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15:58:19 <JF> Present+ JF
15:58:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:58:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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15:58:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:58:23 <trackbot> Date: 17 January 2017
15:58:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
15:58:30 <interaccess> zakim, agenda?
15:58:31 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
15:58:31 <Zakim> 1. Survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG21_SCs_1/results [from AWK]
15:58:31 <Zakim> 2. SC Manager questions [from AWK]
15:58:31 <Zakim> 3. Charter update [from AWK]
15:58:32 <Zakim> 4. Voice summary demos and cognitive roadmap (Willie Scott from IBM) [from AWK]
15:58:44 <interaccess> zakim, clear agenda
15:58:44 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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15:59:09 <interaccess> agenda+ Charter Update/Discussion
15:59:27 <interaccess> agenda+  'Proposal for modifying existing SC'  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ModifySCs/
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15:59:36 <interaccess> agenda+ Update from SC managers
15:59:43 <interaccess> agenda+ Virtual F2F: Jan 31st
15:59:59 <laura> present+ Laura
16:00:06 <laura> Scribe: Laura
16:00:10 <Pietro> present+ Pietro
16:00:23 <Kathy> present+ Kathy
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16:02:28 <Lauriat> Present+ Lauriat
16:02:34 <gowerm> present+ MikeGower
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16:02:55 <allanj> present+
16:03:09 <kirkwood> present+
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16:06:14 <AWK> Zakim, agenda?
16:06:14 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
16:06:15 <Zakim> 1. Charter Update/Discussion [from interaccess]
16:06:15 <Zakim> 2. 'Proposal for modifying existing SC'  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ModifySCs/ [from interaccess]
16:06:15 <Zakim> 3. Update from SC managers [from interaccess]
16:06:15 <Zakim> 4. Virtual F2F: Jan 31st [from interaccess]
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16:07:07 <JohnRochford> present+
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16:07:17 <Judy> present+ Judy
16:07:34 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 1
16:07:34 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Charter Update/Discussion" taken up [from interaccess]
16:07:39 <erich> present+ erich
16:07:39 <Glenda> present+ Glenda
16:07:40 <JF> zakim, who is here?
16:07:40 <Zakim> Present: AWK, JF, Laura, Pietro, Kathy, adam_solomon, marcjohlic, Greg_Lowney, Makoto, Lauriat, MikeGower, Jim_S, allanj, kirkwood, David-MacDonald, JohnRochford, Judy, erich,
16:07:44 <Zakim> ... Glenda
16:07:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rachael, steverep, erich, JohnRochford, NeilMilliken, Detlev, Mike_Pluke, shwetank, Glenda, Judy, David-MacDonald, gowerm, Lauriat, Makoto, allanj, Jim_S, Greg,
16:07:44 <Zakim> ... Pietro, Kathy, adam_solomon, RRSAgent, Joshue108, JF, AWK, laura, marcjohlic, MichaelC, jeanne, Rossen, kirkwood, Zakim, yatil, trackbot
16:08:05 <Detlev> present+ Detlev
16:08:08 <Joshue108> present+ Joshue108
16:08:10 <kirkwood> present+ kirkwood
16:08:15 <Rachael> present+ Rachael
16:08:16 <Mike_Pluke> present+ Mike_Pluke
16:08:17 <shwetank> present+ shwetank
16:08:24 <NeilMilliken> Present+ NeilMilliken
16:08:49 <laura> AWK: Charter out for review
16:08:55 <laura> …3 FOs
16:09:26 <laura> …have been engaging with people with concerns.
16:09:44 <laura> …Future work for silver is a concern.
16:10:20 <laura> …incubation or not within the Working Group.
16:10:38 <laura> …one option is to do it in a comunity group.
16:10:53 <laura> …may best be done in the Working Group.
16:11:41 <AWK> http://awkawk.github.io/ag-charter.html
16:11:44 <laura> …perhaps not rec track for now.
