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16:56:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
16:56:54 <trackbot> Date: 18 January 2017
16:56:59 <janina> agenda?
16:57:03 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
16:57:03 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
16:57:03 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:57:03 <janina> agenda+ Media Accessibility in W3C Specs [See MAUR Redux below]
16:57:04 <janina> agenda+ Action-2104 ARIA in HTML -- Michiel Bijl http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/
16:57:05 <janina> agenda+ APA's Accessibility Checklist [See Below]
16:57:08 <janina> agenda+ Input Events http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Nov/0005.html
16:57:11 <janina> agenda+ Updating DOM--Any RFEs?  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2017JanMar/0000.html
16:57:14 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:57:16 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
16:57:19 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:58:48 <MichielBijl> present+
17:00:29 <janina>  regrets: Gottfried, John_Northrup, Leonie
17:01:35 <JF> JF has joined #apa
17:02:04 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
17:03:25 <janina> present+ Janina
17:03:47 <MichaelC> present+
17:04:05 <JF> Present+ JF
17:04:16 <MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl
17:05:26 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
17:05:26 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
17:05:47 <MichielBijl> JS: Any additions to agenda?
17:05:58 <MichielBijl> JS: Any news for the good of the order?
17:06:05 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
17:06:05 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, MichielBijl
17:06:17 <tdrake> tdrake has joined #apa
17:06:18 <MichielBijl> zakim, close this item
17:06:18 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
17:06:19 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:06:19 <Zakim> 2. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina]
17:06:22 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
17:06:22 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
17:06:25 <tdrake> present + tdrake
17:07:15 <MichielBijl> action-2017
17:07:15 <trackbot> action-2017 -- Fred Esch to Review activitypub https://www.w3.org/tr/activitypub/ -- due 2016-03-16 -- CLOSED
17:07:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2017
17:07:27 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
17:07:43 <MichielBijl> MC: remember we reviewed something a while back
17:07:56 <MichaelC> action-2107 due 1 week
17:07:56 <trackbot> Set action-2107 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webcryptoapi/ web cryptography api due date to 2017-01-25.
17:07:58 <MichielBijl> JS: Nothing like web cryptography in APA
17:08:10 <MichielBijl> action-2104
17:08:10 <trackbot> action-2104 -- Michiel Bijl to Review aria in html http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/ -- due 2017-01-11 -- OPEN
17:08:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2104
17:08:56 <JF> MB: no apparent conflicts with the ARIA spec, but noted some issues with HTML spec
17:09:18 <MichaelC> close action-2104
17:09:18 <trackbot> Closed action-2104.
17:09:26 <JF> Consulted with Steve Faulkner, recommends to file issues agaisnt HTML spec
17:09:42 <JF> WAs mis-matches between roles defined
17:10:20 <MichielBijl> action-2095
17:10:20 <trackbot> action-2095 -- Jason White to Review web authentication https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ -- due 2017-01-18 -- OPEN
17:10:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2095
17:10:32 <MichielBijl> MC: will mark wiki as complete
17:10:41 <MichielBijl> JS: taken up by RTQF
17:11:07 <MichielBijl> MC: Don’t have a category for nor-abandoned nor-complete
17:11:10 <MichielBijl> JS: We could
17:11:21 <MichaelC> action-2095 due 1 year
17:11:21 <trackbot> Set action-2095 Review web authentication https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ due date to 2018-01-18.
17:11:24 <MichielBijl> MC: Will say “defer action”
17:11:35 <MichielBijl> action-2094
17:11:35 <trackbot> action-2094 -- Janina Sajka to Review tv control api specification https://www.w3.org/tr/tvcontrol-api/ -- due 2017-01-11 -- OPEN
17:11:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2094
17:11:43 <MichielBijl> JS: Still working on it
17:11:50 <MichielBijl> JS: leave over due
17:11:55 <MichielBijl> action-2052
17:11:55 <trackbot> action-2052 -- Shane McCarron to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom -- due 2016-09-28 -- OPEN
17:11:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2052
17:12:16 <MichielBijl> SM: didn’t do it
17:12:27 <MichielBijl> MC: Was published again on TR this week
17:12:37 <MichielBijl> JS: All DOM specs are open for updating
17:13:28 <MichielBijl> SM: Please leave it open, will contact Rich
17:13:35 <MichaelC> action-2052 due 2 weeks
17:13:35 <trackbot> Set action-2052 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom due date to 2017-02-01.
