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13:55:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
13:55:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:55:14 <trackbot> Date: 14 December 2016
13:55:15 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:57:10 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Security and Authentication
13:57:44 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Collaboration with Silver Task Force
13:58:12 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Web of Things - Accessibility Implications and W3C involvement
13:58:24 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Outreach and recruitment
13:58:34 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Teleconference Schedule
13:58:48 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Other Topics
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14:01:40 <shadi> present+
14:01:53 <janina> agenda?
14:02:02 <janina> present+ Janina
14:02:13 <janina> present+ Scott
14:02:29 <janina> scribe: Janina
14:02:32 <janina> Chair: Jason
14:02:36 <jasonjgw> present+ jasonjgw
14:02:49 <janina> Chair: jasonjgw
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14:04:12 <Judy> present+ Judy
14:05:51 <janina> zakim, next item
14:05:51 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Security and Authentication" taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:06:27 <janina> jgw: Noting two aspects, what's required for making newer approaches accessible;
14:08:15 <janina> jgw: And then the need within APA Captcha update
14:10:31 <Judy> ds: coming at this from the perspective of trying to help the TF tackle research questions -- none of us are specialists on authentication
14:11:01 <Judy> ...I did a quick lit rvw using ACM library, got a sample of papers that have been published in the last ~years
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14:11:21 <Judy> ...haven't read them yet -- but gives an overview of the kind of topics that researchers are approaching
14:11:23 <Judy> q+
14:11:37 <Judy> ...or we can approach the authors and get an idea of the state of the art
14:11:53 <Judy> ...especially the topics that are on the intersection of accessibility and security
14:12:06 <Judy> ...and then bring in others
14:12:07 <Judy> q?
14:12:24 <Judy> ...I can continue to build out this list -- other repositories...
14:12:44 <janina_> scribe: janina
14:12:58 <MichaelC> ack j
14:13:07 <MichaelC> s/scribe: janina/scribe: janina_/
14:13:21 <janina_> jb: Thinks the approach may help, but wants to suggest we keep closer to what's going on in the field
14:13:53 <janina_> jb: We may not always be helping ourselves by going too far into academic research
14:14:14 <janina_> jb: Important to include implementers
14:14:50 <sloandr> +1 to including implementers
14:14:50 <janina_> jb: That may keep some of the newer approaches out for the time being, but could be more useful in W3C
14:15:21 <janina_> jb: Also important to keep a structured approach
14:15:43 <janina_> jgw: Is the concern the time delay from research to implementation?
14:16:28 <janina_> jb: No, sometimes literature lags implementation, but also some implementation work is never actually published
14:16:56 <janina_> q?
14:17:18 <janina_> jgw: Useful aspect of pubs is that it names participants we can follow up with
14:17:41 <Judy> q+
14:18:07 <janina_> jb: Suggest inviting Wendy Selser and Sam Weiler
14:18:16 <janina_> jb: into the conversation
14:18:23 <Judy> s/Selser/Seltzer/
14:18:28 <janina_> jgw: I'll follow up
14:18:41 <janina_> jb: And, I can reach out to Wendy and Sam
14:18:55 <Judy> [JB: I'll be happy to talk with Wendy and Sam]
14:19:02 <janina_> jgw: Encouraging people to look at the cited work
14:19:27 <janina_> jgw: Sam will continue updating the wiki
14:19:57 <sloandr> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Relevant_Researchers
14:20:03 <janina_> jgw: Goal is to build up user requirements and to gain an understanding of how the various pwd communities are supported with newer authentication approaches
14:20:30 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:20:30 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina_
14:20:30 <sloandr> The wiki page title doesn't really reflect the content of the page, so we'll probably need to edit that at some point
14:20:36 <janina_> q?