16:11:55 <MichaelC> present+
16:12:12 <laura> Woring on changes at: http://awkawk.github.io/ag-charter.html
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16:12:36 <Joshue108> s/Woring/Working
16:12:43 <Wayne> present+ Wayne
16:13:25 <laura> …2.1 is the main proirity.
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16:13:50 <Joshue108> q?
16:13:53 <laura> …will do a survey and CFC.
16:14:01 <Judy> q+
16:14:20 <JF> Q+
16:14:21 <jeanne> q+ to talk about timeline for Silver FPWD
16:14:34 <Judy> q+ later
16:14:38 <Joshue108> ack Judy
16:15:00 <Joshue108> ack JF
16:15:00 <AWK> ack jf
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16:15:21 <jamesn> agenda?
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16:15:31 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
16:15:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
16:16:00 <laura> JF: one thing don’t see here about end of charter that more work will happen other than silver.
16:16:11 <Joshue108> The Working Group intends to produce updated guidance for accessibility on a regular interval, starting with WCAG 2.1.
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16:16:44 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:16:47 <laura> AWK: some text is in there but is not specific to beyond 2.1
16:17:38 <David-MacDonald> +1    I support the revised Charter
16:17:53 <laura> …having been able to come to agreement on a set time table yet.
16:18:00 <Ryladog> +1    I support the revised Charter
16:18:23 <laura> …remains vague
16:18:32 <AWK> ack jeanne
16:18:32 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to talk about timeline for Silver FPWD
16:18:52 <laura> JS: Thanks for all the work.
16:19:54 <Ryladog> q+
16:20:12 <AWK> ack jud
16:20:19 <Joshue108> ack judy
16:20:37 <laura> …charters are alot of work to redo in 18 months.
16:21:09 <laura> Judy: watching in the background.
16:21:11 <Wayne> q
16:21:23 <Wayne> q+
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16:23:16 <laura> …removing silver  FP working draft time line may be a problem.
16:23:37 <AWK> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:23:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html AWK
16:24:11 <laura> …will look at changes in the background wwith Chairs.
16:24:58 <laura> …development in regulatory processes and timelines in Europe.
16:25:03 <Joshue108> q+
16:25:04 <Mike_Pluke> Q+
16:25:24 <jeanne> Silver Task Force Timeline <- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yqbKKSDAsQ9KkuXhxa5di30CmZHpj4npZMoUDKRhSNU/edit#gid=0
16:25:26 <laura> …some disuccion on just doing mobile in 2.1.
16:25:47 <Joshue108> s/disuccion/discussion
16:25:57 <NeilMilliken> I wold not be happy to drop Coga from 2.1
16:25:58 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
16:25:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html jeanne
16:26:31 <laura> …may be some coordination to be done.
16:27:19 <JF> +1 to Jeanne.
16:27:28 <laura> Jean: would like silver FPWD draft in charter
16:28:32 <laura> josh: would like to see it but not doing gives us leaway to do more things.
16:28:35 <JF> Q+ to ask Josh how do we push back to the pro-incubation forces if we don't have a deliverable in this charter's time-frame?
16:28:42 <laura> …it has pros and cons
16:28:57 <laura> …we need to pick our fights.
16:29:07 <Joshue108> ack Josh
16:29:24 <laura> JS: not objecting to it.
16:29:58 <laura> …looking at first pubic working draft  for silver in 20 months
16:30:20 <laura> joc: better to leave charter as is.
16:30:48 <laura> …make give a stonger base to work from.
16:31:24 <laura> JS: okay. does not matter to me.
16:31:25 <Joshue108> ack ryla
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16:31:34 <Judy> q+
16:31:44 <Joshue108> ack wayne
16:31:44 <Ryladog> Later for me
16:32:39 <laura> wayne: advantage of coming from EO as it give a different perspective.
16:32:55 <gowerm> +1
16:32:59 <NeilMilliken> +1
16:33:03 <laura> …we need to bring other people in
16:33:35 <NeilMilliken> we do want an implementation focus
16:33:40 <laura> JOC: don’t understand context.
16:34:04 <Judy> q+ to mention something about the process, also to support Josh's comment about "until Silver is clear"]
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16:34:26 <laura> Wayne: Group is grounded in assumptions. We need a different approach.
