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19:49:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:49:09 <trackbot> Date: 04 January 2017
19:54:05 <phila> regrets+ Raphaël, Scott, Linda, Bill, Rob, Ed
19:55:28 <phila> present+ phila
19:55:39 <kerry> present+ kerry
19:56:07 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170104
19:56:10 <phila> scribe: phila
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19:57:48 <phila> -> https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/ My current version of the SSN doc
19:58:01 <ahaller2> present+ ahaller2
19:58:15 <phila> phila: This includes a *lot* of tweaks, but nothing substantive of course
19:58:34 <phila> ... mainly adding and fixing the references (which were a royal mess, sorry)
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20:00:55 <phila> phila: I need help resolving the broken links in the doc, see https://validator.w3.org/checklink?uri=https%3A%2F%2Fphilarcher1.github.io%2Fsdw%2Fssn%2F&hide_type=all&depth=&check=Check
20:03:31 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
20:03:43 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:03:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/04-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:04:13 <ahaller2> I can
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20:04:35 <phila> chair: Armin
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20:05:56 <ahaller2> https://www.w3.org/2016/11/30-sdw-minutes.html
20:06:13 <phila> ahaller2: Last meeting minutes - 30 Nov
20:06:18 <ahaller2> +1
20:06:30 <MattPerry> +1
20:06:35 <phila> ahaller2: Any objections?
20:06:48 <kerry> +1
20:06:58 <phila> RESOLUTION: Accepted minutes of 30 November
20:07:34 <phila> Topic: Patent call
20:08:07 <phila> [No comment]
20:08:08 <phila> Topic: SSN document
20:08:13 <ahaller2> topic: Propose to publish SSN Working Draft http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/ as foreshadowed at F2F https://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-sdw-minutes#item09.
20:08:30 <phila> -> https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/ My working copy of the doc
20:09:07 <phila> phila: I need people who know about SSN to look at https://validator.w3.org/checklink?uri=https%3A%2F%2Fphilarcher1.github.io%2Fsdw%2Fssn%2F&hide_type=all&depth=&check=Check
20:09:30 <kerry> q+ to comment on broken links by irc only
20:10:07 <phila> https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/#SSNhasOutput (lines 2305, 2316)
20:10:07 <phila> https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/#SSNobservedBy (lines 1916, 1926)
20:10:07 <phila> https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/#SSNhttp://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/Output (line 1605)
20:10:07 <phila> https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/#SSNhasValue (line 2764)
20:10:08 <phila> https://philarcher1.github.io/sdw/ssn/#SSNhasInput (line 2293)
20:10:25 <phila> ahaller2: They should be SSN, not SOSA
20:10:52 <phila> ack k
20:10:52 <Zakim> kerry, you wanted to comment on broken links by irc only
20:11:02 <ahaller2> ack kerry
20:11:08 <ahaller2> please post it into IRC
20:11:12 <kerry> reminding I cannot hear
20:11:30 <kerry> the 404 is to an ontology that needs to be deployed in w3 space
20:11:43 <phila> ahaller2: Is looking up why those links are borken
20:11:54 <phila> ... They should be right but they're not
20:12:15 <phila> phila: Yes, Kerry, but I don't know which of the *many* RDF files I'm supposed to put there
20:12:15 <kerry> the ones phil has typed in are all specgen-sourced --- I thnk then fixed by armin
20:12:28 <kerry> no -- not many!
20:12:43 <kerry> "ine: 3875 http://www.w3.org/2017/01/ssn-ssnx"
20:12:59 <kerry> that one is new --- on github
20:13:06 <phila> Yes, I know the destination, but which RDF file on GH
20:13:31 <kerry> ok -- looking up
20:13:31 <laurent_oz> Phil: specgen generates blank cell in some tables.
20:13:47 <laurent_oz> ... which I have to delete.
20:14:08 <laurent_oz> ... e.g. tables which have two declared columns and then have three
20:14:41 <phila> phila: Which of the files at https://github.com/w3c/sdw/tree/gh-pages/ssn/rdf goes in /2017/01?
20:14:50 <kerry> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/tree/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated
20:15:15 <kerry> These three are all needed
20:15:22 <kerry> ssn.owl replaces previous
20:15:50 <kerry> dul-alignment is for broken link  "ine: 3875 http://www.w3.org/2017/01/ssn-ssnx"
20:15:59 <kerry> No!