17:13:45 <MichielBijl> SM: Set for two weeks from now, will have update by then
17:14:22 <MichielBijl> action-2086
17:14:22 <trackbot> action-2086 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/input-events/ input events -- due 2016-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:14:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2086
17:14:39 <MichielBijl> JS: Wanted to talk to Léonie about that
17:14:48 <MichielBijl> JS: Might want to bring them to WP
17:15:00 <MichielBijl> s/WP/Web Platforms/
17:15:09 <MichielBijl> action-2062
17:15:09 <trackbot> action-2062 -- Lisa Seeman to Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ -- due 2016-07-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:15:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2062
17:15:28 <MichielBijl> MC: We didn’t reassign the action
17:15:35 <MichielBijl> TD: ??
17:15:45 <MichielBijl> JS: Re-assign and give a couple of weeks
17:16:01 <MichielBijl> MC: In July we said no further review needed, but never closed.
17:16:40 <MichielBijl> MC: Will re-assign to ted with two weeks to go
17:16:46 <MichielBijl> s/ted/Ted/
17:17:09 <MichielBijl> MC: That’s it for action
17:17:13 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
17:17:13 <Zakim> agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
17:17:39 <MichielBijl> MC: There seem to be no new publications of interest
17:17:56 <MichielBijl> MC: There’re four specs with explicit review requests
17:18:11 <MichielBijl> JS: Bunch of webpayments right?
17:18:14 <MichielBijl> MC: Yeah, three
17:18:24 <MichielBijl> SM: I’ve looked at it, nothing to do for us there
17:18:28 <MichaelC> action-2100?
17:18:28 <trackbot> action-2100 -- Shane McCarron to Review pubsub https://www.w3.org/tr/pubsub/ -- due 2017-01-26 -- OPEN
17:18:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2100
17:19:25 <MichielBijl> MC: Also have a category for specs that are assigned but haven’t returned anything
17:20:48 <MichielBijl> JS: At some point we need to look at community groups
17:20:59 <MichielBijl> MC: Done with TR
17:21:02 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
17:21:02 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Media Accessibility in W3C Specs" taken up [from See MAUR Redux below]
17:21:33 <MichielBijl> JS: Ralph Swick?? will join us next week
17:21:53 <MichielBijl> JS: We have  a MAUR document to help us
17:22:16 <MichielBijl> JS: We’ve been able to specify a whole lot of things via user requirements
17:22:35 <MichielBijl> JS: We need to find a way that it gets appropriately address
17:22:44 <MichielBijl> JS: Which comments need to go to who
17:23:01 <JF> Q+ to note there are also some author requirements that have nothing to do with APIs
17:23:37 <MichielBijl> JS: MAUR is a long read, would be nice to have a one and half page summary.
17:23:47 <MichielBijl> JS: John is working on ??
17:24:09 <ShaneM> I thought the checklist was updated right before the MAUR was published.... I sort of remember doing it
17:24:22 <MichielBijl> JF: There is a disconnect between the MAUR and the checklist
17:24:50 <MichielBijl> JF: Rebuilding reqs into a checklist
17:25:09 <MichielBijl> JF: Would like feedback
17:25:18 <MichielBijl> JF: Cross ref to WCAG 2.0
17:25:26 <MichielBijl> JF: Something are infered through WCAG
17:25:32 <MichielBijl> JF: Not explicitly called out
17:25:46 <MichielBijl> JF: Some of that feedback needs to be fed back to WCAG WG.