16:34:56 <laura> …should be an incubator group.
16:35:21 <steverep> present+steverep
16:35:43 <Joshue108> Just to speak to Waynes point - the current new draft does allow us to incubate in the current WG
16:35:52 <Joshue108> ack Mike
16:36:07 <laura> Katie: being less percsrptive is valuable
16:37:00 <Joshue108> q+ to ask about directive timeline
16:37:12 <laura> Unknown  speaker: May be to late for European Group
16:37:50 <Joshue108> -q
16:38:01 <JF> s/Unknown  speaker:/Mike_Pluke:
16:38:17 <laura> Judy: W3C has been have a lot of discussion on timeline with the commission.
16:38:18 <AWK> q+ to ask Katie what she is proposing with regard to including a WCAG 2.2 in the charter. Not clear what she was suggesting.
16:38:57 <laura> …may have a flexible dodge.
16:39:31 <laura> …things are complicated.
16:39:56 <laura> …agrees with josh on FPWD of silver.
16:40:33 <laura> …incubate in WG
16:41:12 <laura> …charter is in member discussion.
16:41:45 <laura> …WG may get to look at changes soon.
16:41:48 <Joshue108> ack JF
16:41:48 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask Josh how do we push back to the pro-incubation forces if we don't have a deliverable in this charter's time-frame?
16:42:01 <Judy> ack ju
16:42:01 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to mention something about the process, also to support Josh's comment about "until Silver is clear"]
16:42:02 <Joshue108> ack judy
16:42:43 <laura> JF: Is AC rep
16:42:45 <Judy> q+ to comment on the "best practices" doc
16:42:54 <Mike_Elledge> Present+ Mike Elledge
16:42:59 <Judy> q+ to comment on the "best practices" doc, and to speak to the question of confidence
16:43:12 <Wayne> q+
16:43:23 <Ryladog> +1 to Josh
16:43:37 <Wayne> q-
16:43:47 <laura> …how will incubation silver in WG work.
16:44:14 <NeilMilliken> Can I encourage people to make suggestions on my comment on WCAG 21 Issue 36 Clear controls https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/36
16:44:20 <laura> …if in WG need deliverable.
16:44:52 <laura> josh: things have become conflated.
16:45:07 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/Guide/standards-track/
16:45:25 <laura> …incubation in WG provides flexibility.
16:45:56 <laura> judy: W3C has a process for Rec Tack works.
16:46:08 <Joshue108> q?
16:46:28 <laura> …currently is a debate on incubation in WGs
16:47:13 <laura> …it is allowed in some circumstances.
16:47:32 <Wayne> q?
16:47:38 <AWK> q?
16:48:15 <Judy> ack ju
16:48:15 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to comment on the "best practices" doc and to comment on the "best practices" doc, and to speak to the question of confidence
16:48:19 <AWK> ack AWK
16:48:19 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to ask Katie what she is proposing with regard to including a WCAG 2.2 in the charter. Not clear what she was suggesting.
16:48:20 <Joshue108> ack awk
16:48:53 <laura> AWK: 3 FOs.
16:49:25 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
16:49:25 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
16:49:26 <Zakim> 1. Charter Update/Discussion [from interaccess]
16:49:26 <Zakim> 2. 'Proposal for modifying existing SC'  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ModifySCs/ [from interaccess]
16:49:26 <Zakim> 3. Update from SC managers [from interaccess]
16:49:26 <Zakim> 4. Virtual F2F: Jan 31st [from interaccess]
16:49:42 <Wayne> q+
16:49:48 <laura> we are well positioned to get that down to 1 FO
16:50:27 <Judy> [JB w3c has to look at all points raised, and fairly weigh the pros and cons of the different perspectives. this is the process that's been going on, also taking into account the discussions that the wcag wg had already had.]
16:51:22 <Joshue108> ack wayne
16:51:29 <David-MacDonald> Could all those who do audits for a living write "me"? I don't think there are many of us.