20:16:20 <kerry> ssn-equivalences is for broken link ine: 3875 http://www.w3.org/2017/01/ssn-ssnx"
20:16:36 <kerry> dul-alignment replaces previous (ssn-dul)
20:16:41 <phila> http://www.w3.org/ns/sosa/ now works
20:16:50 <kerry> and there is one more --- the new sosa
20:17:31 <ahaller2> observedBy defined in SSN  http://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/observedBy
20:17:31 <phila> ahaller2: Those properties aren't being included by SpecGen as there is no label
20:17:38 <kerry> there is only one fil in the https://github.com/w3c/sdw/tree/gh-pages/ssn/rdf  directory --- only sosoa.ttl
20:17:39 <ahaller2> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated/ssn.owl
20:18:27 <phila> No, Kerry, I see *10* RDF files in that GH directory
20:19:01 <laurent_oz> q+
20:19:12 <phila> ack l
20:19:14 <kerry> in the rdf directory -- only one file is relevant -- https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/ssn/rdf/sosa.ttl
20:19:22 <KJanowic> phila, imho, we only need to care about  https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/sdw/gh-pages/ssn/rdf/sosa.ttl , right?
20:19:33 <ahaller2> there are several properties in SSN that are not in the document, because they do not have a label in the ontology: SSNobservedBy, #SSNhasValue , #SSNhasInput, #SSNhasOutput
20:19:36 <phila> laurent_oz: It surprised me to see a .owl extension when the content in Turtle
20:19:40 <phila> ... I'd expect to see .ttl
20:19:46 <ahaller2> kerry, please have a look at them
20:20:22 <KJanowic> q+
20:20:23 <kerry> armin --- not sure what you are asking me/
20:20:30 <ahaller2> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated/ssn.owl
20:20:39 <KJanowic> the raw file: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/sdw/gh-pages/ssn/rdf/sosa.ttl
20:20:49 <KJanowic> see my link
20:21:12 <ahaller2> http://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/
20:21:20 <phila> phila: For clarity,  https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated/ssn.owl replaces /ns/ssn
20:21:32 <KJanowic> q+
20:21:42 <KJanowic> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/sdw/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated/ssn.owl
20:21:56 <phila> ack k
20:22:27 <phila> KJanowic: Be careful to take the raw files, not the rendered ones
20:22:45 <ahaller2> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/sdw/gh-pages/ssn/rdf/sosa.ttl
20:23:02 <phila> phila: So that one is /ns/sosa/ - done
20:23:10 <ahaller2> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/tree/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated
20:23:26 <ahaller2> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/sdw/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated/dul-alignment.owl
20:23:45 <ahaller2> ->http://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/dul/
20:24:02 <KJanowic> q+
20:24:18 <phila> ack kj
20:24:34 <ahaller2> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/sdw/gh-pages/ssn/ssn_separated/ssn_equivalences.owl -> http://www.w3.org/2017/01/ssn-ssnx
20:24:44 <KJanowic> e.g., http://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/dul-a/
20:24:48 <phila> KJanowic: Don't mean to be picky, but I think we shouild call it Dul-A so it doesn't look likem it's the actual DUL ontology
20:25:11 <phila> KJanowic: It's not the namespace for DUL, it's the alignment
20:25:52 <kerry> q+ to ask what the hell dul-A is?  Never heard of  it before?
20:26:00 <phila> phila: I agree, KJanowic, I don't like having alignments in /ns
20:26:04 <phila> ahaller2: We discuessed this last time
20:26:28 <kerry> It has not moved --- it was there for FPWd!
20:26:38 <KJanowic> kerry: dul-a is our alignment to dul. ns/dul does not point to dul and we should be careful not to confuse people
20:26:42 <phila> ... Kerry was saying it deserves its own namespace; I don't have an opinion. I like the idea of dul-a but I also like dated space
20:27:07 <kerry> there is nothingdated about that dul alignment
20:27:22 <KJanowic> imho, we do not need a namespace for the alignment but I will be fine with whatever the rest of you like to do
20:27:24 <ahaller2> s/nothingdated/nothing dated
20:28:12 <KJanowic> ok
20:28:15 <kerry> maybe you missed this --- but it is *alrady* in /ns as it was for the fpwd
20:28:31 <phila> phila: With hindsight, we'd have done it differently, but, well, we didn't have hindsight.
20:28:39 <phila> ahaller2: OK.
20:28:40 <ahaller2> Topic: Coming back to the missing properties
20:28:55 <laurent_oz> I suggest that in the next version we include a ssn-dul prefix in dul-alignment to make it clear it is not DUL.
