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XForms Users Community Group Teleconference

21 Dec 2016

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Alain, Erik, Philip, Steven
Regrets
Chair
Steven
Scribe
Steven

Contents


submission/@ref

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0044.html

Steven: "Does anyone have any objection to describing it as a Single Item Binding?"

Alain: OK for me

Philip: Yes

ACTION-2087 - in-scope evaluation context

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0047.html

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0045.html

Steven: "If a binding evaluates to an empty sequence, any contained bindings are

not evaluated. "

Steven: Do we need this sentence?
... What would stop working?

<ebruchez> <group ref="()"><input ref="."/></group>

Erik: What examples would be covered?

<ebruchez> <group ref="()"><input ref="instance()"/></group>

Erik: There are two aspects
... if a group is non-relevant, the contents is non-relevant
... from an XPath viewpoint, you could have an expression that evaluates properly

Steven: This example:

<group ref="()"><output ref="1"/></group>

Steven: ASo you say that if we don't have that line, this would still output 1?

Erik: It is a question of relevance

Steven: So my question remains. Are there examples for the need of the original sentence?

<ebruchez> <bind ref="()"><bind ref="instance()"></bind>

S/ASo/So/

Steven: I think in this case the inner bind would work

<ebruchez> <bind ref="1 to 10"><bind ref="instance()"></bind>

<ebruchez> <bind ref="a"><bind ref="instance()"></bind>

Erik: And there are ten a's
... I would get 10 inner binds
... and with 0 a's I would get one inner bind
... so this sentence ensures that you get no inner binds.

Steven: Thanks for the example. Then the sentence stays.

Erik: Though I'm only half convinced
... bind is a Sequence binding which we handle, and so the inner bind doesn't get evaluated.

Steven: I see what you mean.

Erik: Yes, my binding example would work fine with or without the sentence.
... I think relevance takes care of all other cases.
... so I think you can remove the sentence.

Steven: Alright. Great.

insert and delete (when at is out of bounds)

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0090.html

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0036.html

Steven: I put this on the agenda because I realised we don't have any error events that allow you to proceed without further action.
... and while I was rewriting the text I got cold feet. But I have now persuaded myself that generating an error event is OK; you can still catch it and ignore it.

Serialization as multipart/related

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0006.html

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Dec/0030.html

Steven: It looks like a good proposal
... but I need more time to think about the design and consequences

Erik: Trying to implement this is very specific in XForms, without any real control

Steven: Is there a lot of demand for multipart?

Alain: We implemented
... I think it gets used.

Steven: I see a lot of similarities in your proposal Erik with how we treat headers for instance, so I think we can unify the treatment.

AOB

Steven: Next call is January 11th\

<scribe> ACTION: Steven to make submission/@ref a Single Item Binding [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/21-forms-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2106 - Make submission/@ref a single item binding [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-12-28].

<scribe> ACTION: Steve to adopt new Evaluation Context text [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/21-forms-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Error finding 'Steve'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/users>.

<scribe> ACTION: Steven to adopt new Evaluation Context text [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/21-forms-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2107 - Adopt new evaluation context text [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-12-28].

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Steve to adopt new Evaluation Context text [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/21-forms-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Steven to adopt new Evaluation Context text [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/21-forms-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Steven to make submission/@ref a Single Item Binding [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/21-forms-minutes.html#action01]
 

Summary of Resolutions

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