16:51:55 <Ryladog> q+
16:52:21 <Joshue108> ack ryla
16:52:28 <laura> wayne: we should fo due diligence to bring new people into WG.
16:53:28 <laura> Katie: We will get more feedback and input if we put out at risk SCs
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16:54:21 <David-MacDonald> I can go
16:54:32 <laura> Zakim, take up item 1
16:54:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Charter Update/Discussion" taken up [from interaccess]
16:54:33 <NeilMilliken> I can go after David
16:54:42 <laura> Zakim, take up item 2
16:54:42 <Zakim> agendum 2. "'Proposal for modifying existing SC'  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ModifySCs/" taken up [from interaccess]
16:54:44 <AWK> regrets+ Moe_Kraft, wilco, lisa_seeman_thaddeus, Bruce_Bailey, jon_avila
16:54:46 <alastairc> sorry, when?
16:54:56 <Mike_Pluke> I can go when ready
16:55:08 <laura> Zakim, take up item 3
16:55:08 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Update from SC managers" taken up [from interaccess]
16:55:15 <erich> I can go, when ready
16:55:25 <David-MacDonald> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/58
16:55:36 <Judy> s/it is allowed in some circumstances/Incubation inside of WGs is allowed in some circumstances, according to best practices published by W3C in Nov 2016./
16:55:37 <laura> Laura: I can go any time
16:55:58 <laura> David: closed 57. Will be covered in 58
16:56:22 <marcjohlic> I can give a brief update on #62 and #70 also
16:56:30 <David-MacDonald> Linearisation: A mechanism is available to view content as a single column, except for parts of the content where the spatial layout is essential to the function and understanding of the content.
16:56:40 <laura> …came up with some language that may work
16:56:54 <gowerm> +1 for Alastair as a great guy to work with
16:57:27 <laura> One exception
16:57:44 <laura> …has done a pull request.
16:58:00 <jeanne> present+ jeanne
16:58:16 <laura> wayne: are the tables in exceptions.?
16:58:25 <laura> david: yes
16:58:44 <Ryladog> q+
16:58:45 <Joshue108> Ok - so the show and tell q is David, Neil, Alastiar, Mike, Laura, Erich, Marc
16:59:10 <jeanne> s/okay. does not matter to me./ Okay, I am not the one who does the work for rechartering, so I will agree to whatever you need to do to clear the objections.
16:59:20 <Jim_S> Add me to the end of thw show and tell queue please
16:59:30 <Joshue108> ack Ryla
16:59:33 <JF> Q+ to ask about what would happen if content was laid out in <table role="presentation"> - tables can be linearlized (I have a browser plugin already that does that)
16:59:36 <Joshue108> PR ready for Issue 58
17:00:03 <Joshue108> ack JF
17:00:03 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask about what would happen if content was laid out in <table role="presentation"> - tables can be linearlized (I have a browser plugin already that does that)
17:00:22 <Detlev> Wonder when form fields would be unable to be wrapped into a single column
17:00:38 <laura> JF: what happens for role=presentation?
17:01:08 <laura> David: exception is for data tables
17:01:27 <Wayne> q+
17:01:40 <Joshue108> Its not
17:01:58 <Joshue108>  please keep comments short or put it in the GH issues
17:02:00 <Wayne> q-
17:02:12 <laura> …will work on it in understanding doc
17:02:42 <laura> Neil: Issue 36: text is ready
17:02:47 <alastairc> JF, I think that comes down to 'essential for the use', if it uses presentational then the data table isn't 2D.
17:02:49 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/36
17:03:03 <laura> …standard control needs a definition
17:03:18 <David-MacDonald> q+
17:03:34 <Joshue108> ack dav
17:03:52 <laura> David: had anyone been loing at 36 and 9 overlap?
17:04:11 <David-MacDonald> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/9
17:04:15 <laura> Josh: commnent on the issue.
17:04:37 <laura> Neil: Working on clear purpose now.
17:04:48 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/39
17:04:52 <laura> …hope it is ready nex week.