14:20:44 <janina_> ack judy
14:20:53 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:20:53 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Collaboration with Silver Task Force" taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:21:26 <Judy> [JB: these look like great resources, from David, to review -- thanks for finding these]
14:21:26 <janina_> jgw: Just a brief review of what's going on
14:21:59 <janina_> jgw: WCAG has a TF looking at how next substantial guidelines might be developed
14:22:13 <janina_> jgw: This work is in parallel with work extending existing WCAT 2.X
14:22:52 <janina_> jgw: The Silver TF has sought our input on methodological questions relating to their research
14:23:41 <janina_> jgw: Includes ways of collecting data from stakeholders
14:24:06 <janina_> jgw: Also about how to publish their findings
14:24:44 <janina_> david: Notes the TF just held a F2F--but I wasn't present so only looked at minutes briefly
14:25:28 <janina_> David: I have been publicizing the invitation to participate to the wider research community
14:26:43 <janina_> mc: Notes TF is designing a survey, a focus in January plus lit review
14:27:21 <janina_> mc: TF wants most research delivered by end of summer to have good impact on Silver
14:27:35 <janina_> q?
14:28:20 <janina_> jgw: Recalling his meeting that RQTF wasn't being asked to do research, but to help in designing theirs
14:28:43 <janina_> jgw: e.g. is the proposed survey instrument methodologically sound?
14:29:17 <janina_> jgw: But it seems there's not anything to review just yet. When might we be asked?
14:30:29 <janina_> mc: Hopes they'll approach RQTF first week of January at some level, with short turnaround
14:30:43 <janina_> jgw: OK
14:31:28 <janina_> jgw: So, maybe we need to name the people that can give best feedback. No one immediately in mind, but this is one way to go at it
14:31:59 <janina_> mc: Noting again they'll be looking for research that can provide results within a year
14:32:17 <janina_> mc: Also wants to know what the priorities in research should be
14:32:27 <janina_> mc: This could be a good RQTF topic
14:33:03 <janina_> q?
14:33:36 <janina_> jgw: Believe we can't usefully do much more until contact from them
14:34:03 <janina_> jgw: Certainly can provide feedback on survey instruments and lit review
14:34:34 <janina_> david: I'll continue to monitor and do what I can
14:34:50 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:34:50 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Web of Things - Accessibility Implications and W3C involvement" taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:36:15 <janina_> Minutes from APA with WoT-IG at TPAC:
14:36:16 <janina_> http://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-apa-minutes.html#item06
14:36:32 <Judy> scribe: Judy
14:37:12 <Judy> js: I just pasted a pointer to discussion with WoT IG. Good discussion. Minutes give a good overview of some of the current thinking, and some of the current concerns.
14:37:27 <Judy> ...IG wants to get out of the product line silos and provide interop support.
14:37:41 <Judy> ...APIs are one of the ways that people tend to achieve that.
14:37:57 <Judy> ...one of my concerns is how do we review an API.
14:38:33 <sloandr> I can take over
14:38:39 <Judy> ...one example that people think this is important is autonomouse vehciles
14:38:47 <sloandr> scribe: sloandr
14:39:59 <sloandr> …API could support identifying autonomous vehicles through innovative means, for example a custom audio file that enables non-visual identification
14:40:27 <sloandr> …a lot of APIs are emerging, but do we know if they cover all our needs?
14:41:01 <sloandr> …in robotics, we want tech to adapt to humans, and APIs need to be able to accommodate that
14:41:34 <sloandr> janina_ encourages RQTF to read the APA minutes referenced previously
14:42:06 <sloandr> jgw: thanks to janina_ for the summary of the state of play
14:42:08 <Judy> q+
14:43:21 <sloandr> jb: this is helpful background. To be able to envision the space, it's helpful to have a few use cases. Customized audio for autonomous vehicles is helpful. Would be nice to have more.
