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14:26:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:26:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:26:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Silver Task Force Teleconference
14:26:52 <trackbot> Date: 16 December 2016
14:27:42 <jeanne> agenda?
14:27:50 <jeanne> zakim, close item 5
14:27:50 <Zakim> agendum 5, task force structure and tooling, closed
14:27:51 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
14:28:01 <jeanne> agenda:
14:28:35 <jeanne> agenda+ Stakeholder Map
14:28:35 <jeanne> agenda+ review updates to the Research Design page
14:28:35 <jeanne> agenda+ CSUN "Town Hall" description and catchy name brainstorm
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14:32:26 <SarahHorton> trackbot, start meeting
14:32:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:32:32 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:32:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Silver Task Force Teleconference
14:32:32 <trackbot> Date: 16 December 2016
14:32:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:32:48 <SarahHorton> agenda+ Stakeholder Map
14:33:02 <SarahHorton> zakim, clear agenda
14:33:02 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:33:08 <SarahHorton> agenda+ Stakeholder Map
14:33:12 <SarahHorton> agenda+ review updates to the Research Design page
14:33:18 <SarahHorton> agenda+ CSUN "Town Hall" description and catchy name brainstorm
14:34:34 <SarahHorton> present+ Jeanne, Jan, Jemma, Shawn
14:34:52 <SarahHorton> Scribe: Sarah
14:35:40 <SarahHorton> present+ Judy
14:36:41 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 6
14:36:41 <Zakim> I only see 3 items on the agenda
14:36:45 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Stakeholder map and stakeholder responses
14:36:51 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
14:36:51 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Stakeholder Map" taken up [from SarahHorton]
14:37:17 <SarahHorton> Link to stakeholder map doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XK_evYulIaLsYOlMjuDOC763xWL2TOM9SvPjRX_d9ag/edit?usp=sharing
14:37:51 <jeanne> present+ David
14:37:52 <SarahHorton> present+ Dave
14:38:04 <jeanne> present- David
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14:39:01 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Next step is to review the stakeholder map and stakeholder submissions, turn map into wiki page
14:39:59 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Send to working group once wiki page, request suggestions for roles that aren't on the map
14:40:42 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Take names from stakeholder submissions and fill in roles
14:41:10 <SarahHorton> action: Jeanne will create wiki page of map
14:41:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Will create wiki page of map [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2016-12-23].
14:41:26 <SarahHorton> action: Shawn and Jemma will work on mapping names and roles
14:41:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - And jemma will work on mapping names and roles [on Shawn Lauriat - due 2016-12-23].
14:42:23 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Need to be cautious of names that are multiple roles, don't want to make too many contacts when people have multiple roles
14:43:08 <Judy> q+
14:43:34 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Verify roles when mapping
14:44:16 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Will be emailing people and listing roles, which is another opportunity to verify accuracy of roles
14:44:28 <SarahHorton> Judy: What is concern of multiple roles?
14:44:46 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: People would get too many surveys
14:45:50 <SarahHorton> Judy: Surveys are different by role? Might want to find out primary role. Might not want to exclude people from surveys because they have perspectives
14:46:23 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Want to make sure people have a voice for different roles
14:46:41 <SarahHorton> Shawn: People helping with surveys will have ideas on how to do it
14:48:22 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Received two contacts from screen reader vendors
14:51:42 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Areas to expand stakeholder submissions: Accessibility designers and developers, AT developers
14:51:58 <SarahHorton> Shawn: content providers/producers, designers, developers
14:52:34 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Disability organizations (need more diversity), IT managers, lawyers
14:53:05 <SarahHorton> These are listed on the Stakeholder Roles and Activiites spreadsheet in the "Action" column
14:53:18 <SarahHorton> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XK_evYulIaLsYOlMjuDOC763xWL2TOM9SvPjRX_d9ag/edit?usp=sharing
14:54:20 <SarahHorton> Judy: Will help with identifying global representatives frin disability organizations
14:54:41 <SarahHorton> s/frin/from
14:56:03 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Also more representation of people with disabilities
14:56:15 <Judy> q+
14:56:24 <SarahHorton> And platform developers, product managers, QA specialists
14:57:07 <SarahHorton> Shawn: 260 submissions so far, not too many duplicates
14:58:50 <SarahHorton> Judy: want to make sure there's a role for regulators, might be policy makers? How are you populating
14:59:09 <SarahHorton> Judy: How are you populating lawyers role?
14:59:47 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Have only had survey to have people submit names. Have only just starting reaching out to fill gaps
15:01:01 <SarahHorton> Judy: Will help out identifying international lawyers
15:01:34 <SarahHorton> Judy: Also policy makers role
15:02:02 <SarahHorton> zakim, take up next
15:02:02 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, SarahHorton
15:02:03 <Judy> s/policy makers/regulators/
15:02:24 <jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Research_Projects
15:02:54 <jemma> I think having "regulator' specifically in the stakeholder map is very important as Judy addressed.
15:03:24 <Judy> q?
15:03:27 <Judy> ack j
15:03:48 <SarahHorton> zakim, take up next
15:03:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. "review updates to the Research Design page" taken up [from SarahHorton]
15:06:06 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Does the research data clarification work?
15:07:03 <SarahHorton> Dave: Yes, it answers the key questions, and address any issues that arise.
15:08:47 <SarahHorton> Jemma: Data is raw data, not the analysis?
15:09:23 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Most of data is surveys, doing in partnership with task force
15:09:57 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Is there a way we can make that more clear?