20:29:12 <ahaller2> Kerry, can you have a look at them and add them back into the document?
20:29:19 <kerry> q+ to answer laurent
20:29:48 <kerry> armin, yes I can --- I suppose I can just fake the specgen output for them
20:30:05 <phila> ahaller2: The problem is that properties don't have labels so SpecGen can't generate, so we need to handcraft
20:30:22 <ahaller2> ack kerrty
20:30:22 <phila> ack kerry
20:30:23 <Zakim> kerry, you wanted to ask what the hell dul-A is?  Never heard of  it before? and to answer laurent
20:30:26 <ahaller2> ack kerry
20:30:30 <ahaller2> please post to IRC!
20:30:49 <kerry> I think the dul-a thing is over
20:30:56 <laurent_oz> OK, kerry I retract what I said (because there is nothing in the file which would use it)
20:31:05 <kerry> but to mention that it is "ssn-dul" --- and that is the prefix
20:31:27 <kerry> was laurent asking for a declaraion of the prefix inside ssn-dul?  that could be done.
20:31:36 <laurent_oz> (I was just trying to make it consistent with our use of ssn-ssnxg)
20:32:07 <laurent_oz> Yes, kerry, but see my previous point,
20:32:22 <kerry> yes, there is no ssn-dul used inside the file becuase there are no new terms in the file --- but a prefix statement could be included i suppose if it is useful
20:33:09 <kerry> q-
20:33:36 <laurent_oz> Phil: I'll use the right extensions for the file .ttl or .owl
20:34:22 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/ Now up to date
20:35:09 <laurent_oz> Memo for the next version: check that all classes/properties have labels.
20:35:48 <kerry> action: kerry to put labels in those ssn terms without them e.f observedBy
20:35:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-250 - Put labels in those ssn terms without them e.f observedby [on Kerry Taylor - due 2017-01-11].
20:36:22 <kerry> q+ to ask about references
20:36:28 <ahaller2> ack kerry
20:36:28 <Zakim> kerry, you wanted to ask about references
20:36:38 <kerry> phil mentioned trouble with references
20:36:38 <ahaller2> kerry please post your question
20:37:09 <phila> ahaller2: Any other requests for changes?
20:37:17 <phila> ... or comments?
20:37:20 <kerry> the mostimportant one --- to the ssn paper (which was the only one for fpwd)
20:37:28 <kerry> seems to have gone?
20:37:43 <kerry> cna that be put back ---- is it possible it just disappeared today?
20:37:44 <phila> Where's the ref to it in the doc?
20:38:02 <phila> Only docs that are referred to make it into the references sectrion :-)
20:38:17 <kerry> ok --- that must be the problem!
20:38:20 <phila> :-)
20:38:32 <kerry> well I can add a link if you want or we can do that as an action for next time
20:38:42 <KJanowic> Hmm, I see the ssn paper in the reference section
20:38:44 <phila> See https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/ssn/config.js
20:39:14 <phila> phila: I think all the references are in that config file, but ReSpec ignores anything not cited in the doc
20:39:36 <kerry> So does the group want me to writesomething to use the reference for the vote -- or just leave it to newt wd?
20:39:53 <KJanowic> SSNO
20:40:39 <laurent_oz> In the previous published version was here: Based on this initial work, the following document specifies a revised, modularized, and extended version of the SSN [SSNO].
20:40:52 <KJanowic> That is the reference to the paper not the report
20:40:55 <ahaller2> kerry, there is a reference to SSNO the journal paper, but not to the SSN XG, you want both I suppose?
20:40:57 <kerry> laurent is right --- where did that go?
