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16:21:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
16:21:14 <trackbot> Date: 10 January 2017
16:21:36 <rhiaro> okay folks try now
16:21:51 <tantek> hey did we get a Webmention REC yet?
16:22:06 <tantek> "you are the first person to join the meeting, please stand by"
16:22:08 <tantek> present+
16:22:11 <aaronpk> present+
16:22:16 <rhiaro> present+
16:22:33 <aaronpk> sandro sent me some messages this morning over irc but i don't see the REC up yet
16:23:01 <rhiaro> sorry aaronpk, we were too late to get the rec published today, so it's getting rescheduled for thursday
16:24:19 <tantek> we were so optimistic about last Thursday ;)
16:24:41 <cwebber> present+
16:24:43 <tantek> cwebber: we are good to go! dial-in info above
16:26:21 <rhiaro> scribenick: rhiaro
16:26:31 <rhiaro> TOPIC: New telecon time
16:26:42 <rhiaro> tantek: We seem to have a 50% success rate compared to previous telecons
16:26:54 <rhiaro> ... which is not great
16:27:04 <rhiaro> rhiaro: maybe we didn't announce it well enough..
16:27:32 <rhiaro> tantek: I think this time is better personally
16:27:36 <rhiaro> aaronpk: me too
16:27:51 <rhiaro> tantek: clearly midnight is better than 2am for rhiaro
16:27:53 <cwebber> it's fine :)
16:28:22 <rhiaro> tantek: let's at least confirm for those of us who are here that we like this time
16:28:29 <rhiaro> ... could you double check with sarven why he's not here?
16:28:39 <rhiaro> ... aaronpk, can you reach out to julien?
16:28:42 <rhiaro> ... I'll reach out to evan
16:29:08 <rhiaro> ... presumably if this is a notification problem rather than a time problem we'll stick with the current time and see what we find out
16:29:53 <rhiaro> ... That being said, let's look at the february dates and figure out a good date for that one
16:30:38 <tantek> options: 7 14 21 28
16:31:15 <rhiaro> rhiaro: 28th I can't
16:31:19 <rhiaro> tantek: possibly not 7th
16:31:21 <rhiaro> aaronpk: all fine for me
16:31:36 <rhiaro> tantek: on 21st I'm in Germany
16:32:12 <rhiaro> ... 21st is possible, but I worry about travelling
16:32:24 <rhiaro> ... slight preference for not 21st, but I could make it if necessary
16:32:36 <rhiaro> <rhiaro> 14th is a month from now, so..
16:32:38 <cwebber> what are we talking about?
16:32:40 <cwebber> a f2f?
16:32:49 <cwebber> telecon, oh ok
16:33:10 <cwebber> any date but the 7th
16:33:11 <rhiaro> tantek: we're picking a date pending confirmation of time from others
16:33:21 <rhiaro> ... I'm totally okay with 14th
16:33:30 <rhiaro> <rhiaro> Fine by me
16:33:41 <tantek> Proposed: February telcon on 2017-02-14
16:34:14 <rhiaro> +1
16:34:15 <cwebber> +1
16:34:15 <aaronpk> +1
16:34:47 <tantek> RESOLVED: February telcon on 2017-02-14
16:34:59 <rhiaro> TOPIC: Webmention rec status
16:35:40 <rhiaro> rhiaro: webmention rec delayed til thursday
16:35:51 <rhiaro> tantek: congratulations, good to get our first rec out
16:36:26 <rhiaro> TOPIC: getting CRs to PR
16:36:35 <rhiaro> TOPIC: AS2 and AP
16:36:41 <rhiaro> tantek: cwebber, how are they going in your opinion?
16:36:44 <rhiaro> ... Test coverage and implementations
16:37:05 <rhiaro> cwebber: I don't have a lot to report, but I will by next month. I was laying down infrastructure
16:37:12 <rhiaro> ... I expect to have a lot to show by next month's meeting
16:37:31 <rhiaro> tantek: awesome. one thing we're trying to do with this charter extension is trying to see how much we can get done with just telecons
16:37:40 <rhiaro> ... we haven't scheduled any f2f meetings. Doesn't mean we can't
16:37:55 <rhiaro> ... If we feel like that would help get us over the hump with transitioning, I think that would be a good justification for scheduling a f2f
16:38:15 <rhiaro> ... Checking out and trying out implementations works well in person
16:38:46 <rhiaro> ... As you're getting these specs through CR to PR, consider whether it would be helpful for you to have a f2f to show that the tests and implementations interoperate, and resolve any outstanding issues
16:39:03 <cwebber> bali sounds like quite the hop...