15:11:24 <Judy> q+
15:11:32 <SarahHorton> action: Jeanne and Jemma to clarify language under expectations related to data
15:11:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - And jemma to clarify language under expectations related to data [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2016-12-23].
15:13:18 <SarahHorton> Jemma: May need an IRB (institutional review board) review if we are doing research through universities
15:13:36 <Judy> [JB: Whether IRB applies would depend on where the survey is conducted from]
15:13:43 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Will need to consider that when we start setting up surveys
15:15:01 <SarahHorton> Judy: What are the timelines for developing survey questions? Typically most difficult part is developing questions and getting feedback on how they are asked
15:16:04 <SarahHorton> Judy: Quality of result depends on quality of questions
15:17:03 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Agree completely, validity is extremely important, research partners are important to help design the surveys
15:19:15 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Anyone who has IP or patents on any part that's written into W3C specs will relinquish so that specs can be property of W3C, thinking about this in advance so we don't get blocked moving forward
15:20:35 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Have been discussing creating a community group for researchers, gives us ability to ensure the patent/IP requirements are set from the start of research
15:21:08 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Not decided, just under consideration
15:23:17 <SarahHorton> Judy: Might want to make sure it has clear purpose, make clear coordination, Charter still under discussion, courteous to wait until those issues are settled
15:25:06 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Community group agreement, no restriction on faculty except attribution if on spec
15:26:12 <SarahHorton> Dave: Good to be up front allows people to take part with understanding, motivation is to contribute to developing standards, significant impact, demonstrate work helped influence development of standard
15:27:51 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Would it help to describe how we will acknowledge their work?
15:29:08 <SarahHorton> Dave: Academic review, looks a number of pubs, number of citations, others include work that influences standards, would be helpful to describe acknowledgement
15:29:34 <SarahHorton> action: Jeanne to determine how we can acknowledge contributions
15:29:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Determine how we can acknowledge contributions [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2016-12-23].
15:33:52 <SarahHorton> This is the design plan document: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Design_Plan_for_Silver
15:37:11 <SarahHorton> action: Jeanne will put each research activity in its own row in the timeline so we can track the activities separately
15:37:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Will put each research activity in its own row in the timeline so we can track the activities separately [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2016-12-23].
15:37:26 <SarahHorton> Dave: Next steps for research partners
15:38:34 <SarahHorton> Dave: Lots of positive response to in way research community has been asked to be involved
15:39:07 <SarahHorton> s/to in/to the
15:40:53 <SarahHorton> Dave: Some people have identified specific activities that they are interested in
15:42:21 <SarahHorton> Dave: Next step could be to review areas of interest/expertise to see how they map to research activities
15:43:37 <SarahHorton> Sarah: Some people have specific topics they want to make sure are part of thinking for accessibility guidelines, might be stakeholders
15:43:59 <SarahHorton> Dave: Might be good to create a short survey to identify how people would be willing to be involved
15:47:10 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Isn't that better to do one to one?
15:47:49 <SarahHorton> Dave: There are quite a few respondents, survey provides list of options and provides option to provide more information
15:48:13 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Talking about having a generic response, making some things targeted to specific background
15:49:24 <SarahHorton> Dave: Preference would be to have online form, allows people to respond to taskforce rather than individual
15:49:39 <SarahHorton> Dave: Taskforce partner could do follow-up
15:50:05 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Dave, draft questions, Jeanne can turn into survey
15:52:13 <SarahHorton> action: Dave will draft questions and share with taskforce
15:52:13 <trackbot> Error finding 'Dave'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/track/users>.
15:52:24 <SarahHorton> action: David will draft questions and share with taskforce
15:52:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Will draft questions and share with taskforce [on David Sloan - due 2016-12-23].
15:53:31 <SarahHorton> zakim, take up next
15:53:31 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, SarahHorton
15:53:39 <jeanne> q?
15:53:39 <SarahHorton> ack j
15:53:49 <SarahHorton> zakim, take up next
15:53:49 <Zakim> agendum 3. "CSUN "Town Hall" description and catchy name brainstorm" taken up [from SarahHorton]
15:54:43 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Have CSUN session Friday at 3:20 in the Google room
15:55:00 <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Need session name and description
15:56:34 <SarahHorton> Shawn: Adapt blurb from other session, reversed so it's "we want your feedback"
15:58:27 <SarahHorton> …brainstorming names ensued
16:01:59 <SarahHorton> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-silver-minutes.html SarahHorton
16:01:59 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-silver-minutes.html jeanne
16:05:07 <SarahHorton> rrsagent, make logs public
16:08:16 <SarahHorton> Type rrsagent, bye
16:08:22 <SarahHorton> rrsagent, bye
16:08:22 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-silver-actions.rdf :
16:08:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeanne will create wiki page of map [1]
16:08:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-silver-irc#T14-41-10
16:08:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shawn and Jemma will work on mapping names and roles [2]
16:08:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-silver-irc#T14-41-26
16:08:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeanne and Jemma to clarify language under expectations related to data [3]
16:08:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-silver-irc#T15-11-32
16:08:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeanne to determine how we can acknowledge contributions [4]
16:08:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-silver-irc#T15-29-34
16:08:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeanne will put each research activity in its own row in the timeline so we can track the activities separately [5]
16:08:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-silver-irc#T15-37-11
16:08:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dave will draft questions and share with taskforce [6]
16:08:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-silver-irc#T15-52-13
16:08:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David will draft questions and share with taskforce [7]
16:08:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/16-silver-irc#T15-52-24