20:40:58 <laurent_oz> at the end of part 1
20:42:04 <KJanowic> https://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/ssnx/ssn is the document
20:42:05 <ahaller2> http://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/
20:42:25 <phila> phila: So the final sentence of part 1 should say Based on this initial work, the following document specifies a revised, modularized, and extended version of the SSN ontology. [SSNO]
20:42:34 <phila> ... and that links to https://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/ssnx/ssn
20:42:48 <laurent_oz> q+
20:42:56 <KJanowic> q+
20:43:01 <phila> ack l
20:43:08 <ahaller2> ack laurent_oz
20:43:16 <KJanowic> we are confusing document and paper
20:43:22 <phila> laurent_oz: The SSNO link pointed to the journal paper, not to the generated documentation
20:43:26 <phila> ... i.e. it was to
20:43:31 <laurent_oz> SSNO = Michael Compton; Payam Barnaghi; Luis Bermudez; Raúl García-Castro; Oscar Corcho; Simon Cox; John Graybeal; Manfred Hauswirth; Cory Henson; Arthur Herzog; Vincent Huang; Krzysztof Janowicz; W. David Kelsey; Danh Le Phuoc; Laurent Lefort; Myriam Leggieri; Holger Neuhaus; Andriy Nikolov; Kevin Page; Alexandre Passant; Amit Sheth; Kerry Taylor. Web Semantics: Science, Services and Agents on the World Wide Web, 17:25-32 . The SSN ontology of the W[CUT]
20:43:45 <KJanowic> q+
20:44:11 <ahaller2> ack KJanowic
20:44:39 <phila> KJanowic: Let's use the SSNO link that points to the article for now
20:44:53 <phila> ahaller2: That's in the config file, so just add [[SSSNO]] to the end pf part 1
20:45:12 <ahaller2> q?
20:46:28 <phila> PROPOSED: To publish the SSN document as at http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/, with addition of link to SSNO at the end of part 1, and relevant RDF files being put in place/updated; plus addition of missing SSN properties
20:46:49 <kerry> q+
20:47:04 <ahaller2> kerry, please post your question?
20:47:07 <ahaller2> ack kerry
20:47:21 <phila> phila: We have proxy votes from Linda, Ed, Scott, Bill, Rob, Raphael
20:47:22 <kerry> re "updated" in motion
20:47:37 <kerry> is hter anything to update? in rdf files/ - I don't think so
20:48:02 <phila> phila: No, nbothing to update in the files, but I need to update the w3.org copies/put them in place
20:48:08 <ahaller2> there should be updates later to SSN to include labels with the properties, but that is ok for now
20:48:26 <ahaller2> those five properties that have missing labels
20:48:40 <ahaller2> but, I will handcraft that for the document
20:48:41 <kerry> so there are no "updates" to rdf files  for the vote, right?
20:48:49 <ahaller2> no updates to the RDF files
20:48:50 <phila> Correct, Kerry
20:48:54 <kerry> good
20:48:59 <laurent_oz> Have we change ssn-bc to ssn-ssnxg in ssn-equivalence ?
20:48:59 <ahaller2> q?
20:49:04 <kerry> also there are some more proxy votes:
20:49:04 <laurent_oz> q+
20:49:12 <phila> phila: Yes, laurent_oz
20:49:15 <ahaller2> ack laurent_oz
20:49:15 <phila> ack l
20:50:06 <ahaller2> q?
20:50:23 <phila> PROPOSED: To publish the SSN document as at http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/, with addition of link to SSNO at the end of part 1, and relevant RDF files being put in place/updated; plus addition of missing SSN properties
20:50:36 <ahaller2> +1
20:50:38 <kerry> +1
20:50:39 <MattPerry> +1
20:50:40 <laurent_oz> +1
20:50:42 <DanhLePhuoc> +1
20:50:48 <kerry> q+ after vote
20:50:50 <phila> phila: We have proxy votes from Linda, Ed, Scott, Bill, Rob, Raphael, so +6
20:50:50 <KJanowic> +1
20:51:10 <phila> RESOLUTION: To publish the SSN document as at http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/, with addition of link to SSNO at the end of part 1, and relevant RDF files being put in place/updated; plus addition of missing SSN properties
20:51:22 <kerry> q-
20:51:27 <kerry> q- after
20:51:28 <ahaller2> q?
20:51:28 <kerry> q- vote
20:51:55 <kerry> q+
20:52:00 <KJanowic> Thanks phila,ahaller2 for getting us through that!
20:52:05 <ahaller2> q?
20:52:09 <ahaller2> ack kerry
20:52:19 <ahaller2> please post quickly
20:52:19 <kerry> who will fix the doc dor missing properties?
20:52:29 <ahaller2> missing properties I will fix
20:52:36 <kerry> I can do it in about 4 hours from now -- is it to be me?
20:52:41 <ahaller2> doc will be fixed by phila
20:52:43 <kerry> sorry -- got that
20:52:51 <kerry> thks armin I will not touch
20:53:06 <ahaller2> q?
20:53:16 <phila> ahaller2: Thanks everyone for joining today
20:53:25 <KJanowic> bye bye
20:53:25 <phila> [Happy New Year]
20:53:34 <ahaller2> bye
20:53:49 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:53:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/04-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:54:06 <kerry> happy new year and bye!
20:54:11 <phila> present+ MattPerry
20:54:13 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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