16:39:36 <rhiaro> TOPIC: LDN
16:40:37 <rhiaro> rhiaro: Tests are almost done, receiver is complete
16:40:45 <rhiaro> ... lots of upcoming implementations
16:40:51 <rhiaro> ... and quite a few alreayd listed
16:41:00 <rhiaro> TOPIC: Micropub
16:41:35 <aaronpk> https://micropub.rocks/reports
16:41:37 <rhiaro> aaronpk: I can't remember the last time we looked at these
16:41:47 <rhiaro> ... seven complete implementations
16:41:55 <rhiaro> ... two that look like people tried to submit but didnt' get very far
16:42:17 <rhiaro> ... In terms of issues there's just some editorial
16:42:33 <rhiaro> ... and one from tantek about mentioning prior art, same we did with webmention/websub
16:42:54 <rhiaro> tantek: test suite?
16:43:06 <rhiaro> aaronpk: it's complete for servers and there's no actual tests on clients yet
16:43:34 <rhiaro> tantek: plan for testing clients?
16:43:43 <rhiaro> aaronpk: documented in issue on the test suite repo
16:44:05 <tantek> issue link?
16:44:07 <rhiaro> ... this will be part of my publishing something related to socialwg stuff every day
16:44:10 <aaronpk> https://github.com/aaronpk/micropub.rocks/issues/40
16:44:40 <rhiaro> tantek: estimate for how long that might take?
16:45:05 <rhiaro> aaronpk: like two months because I'md oign websub tests as well
16:45:26 <rhiaro> TOPIC: all drafts
16:45:34 <rhiaro> tantek: have any issues been coming in since CR that we need to process?
16:45:39 <rhiaro> ... or all things you can handle as editor?
16:45:42 <cwebber> I think I can handle what's come in
16:46:10 <rhiaro> rhiaro: only editorial changes on LDN
16:46:36 <rhiaro> cwebber: I havne't been paying attention to AS2, but for AP they're all things I can handle
16:46:44 <rhiaro> tantek: so far non-normative?
16:46:46 <rhiaro> cwebber: right
16:47:06 <rhiaro> tantek: If we do have updated CR with editorial changes I think we can do that
16:47:11 <rhiaro> ... without extending CR
16:47:18 <rhiaro> rhiaro: yeah we can if it doens't affect implementations
16:47:33 <rhiaro> tantek: or if we have to restart the 4 weeks they need more time for tests anyway so it won't slow them down
16:47:40 <rhiaro> ... we can cross that line at the next telecon
16:47:49 <rhiaro> ... so go ahead and resolve your issues and edit in EDs
16:47:59 <rhiaro> ... and obviously if you have any questions, feel free to raise it for discussion
16:48:34 <rhiaro> ... It's probably worht publishing updated CR with the edits, good rhythm and shows we're being responsive
16:48:59 <rhiaro> tantek: any normative issues on micropub?
16:49:00 <rhiaro> aaronpk: nope
16:49:06 <rhiaro> TOPIC: WebSub
16:49:17 <rhiaro> tantek: how is test suite and implementations?
16:49:34 <rhiaro> aaronpk: No submissions yet
16:49:44 <rhiaro> ... people have been using the test suite cos I"ve had issues reported on it
16:49:49 <rhiaro> ... no new updates on functionality yet though
16:49:59 <rhiaro> ... In terms of issues on the spec, we're waiting for commenter on a couple of them
16:50:06 <rhiaro> ... an outstanding one from last f2f that I'm working on right now
16:50:29 <rhiaro> ... a new one from last week, that's a question
16:50:39 <rhiaro> ... and one assigned to julien, havne't heard from him for a while
16:50:47 <rhiaro> ... nothing to discuss here
16:50:55 <rhiaro> tantek: non-normative or?
16:50:59 <rhiaro> aaronpk: i think we don't know yet for some
16:51:39 <rhiaro> tantek: is there a chance you can collaborate with julien to determine whether these issues have normative impact or not?
16:51:46 <rhiaro> ... and if they do, propose edits accordingly by the 14th?
16:51:56 <rhiaro> aaronpk: yeah definitely
16:52:23 <rhiaro> tantek: we could resovle to publish a new CR at the new telecon including those edits if there are no objections
16:53:10 <rhiaro> ... and if we get new issues from implementors for any specs, propose normative edits and propose them we can accept them and publish them as updated CR
16:53:25 <rhiaro> ... aaronpk, add an entry for websub into document status page
16:53:27 <rhiaro> ... I'm not seeing it
16:53:29 <rhiaro> aaronpk: oh, okya
16:55:11 <tantek> reviewing https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#sched
16:55:23 <ben_thatmustbeme> ben_thatmustbeme has changed the topic to: Telcon: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2017-01-10. Telcon info: https://www.w3.org/2015/10/social-wg-telecon.htm IRC logs: https://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/today
16:55:57 <rhiaro> tantek: reviewing schedule we made as part of our charter extension proposal
16:56:09 <rhiaro> ... Sounds like we're pushing out PRs at least a month from what was planned
16:56:12 <rhiaro> ... WHich is okay, just want to ack
16:56:41 <rhiaro> ... Except AP, we had definitely planned for that to be later
16:57:27 <rhiaro> ... For each one of these we should be trying to... sounds like we won't be ready for PR in February
16:57:31 <rhiaro> ... except possibly LDN
16:57:49 <rhiaro> ... But we can't predict that we can enter PR for any of these, but let's a tleast get updated CRs published and aim to enter PR in March
16:57:55 <rhiaro> ... and if LDN comes in ahead of schedule that's great let's do that sooner
16:58:12 <rhiaro> ... but not let specs hold each other back
16:58:15 <cwebber> sounds right
16:58:19 <rhiaro> ... except moving AS2 and AP together
16:58:21 <rhiaro> ... Sound right?