14:43:34 <janina_> jb: Notes that developing use cases will be important to understand what the research questions might be
14:44:45 <janina_> jb: Asking if there are other use case notions we could consider
14:45:04 <janina_> jgw: Having conversations that may get some
14:45:25 <Judy> s/autonomouse vehciles/autonomous vehicles/
14:45:30 <janina_> jgw: Asking whther anyone is aware of ongoing work in this area?
14:46:16 <shadi> q+
14:46:19 <janina_> Scott: Asking whether home bot apis would fall into the category
14:46:21 <Judy> q-
14:46:23 <janina_> janina: I think so
14:46:48 <janina_> scott: Often the apps aren't that accessible, but the apis can help
14:48:43 <janina_> q?
14:48:49 <janina_> ack sh
14:49:34 <janina_> shadi: Expecting that different components, e.g. headset, won't be fully accessible--e.g. to deaf people ...
14:50:03 <janina_> shadi: but whatever sensor in particular, overall system needs to support all kinds of pwd users
14:50:22 <janina_> shadi: therefore, distributed components would be useful
14:51:09 <janina_> shadi: Maybe also a point for Silver to consider who's responsible for components integrating well
14:51:35 <janina_> shadi: this would need protocol level support
14:52:27 <jasonjgw> q?
14:53:12 <janina_> shadi: So we can perhaps help figure out what aspect needs to be taken up by Silver vs WoT vs APA, etc
14:53:19 <janina_> Scott: Also interested in this
14:55:23 <janina_> janina: Notes that an eventual output like HTML's MAUR doc would be helpful
14:55:25 <janina_> agenda?
14:57:38 <janina_> jgw: Notes the ongoing WBS survey for RQTF telecon time.
14:57:43 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 5
14:57:43 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Teleconference Schedule" taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:57:47 <MichaelC> zakim, close item 3
14:57:47 <Zakim> agendum 3, Web of Things - Accessibility Implications and W3C involvement, closed
14:57:49 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:57:49 <Zakim> 4. Outreach and recruitment [from jasonjgw]
14:58:02 <janina_> jgw: The suggestion for 8AM U.S. Eastern is that our Facilitator is commuting in that hour--don't know about working around that yet
14:58:45 <janina_> jgw: Also we'll have challenges because we have so many tz's
14:58:56 <janina_> jgw: Please do the WBS and provide your preferences
14:59:09 <sloandr> q+
14:59:11 <janina_> jgw: We also need to continue to find a few more participants for our work.
15:00:10 <janina_> jgw: Next meeting?
15:00:15 <janina_> janina: Suggest 4 Jan
15:00:20 <janina_> jgw: Any objections?
15:00:22 <janina_> [crickets]
15:00:40 <janina_> q?
15:00:49 <janina_> ack d
15:01:18 <janina_> david: Thinking of a blog post encouraging participation, TPG blog, could provide draft
15:02:18 <janina_> jb: Notes there's usually an approach in calls for participation, suggest followup with Shadi and maybe Michael
15:02:35 <MichaelC> q+
15:03:13 <janina_> jb: Suggests a pointer to W3C Blog post and maybe saying more would be the way to go
15:03:26 <MichaelC> ack me
15:03:29 <sloandr> q-
15:03:31 <janina_> ack d
15:03:43 <janina_> jgw: Will move on this
15:03:52 <janina_> q?
15:04:22 <janina_> scott: Volunteering for lit review on captcha work
15:05:13 <janina_> jgw: Agree
15:05:23 <janina_> janina: And APA wants Dual Factor included, if possible
15:05:45 <janina_> jgw: Happy Hollidays
15:06:27 <MichaelC> present+ Faezeh
15:06:31 <janina_> present+ Scott
15:06:33 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
15:09:15 <janina_> present+ Faezeh
15:09:21 <janina_> zakim, bye
15:09:21 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been shadi, Janina, Scott, jasonjgw, Judy, Faezeh, MichaelC
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15:09:29 <janina_> rrsagent, make minutes
15:09:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/14-rqtf-minutes.html janina_
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