17:26:02 <MichielBijl> JF: Think we need to add note not necessarily normative
17:26:35 <MichielBijl> JF: Open to any suggestions to things we need to track
17:27:00 <MichielBijl> JF: It’s now hosted in the Wiki, is there somewhere else, more static, where we can host this?
17:27:06 <MichielBijl> MC: We can come up with a place
17:27:42 <MichielBijl> MC: If appropriate, we can take it to note track, mixed feeling about that, but we can solve it
17:27:52 <MichielBijl> JF: At some point we want to get it out of the W3 wiki
17:27:58 <MichielBijl> JF: Not overly fussy where
17:28:12 <MichielBijl> JS: MAUR has a reference to it, so would have to edit that
17:28:18 <MichielBijl> JF: Updating a link is not a problem
17:29:51 <MichielBijl> JF: Let me do the hard work and we’ll figure out the paper work later
17:30:27 <MichielBijl> JS: Should consider if there is enough new information to update the MAUR
17:31:59 <MichielBijl> JS: Think we have a couple of small comments, maybe push to 1.2
17:32:26 <MichielBijl> MC: While there is bureaucracy for updating notes, not as bad as RECs
17:34:04 <MichielBijl> JF: The other thing, some of the author requirements have nothing to do with APIs
17:34:14 <MichielBijl> JF: There are some other requirements as well
17:34:21 <MichielBijl> JS: Should be made into best practices
17:34:26 <MichielBijl> JF: Or advance to WCAG
17:34:42 <MichielBijl> JS: If that’s the case I don’t care too much about which version.
17:35:01 <MichielBijl> JS: Would be interested in POCs
17:35:09 <MichielBijl> JF: Someone from BBC showed me some stuff
17:35:14 <MichielBijl> JS: Would like to do that
17:35:31 <MichielBijl> JS: If you have time before next meeting that’d be good
17:35:34 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
17:35:34 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MichielBijl
17:35:38 <MichielBijl> q-
17:35:42 <JF> ack jf
17:35:42 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to note there are also some author requirements that have nothing to do with APIs
17:35:42 <MichielBijl> ack JF
17:35:53 <JF> zakim, next item
17:35:53 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Action-2104 ARIA in HTML -- Michiel Bijl http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/" taken up [from janina]
17:36:01 <JF> scribe: JF
17:36:13 <JF> MB: have done a review
17:36:28 <JF> no real issues except for one item - a legacy issue
17:36:41 <JF> there are a number of elements that are not currently iin alpha-order
17:36:54 <JF> there is one issue however that is the section element
17:37:11 <MichielBijl> https://github.com/w3c/html-aria/issues/64
17:37:23 <JF> according to ARIA in HTML, it maps to region, but according to APG it has extra properties
17:37:36 <MichielBijl> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/239
17:37:36 <JF> so there is a need for an update
17:37:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
17:38:01 <JF> there are a number of differences between what is allowed in different documents
17:38:11 <JF> Steve F. has requested that these differences be filed as bugs
17:38:30 <JF> JS: a good list of items to follow up on
17:39:10 <JF> JS: suspect that the ARIA group would be interested inthis as well, especially the discrepancies apparent
17:39:38 <JF> JS: our wiki should have, at a minimum, pointers of what happened and a paper-trail back to github issues
17:39:53 <JF> MB: hae a markdown file of issues noted, can be added to anywhere
17:39:59 <JF> JS: can send it tomailing list
17:40:05 <JF> MB: yes, can do that
17:40:34 <JF> MB: has 3 categories of issues: ARIA in HTML issues, HTML issues, and one APG issue
17:40:45 <JF> most issues are the descrepencies
17:41:11 <JF> MB: so question is, where should post the issues?
17:41:17 <JF> JB: definately on the ARIA list
17:41:31 <JF> ACTION: Michiel to file issues, send out email to both lists
17:41:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2109 - File issues, send out email to both lists [on Michiel Bijl - due 2017-01-25].
17:42:10 <MichaelC> associate action-2109 with product-8
17:42:10 <trackbot> action-2109 (File issues, send out email to both lists) associated with product-8.