16:58:55 <rhiaro> ... So if we're trying to go to PR in march, that might be a tiem we'd consider having a f2f
16:59:19 <rhiaro> ... We need to annoucne a f2f some weeks in advance
16:59:21 <rhiaro> rhiaro: I think it's 8 weeks
16:59:32 <rhiaro> tantek: so either march or april, if we decide that would be useful
16:59:39 <cwebber> note that I'll be in boston for libreplanet again :)
16:59:40 <rhiaro> ... how do people feel about that?
16:59:45 <rhiaro> ... time/resource availability?
16:59:54 <rhiaro> <rhiaro> in April I'll be in Australia
17:00:11 <rhiaro> cwebber: libreplanet is march 25-26 at MIT
17:00:23 <cwebber> https://libreplanet.org/2017/
17:00:49 <rhiaro> tantek: so one possiblity would be a f2f right before or right after
17:00:51 <rhiaro> cwebber: good for me
17:01:08 <rhiaro> tantek: we know we can get space at MIT
17:01:16 <rhiaro> ... timing with libreplanet is good
17:01:30 <rhiaro> ... anyone else have any paritcular feelings about locatino or time? (not that we have to have one..)
17:01:45 <rhiaro> ... but if we start thinking about it now it's more likely to work out
17:01:54 <ben_thatmustbeme> obviously, MIT always works well for me
17:02:12 <rhiaro> aaronpk: west coast works better for me, but I can probably make MIT work
17:02:28 <ben_thatmustbeme> are we able to have one since we said we would not be having one in our extension?
17:03:11 <tantek> zakim, who is here?
17:03:11 <Zakim> Present: tantek, aaronpk, rhiaro, cwebber
17:03:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, cwebber, ben_thatmustbeme, tantek, timbl, wilkie, csarven, raucao, jet, mattl, bigbluehat, dwhly, bitbear, KjetilK, pdurbin, aaronpk, strugee, Loqi, rhiaro,
17:03:13 <Zakim> ... wseltzer, trackbot, sandro
17:03:14 <rhiaro> rhiaro: I couldn't make it to MIT but could do remote the week before libreplanet but not after
17:03:26 <rhiaro> tantek: we said we didn't plan to ahve one, but could resolve to
17:03:39 <ben_thatmustbeme> ahh okay
17:03:41 <tantek> ben_thatmustbeme: we discussed (see above in IRC) that we could choose to have one optionally, especially if we thought it would help with the push from CR to PR for our specs
17:04:09 <rhiaro> tantek: the week of March 20-24 is a possible time range for a f2f at MIT
17:04:19 <rhiaro> ... If we decide in time that that would help
17:05:02 <rhiaro> ... anything going on in april that anyone would be conveniently travelling near to?
17:05:44 <rhiaro> tantek: I have a CSS WG f2f in tokyo april 19-21
17:06:05 <rhiaro> ... so I could make it to australia before or after that... but I'm gonna guess that's nto the limiting factor for australia
17:06:13 <rhiaro> ... aaronpk and cwebber: any chance you could make it?
17:06:17 <rhiaro> aaronpk & cwebber: pretty slim
17:06:21 <rhiaro> ... budgetory issue
17:06:45 <rhiaro> tantek: doesn't look like we'llg et to australia
17:07:15 <rhiaro> cwebber: west coast is probably feasible, just another flight added to the mix
17:07:19 <rhiaro> ... I'd  have to look at budget
17:07:38 <rhiaro> tantek: we also have julien on the east coast
17:07:44 <rhiaro> ... evan tends to pop back and forth, so I presume he could make either
17:07:50 <rhiaro> ... depending on dates
17:07:59 <rhiaro> ... I could host in Mozilla if we did it west coast
17:08:15 <rhiaro> ... and we did last f2f at east coast
17:08:27 <rhiaro> ... any date ranges better or worse for people?
17:08:56 <rhiaro> ... okay if we don't know, can discuss in february
17:09:12 <rhiaro> aaronpk: I have to go but will catch up on irc later
17:09:15 <rhiaro> tantek: I think this is th elast topic
17:09:24 <rhiaro> q?
17:09:33 <rhiaro> TOPIC: AOB?
17:09:42 <rhiaro> tantek: thanks everyone. Next telecon set, feb 14th
17:09:50 <rhiaro> 8am pacific, 11 eastern, 16 utc
17:09:59 <tantek> https://www.w3.org/2015/10/social-wg-telecon.html
17:10:19 <rhiaro> ... good luck everyone
17:10:22 <rhiaro> trackbot, end meeting
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