17:05:03 <Joshue108> s/https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/39/https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/55
17:06:17 <alastairc> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/77
17:06:25 <laura> AC: Reflow content looking good.
17:06:38 <NeilMilliken> Clear Purpose https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/55#event-923293510
17:06:39 <laura> AC: update to resize text.
17:07:11 <laura> …lots of discussion.
17:07:45 <laura> …post to the list any commnets.
17:08:13 <David-MacDonald> q+
17:08:15 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/9
17:08:20 <laura> …also working on #9
17:08:38 <Joshue108> ack david
17:09:20 <Glenda> And I’ve not had a chance to work on #10 in the last week.  I do have a number of comments to think thru.  I was able to resolve/respond to 22 comments so far.  My notes (of what I accomplished so far) are here: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1#Glenda_Sims_.28.40Goodwitch.29
17:09:40 <Joshue108> great - thanks Glenda - next week?
17:09:46 <Joshue108> q?
17:09:51 <Glenda> Yes…put me on the queue for next week :)
17:09:56 <Mike_Pluke> Consistent Identification and Styles https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/28
17:10:16 <Mike_Pluke> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/48
17:10:19 <laura> Mike: has 2
17:11:11 <laura> Mike: issue on 28  alot adds to 324
17:11:15 <Joshue108> Change on request https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/48
17:11:32 <laura> …idea to split it.
17:12:27 <laura> …adding to SC or add exceptions?
17:12:48 <Joshue108> q+
17:12:59 <laura> …would like WG advice.
17:13:38 <David-MacDonald> do we have a definition of primary modality?
17:13:56 <Joshue108> ack me
17:14:02 <laura> …could add a note?
17:14:03 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ModifySCs/
17:14:25 <Wayne> q+
17:14:45 <laura> Josh: this weeks survey is how to handle adding to SCs
17:14:56 <alastairc> Judy - The direct link to the screencast is: https://alastairc.ac/tests/layouts/resizing-scs.mp4
17:15:29 <alastairc> Judy - From an email: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017JanMar/0202.html
17:16:01 <Joshue108> ack wayne
17:16:33 <laura> Issue 18 "Animation from interactions" Report
17:16:46 <laura> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/wcagwg/animation/report.html
17:16:49 <Joshue108> LC: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/18
17:17:04 <Joshue108> This is the first one - the conversation has been going well.
17:17:19 <Joshue108> LC: Duration and viewport size are the main points of discussion.
17:17:24 <laura> Issue 18 Organized Comments
17:17:25 <laura> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/wcagwg/animation/comments.html
17:17:29 <Joshue108> LC: I've been tracking comments etc
17:17:41 <Joshue108> LC: Here is table so please do have a look.
17:17:44 <laura> Issue 78 "Spacing" Report
17:17:51 <laura> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/wcagwg/spacing/report.html
17:17:56 <Joshue108> LC: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78
17:18:17 <Joshue108> LC: We don't have concencus on and there is quite a bit of disagreement
17:18:26 <laura> Issue 78 Organized Comments
17:18:33 <laura> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/wcagwg/spacing/comments.html
17:18:35 <Joshue108> LC: Wayne has an idea for a union model - so watch this space
17:18:38 <Wayne> q+
17:19:17 <Joshue108> ack wayne
17:19:29 <AWK> zakim, agenda?
17:19:29 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
17:19:30 <Zakim> 1. Charter Update/Discussion [from interaccess]
17:19:30 <Zakim> 2. 'Proposal for modifying existing SC'  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ModifySCs/ [from interaccess]
17:19:30 <Zakim> 3. Update from SC managers [from interaccess]
17:19:30 <Zakim> 4. Virtual F2F: Jan 31st [from interaccess]
17:19:46 <alastairc> present+ alastairc
17:20:16 <Detlev> what issue are we diascussing right now?
17:21:01 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78
17:21:08 <Joshue108> q?
17:21:11 <Glenda> q+
17:21:20 <laura> wayne:  being able to do spacing is important. as important as text alternatives.
