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17:55:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
17:55:52 <trackbot> Date: 05 January 2017
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17:56:02 <Rich> chair: Rich
17:58:23 <Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Jan/0009.html
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18:03:17 <tink> present+ Léonie
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18:08:07 <tink> scribenick: tink
18:08:12 <tink> scribe: Léonie
18:08:16 <tink> zakim, agenda?
18:08:16 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
18:08:31 <tink> TOPIC: WG Chairs
18:08:31 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
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18:08:40 <tink> RS: Welcome Joanie as co-chair.
18:09:01 <Stefan> Stefan has joined #aria
18:09:01 <tink> ... We have a co-ordination call on a Monday. We may need to talk about times offline.
18:09:06 <tink> JMD: Sure.
18:09:15 <tink> TOPIC: dPub roles
18:09:26 <tink> RS: These are now supported in the conformance validator.
18:09:31 <tink> ... Mappings are also in place.
18:09:45 <tink> TOPIC: HTML AAM
18:09:56 <tink> RS: Request from WebPlat to review changes.
18:10:25 <Stefan> +present Stefan
18:10:29 <tink> ... We have comments (not many).
18:10:57 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues
18:11:09 <tink> ... Comments are on the wiki, is that ok?
18:11:25 <tink> LW: If you could post them to the Github repo when they're finalised, that would be welcome.
18:11:46 <tink> RS: Suggest we do this review in the Core AAM group.
18:12:02 <MichielBijl> present+
18:12:25 <tink> ... Thank you for keeping us up to date Léonie.
18:12:36 <tink> LW: No problem. Let me know if this way of keeping you up dated works?
18:12:39 <Stefan> present+
18:12:40 <tink> RS: Will do.
18:13:45 <tink> ... Related, we're going to post ARIA 1.2 with roles for all HTML elements that have mappings.
18:13:52 <tink> TOPIC: ARIA in HTML
18:15:05 <tink> RS: We had comments. Is everyone ok with them?
18:15:29 <tink> JG: Feedback from Steve accepted the comment about no defined role.
18:15:53 <tink> ... The definition term would need a mapping change to happen first though.
18:15:59 <tink> RS: In our doc?
18:16:02 <tink> JS: Yes.
18:16:03 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-term
18:16:12 <tink> RS: Ok.
18:17:36 <tink> JG: Filed issues already.
18:17:42 <tink> TOPIC: Testable statements
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18:18:29 <tink> JG: Have had useful feedback from Jamie Teh.
18:18:38 <tink> ... Haven't heard much from the MS people.
18:19:45 <tink> ... Will put more time into this, but help is always welcome.
18:19:53 <Stefan> present+: Stefan
18:20:03 <tink> RS: Have been working with Freedom Scientific on their ARIA implementation.
18:20:32 <tink> JG: Don't think they willcontribute code though.
18:20:54 <tink> RS: Glen from FS and Jamie from NVAccess were considering becoming IE.
18:22:16 <tink> ... Think everything is in Firefox now.
18:22:33 <tink> s/Tink everything is/Think everything is/
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18:24:38 <tink> TOPIC: ARIA 1.2 feature triage
18:24:49 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#the-data-element
18:25:17 <Rich> The data element represents its contents, along with a machine-readable form of those contents in the value attribute.
18:25:19 <tink> RS: Do not think a role for the <data> element needs to be created.
18:25:28 <Rich> The value attribute must be present. Its value must be a representation of the element’s contents in a machine-readable format.
18:25:45 <clown> When combined with microformats or microdata, the element serves to provide both a machine-readable value for the purposes of data processors, and a human-readable value for the purposes of rendering in a Web browser.
18:26:06 <tink> RS: So how is it rendered?
18:27:34 <Rich> http://www.quackit.com/html_5/tags/html_data_tag.cfm
18:29:00 <MichielBijl> +1
18:29:09 <tink> ... Doesn't seem to have much/any user impact.
18:29:26 <tink> JS: No.
18:29:58 <tink> RS: Ok. No need to create a role for the <data> element.
