and authentication
17:48:33 <Jim_S> Michael Cooper agrees but doesn't feel that 1st working draft is a bar to adoption
17:51:54 <janina> zakim, who's here?
17:51:54 <Zakim> Present: JohnRochford, Lisa_Seeman, Pietro, kirkwood, Jim_S, Janina
17:51:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jan, Jim_S, Pietro, RRSAgent, JohnRochford, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, MichaelC, kirkwood, janina, trackbot
17:52:29 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:52:33 <Lisa_Seeman> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32
17:57:45 <Jim_S> Michael Cooper: Seed-questions can help generate discussion
17:58:18 <Lisa_Seeman> Q?
17:59:00 <Jim_S> Lisa Seeman: is available in her morning hours - perferably via Skype
18:01:24 <Jan> I have to drop for another meeting.  Thanks, everyone!
18:05:34 <Jim_S> Lisa Seeman: Meeting closed :)
18:05:41 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
18:05:52 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, create minutes
18:05:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/23-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
18:06:23 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
18:06:23 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JohnRochford, Lisa_Seeman, Pietro, kirkwood, Jim_S, Janina
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18:06:39 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
18:06:39 <RRSAgent> I see no action items