17:21:35 <Joshue108> ack glenda
17:21:50 <Mike_Elledge> q+
17:22:21 <laura> GS: Are we going to let SCs out  if they are not mature?
17:22:27 <laura> Josh: yes.
17:22:31 <NeilMilliken> I have to drop off
17:22:54 <Jim_S> I can come in next week
17:22:57 <Joshue108> ack mike
17:23:22 <laura> Mike: Question to wayne. Maybe use sprites?
17:23:46 <laura> wayne: it is not a difficult thing.
17:24:10 <jamesn> q+
17:24:15 <laura> …can’t do high contrast.
17:24:32 <marcjohlic> Works for me
17:24:39 <jamesn> just want to correct something about high contrast
17:24:40 <Jim_S> +1
17:24:41 <shwetank> +1
17:24:47 <JohnRochford> +1
17:24:51 <erich> +1
17:24:51 <Jan> +1 to reviewing my SC at the next meeting
17:24:51 <Joshue108> ack james
17:25:35 <jamesn> it is only windows which removes background images in HC mode - and new versions will stop doing that even
17:25:36 <laura> zakim, takup item 4
17:25:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'takup item 4', laura
17:25:36 <marcjohlic> q+
17:25:43 <Joshue108> ack marc
17:25:46 <laura> zakim, takeup item 4
17:25:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'takeup item 4', laura
17:26:00 <laura> Zakim, take up item 4
17:26:00 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Virtual F2F: Jan 31st" taken up [from interaccess]
17:26:12 <Joshue108> TOPIC: Virtual F2F
17:26:37 <JF> Q+ to ask if it needs to be on the Tuesday
17:26:52 <marcjohlic> q+
17:26:55 <laura> AWK: no time will work great for everyone.
17:27:00 <jamesn> what is all day?
17:27:06 <laura> josh: all day event.
17:27:41 <Joshue108> tis a Tues
17:27:44 <Joshue108> ack JF
17:27:44 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask if it needs to be on the Tuesday
17:27:54 <laura> …tuesday was proposed.
17:27:55 <Jim_S> What time-zone for the virtual all day?
17:28:01 <David-MacDonald> +1
17:28:19 <laura> JS: maybe a monday or friday?
17:28:32 <JF> ack JF
17:28:36 <laura> josh: maybe half day.
17:28:44 <marcjohlic> ack marc
17:28:59 <laura> katie: do a poll.
17:28:59 <alastairc> 1/2 days easier for the time differences, a friday & monday. Suggest dooodle poll
17:29:02 <Joshue108> ack marc
17:29:21 <laura> Mike: out that whole week.
17:29:39 <laura> Zakim, take up item 2
17:29:39 <Zakim> agendum 2. "'Proposal for modifying existing SC'  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ModifySCs/" taken up [from interaccess]
17:30:01 <laura> josh: have a look at the survey.
17:30:03 <JohnRochford> Link goest to a 403 error
17:30:28 <laura> …positive responses.
17:30:28 <Jim_S> Take off the "
17:30:29 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ModifySCs/
17:30:43 <JohnRochford> ok tx
17:30:49 <laura> …thanks all.
17:31:28 <Mike_Elledge> bye
17:31:40 <Makoto> bye
17:31:45 <Joshue108> Start SC Managers Q with Erich and Marc
17:31:55 <laura> rrsagent, make minutes
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html laura
17:32:08 <laura> trackbot, end meeting
17:32:08 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:32:08 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AWK, JF, Laura, Pietro, Kathy, adam_solomon, marcjohlic, Greg_Lowney, Makoto, Lauriat, MikeGower, Jim_S, allanj, kirkwood, David-MacDonald,
17:32:11 <Zakim> ... JohnRochford, Judy, erich, Glenda, Detlev, Joshue108, Rachael, Mike_Pluke, shwetank, NeilMilliken, MichaelC, Wayne, Katie_Haritos-Shea, steverep, Mike, Elledge, jeanne,
17:32:11 <Zakim> ... alastairc
17:32:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:32:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
17:32:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:32:17 <RRSAgent> I see no action items