18:30:39 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#textlevel-semantics
18:30:51 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-time
18:30:54 <tink> RS: The <time> element.
18:31:01 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/textlevel-semantics.html#the-time-element
18:31:53 <tink> ... There is nothing in the APIs that I know of.
18:32:14 <tink> MC: I think UA are supposed to translate this into something human readable.
18:32:32 <tink> LW: Yes.
18:34:36 <tink> MC: Inclined to say it maps to the text role, but say that UA should transform it to something less "codey" when doing the mapping.
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18:34:43 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-time
18:35:25 <tink> RS: UIA has a localised control type.
18:35:33 <tink> JS: This is just text not a control though.
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18:36:15 <tink> MB: The human readable bit is already there.
18:36:28 <tink> RS: You might want a screen reader to announce it differently.
18:36:42 <tink> MC: The human readable bit might only be almost human readable.
18:36:49 <tink> RS: Think this is worth considering.
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18:38:23 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 507 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/507
18:38:39 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-code
18:38:41 <tink> RS: The <code> element.
18:38:48 <tink> MC: Already triaged.
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18:38:54 <tink> RS: Outcome?
18:39:10 <tink> JS: There is no corresponding role - xcept group.
18:39:48 <tink> MC: We triaged into issue 485.
18:40:08 <clown> s/xcept group/except AX API, which maps to Group/
18:40:18 <tink> ... the issue was to consider all inline semantics together.
18:40:28 <tink> ... Reluctant to separate them out during triage.
18:40:44 <tink> RS: Think we should not do any more on text level semantics?
18:41:07 <tink> MC: No, but we've already triaged <code>, we should tirage therest then revisit the things we want to later.
18:41:30 <tink> LW: FWIW I would like to see this mapped.
18:41:57 <tink> RS: The <mark> element.
18:41:59 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-mark
18:42:14 <tink> ... Plays into drag and drop.
18:42:55 <tink> LW: It's also used to denote/highlight exceprts in content - like code.
18:43:20 <tink> MB: Some browsers mark it in yellow with black.
18:43:30 <tink> RS: Mybe separate attributes depending on its use?
18:44:29 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 508 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/508
18:44:44 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-bdi
18:44:45 <tink> MC: <bdo> and <bdi>
18:44:55 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-bdo
18:44:58 <Rich> The bdi element represents a span of text that is to be isolated from its surroundings for the purposes of bidirectional text formatting.
18:45:12 <Rich> The bdo element represents explicit text directionality formatting control for its children. It allows authors to override the Unicode bidirectional algorithm by explicitly specifying a direction override. [BIDI]
18:46:15 <tink> MC: Think it's mostly used with multi-lingual content.
18:47:33 <tink> RS: Does it map to text?
18:47:37 <tink> SM: Fairly sure not.
18:48:15 <tink> RS: Think we need to think about a role.
18:49:38 <clown> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/bdo#Examples
18:49:53 <tink> JS: You want to show what's rendered on-screen.
18:50:28 <tink> SM: The intended use case is that something like Hebrew is presented in the middle of English content.
18:50:41 <tink> ... The screen reader should read the languages in their expected order.
18:51:38 <tink> MC: So the first word in the source order should be the first word you here with a screen reader.
18:51:50 <tink> RS: We need to look at this. Anyone?
18:52:41 <tink> ... Lisa perhaps?
18:53:22 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 509 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/509
18:53:51 <tink> MC: The <br> and <wbr> elements
18:53:54 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-br
18:54:06 <tink> RS: Is <br> exposed?
18:54:23 <tink> MC: MSAA has role system whiteppace.
18:54:27 <tink> JS: Nothing else has it.
18:54:48 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-wbr
18:55:01 <tink> JMD: <br> is exposted in ATK as a new line character.
18:55:31 <tink> RS: Think we should look at this.
18:55:35 <tink> ... assign it to me.
18:55:49 <tink> ... include <wbr>.
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18:56:40 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 510 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/510
18:58:49 <MichielBijl> Aufwiedersehen goodbye
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