17:42:30 <MichaelC> action-2109?
17:42:30 <trackbot> action-2109 -- Michiel Bijl to File issues, send out email to both lists -- due 2017-01-25 -- OPEN
17:42:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2109
17:44:34 <JF> agenda?
17:45:15 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
17:45:15 <Zakim> agendum 6. "APA's Accessibility Checklist" taken up [from See Below]
17:46:19 <MichielBijl> MC: No news since last week
17:46:20 <MichaelC> -> http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/checklist.html Draft WTAG Checklist
17:46:35 <MichielBijl> MC: I tried to make the checklist somewhat compelte
17:46:43 <MichielBijl> s/compelte/complete/
17:47:10 <MichielBijl> MC: It references relevant guidelines
17:47:33 <MichielBijl> MC: I think the wording of these checklist items needs to be done
17:47:50 <MichielBijl> MC: Were drafted so we would understand
17:47:59 <MichielBijl> MC: A) Do we have the right sections
17:48:17 <MichielBijl> MC: B) Are the checklist items appropriate for that section
17:48:24 <MichielBijl> MC: Can send comments to the list
17:48:34 <MichielBijl> MC: Can send PRs, but might be a little early for that
17:48:46 <MichielBijl> MC: Might do restructure in coming weeks
17:48:52 <MichielBijl> MC: Ralph wants this in April
17:49:07 <MichielBijl> MC: Not sure yet when we want to publish final version
17:49:19 <MichielBijl> MC: Over next month we’ll try to answer all those questions
17:49:28 <MichielBijl> MC: Publish in APA rep or TR
17:49:39 <MichielBijl> MC: These checklist items are just CSS
17:49:46 <MichielBijl> MC: Would like to put in actual form
17:50:02 <MichielBijl> MC: Would be able to submit and get a list of things you need to look at
17:50:19 <JF> Q+
17:50:35 <MichielBijl> JF: I see there are some gaps
17:50:40 <MichielBijl> JF: Under the explanation column
17:50:44 <MichielBijl> JF: Do you need help?
17:50:47 <MichielBijl> MC: Yes!
17:50:56 <MichielBijl> MC: Would be greatly appreciated
17:51:05 <MichielBijl> MC: If people can offer content, that would be great
17:51:24 <MichielBijl> MC: In short term e-mail is fine
17:51:41 <MichielBijl> JF: Looking at media stuff here
17:51:53 <MichielBijl> JF: Working on MAUR anyway, seems trivial to feed that to checklist
17:52:06 <MichielBijl> MC: Did attempt to link to MAUR
17:52:25 <MichielBijl> MC: Will fix contrast issue soon
17:52:39 <JF> ack JF
17:56:12 <MichielBijl> JF: target audiance is other WGs?
17:56:19 <MichielBijl> MC: primary target audience yes
17:56:26 <MichielBijl> s/audiance/audience/
17:56:53 <MichielBijl> JS: Think we need to put on media hats
17:57:18 <MichielBijl> Whatever different viewpoints we have
17:57:36 <MichielBijl> Michael just noted that indeed you need to be able to send out to different devices
17:57:53 <MichielBijl> MC: That’s the sort of stuff I want people to catch in their review
17:58:11 <MichielBijl> Might be useful to look at overall web accessibility technology guidelines
17:58:16 <MichaelC> -> http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/wtag.html Draft WTAG
17:58:21 <MichielBijl> Nearly 2 year old draft at this point
17:58:28 <MichielBijl> Went through it with PFWG at some point
18:00:03 <MichielBijl> JS: plenty of work left!
18:00:15 <MichielBijl> Any other comments or questions?
18:00:19 <MichielBijl> We’re at the hour
18:00:41 <MichielBijl> We’ll discuss input events when Léonie is here, we had some comments from Rich.
18:01:09 <MichielBijl> Thanks all!
18:02:21 <MichielBijl> RRSAgent, makeminutes
18:02:21 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'makeminutes', MichielBijl.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:02:26 <MichielBijl> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:02:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html MichielBijl