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14:00:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Multimodal Interaction Working Group Teleconference
14:00:51 <trackbot> Date: 12 December 2016
14:03:32 <ddahl> regrets:helena
14:04:03 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
14:04:30 <ddahl> actions https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/open
14:04:59 <kaz> ddahl: I'm behind...
14:05:06 <ddahl> topic: actions
14:05:11 <ddahl> action 454?
14:05:19 <ddahl> action-454?
14:05:19 <trackbot> action-454 -- Deborah Dahl to Turn bullet list into text -- due 2016-09-05 -- OPEN
14:05:19 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/454
14:05:52 <kaz> action-457?
14:05:52 <trackbot> action-457 -- Kazuyuki Ashimura to Make a strawman/template diagram for relationships between entities in a use case -- due 2016-10-10 -- OPEN
14:05:52 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/457
14:07:41 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/mmi/blob/gh-pages/usecases/images/drawing.svg basic template of entity relationship
14:09:26 <kaz> kaz: we can use this as the template for entity relationship
14:10:31 <kaz> dahl: wondering about the interaction between the visitor and the exhibit
14:10:41 <kaz> kaz: possibly touch the exhibit
14:10:57 <kaz> dahl: also ask questions and it starts talking
14:11:17 <ddahl> labels for arcs might be "touch" or "information about exhibit"?
14:11:36 <kaz> kaz: good question
14:11:46 <kaz> ... could include both properties and actions
14:11:57 <kaz> ddahl: the visitor could be a student
14:12:14 <kaz> ... and can add labels for arcs
14:12:42 <ddahl> should the use cases provide labels for the arcs?
14:13:00 <kaz> kaz: yes
14:13:19 <ddahl> we aren't too interested in the interactions between people
14:13:50 <kaz> ... and Entity 2 could be an official at the reception desk
14:14:04 <kaz> (change the order later)
14:14:41 <kaz> ... so Entity 2 should be a guide terminal device or kiosk
14:14:46 <kaz> ddahl: ok
14:15:22 <kaz> ... and each use case should have this kind of diagram?
14:15:25 <kaz> kaz: yes
14:15:55 <kaz> ... I'll add this image to the Overview.html
14:16:17 <kaz> ... and all the assigned use case editors should add this kind of diagrams to his/her use cases
14:19:03 <kaz> action-458?
14:19:03 <trackbot> action-458 -- B Helena RODRIGUEZ to Send wot person our vocabulary to get his comments and then we can reconcile our work with their work -- due 2016-10-24 -- OPEN
14:19:03 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/458
14:19:12 <kaz> kaz: Helena did add a subdirectory
14:19:37 <kaz> ddahl: would be better to have some description on the tool
14:19:55 <ddahl> close action-462
14:19:55 <trackbot> Closed action-462.
14:19:59 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/mmi/tree/gh-pages/lib Helena's tools
14:21:25 <kaz> action-463?
14:21:25 <trackbot> action-463 -- Kazuyuki Ashimura to Talk with johannes about a good time for an mmi/wot call, possibly during scripting time slot -- due 2016-11-28 -- OPEN
14:21:25 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/463
14:21:25 <ddahl> action-463?
14:21:26 <trackbot> action-463 -- Kazuyuki Ashimura to Talk with johannes about a good time for an mmi/wot call, possibly during scripting time slot -- due 2016-11-28 -- OPEN
14:21:26 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/463
14:21:59 <kaz> kaz: we've just done that
14:22:14 <ddahl> close action-463
14:22:14 <trackbot> Closed action-463.
14:23:52 <kaz> kaz: and the conclusion from the WoT Scripting call today was bringing this to the WoT IG main call
14:24:04 <kaz> ... possibly on Wednesday, Dec. 14
14:24:13 <kaz> ddahl: can send a link to the list
14:25:17 <kaz> ... other than the MMI Architecture spec, what would be good to be sent?
14:25:34 <kaz> kaz: the MMI Interoperability Test Note
14:25:40 <kaz> ddahl: and your diagram?
14:25:42 <kaz> kaz: ok
14:25:48 <kaz> ddahl: and my demo
14:26:23 <kaz> kaz: and maybe Dirk also might want to send his demo and/or paper
14:26:32 <kaz> ddahl: good idea
14:28:16 <ddahl> action-464?
14:28:16 <trackbot> action-464 -- Kazuyuki Ashimura to Write more about uc-7 -- due 2016-11-28 -- OPEN
14:28:16 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/464
14:28:31 <kaz> kaz: not yet
14:29:15 <ddahl> topic: charter
14:29:33 <kaz> kaz: what should be the deliverables for the next period
14:30:26 <kaz> ... given the discussion with the WoT IG, maybe it would make sense to have a best practice doc or a guideline on bridging WoT and MMI
14:31:02 <kaz> ... and how should we handle EMMA 2.0 and MMI MC Discovery/Registration
14:31:17 <kaz> s/Registration/Registration?/
14:31:38 <kaz> ddahl: the biggest thing for EMMA 2.0 is that it's a JSON version
14:31:59 <kaz> ... we sort of promised we would do that
14:32:31 <kaz> ... and we need Helena for Discovery/Registration discussion
14:32:47 <kaz> ... have not reviewed Dirk's comment yet
14:33:33 <kaz> kaz: shall we skim that?
14:33:41 <kaz> ddahl: we can look at that
14:34:04 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-multimodal/2016Nov/0003.html Dirk's comments
14:38:32 <kaz> ddahl: the comments on abstract, status, etc., are editorial
14:39:18 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-multimodal/2016Nov/0005.html Dirk's comments on section 4
14:41:43 <kaz> kaz: the question on "MMI framework vs MMI Architecture" is interesting
14:41:56 <kaz> ddahl: we don't want to make the framework a standard
14:43:08 <kaz> ... all the comments look nice
14:43:18 <kaz> ... asking for good clarifications
14:43:51 <kaz> kaz: we should talk with Dirk and Helena about this during the next call
14:43:56 <kaz> ddahl: ok
14:44:04 <kaz> s/this/this in detail/
14:44:25 <kaz> topic: Use cases
14:45:27 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/mmi/usecases/Overview.html Use Case doc
14:46:16 <kaz> kaz: should we add the relationship diagram to all the use cases before publishing?
14:46:21 <kaz> ddahl: don't think wo
14:46:23 <kaz> s/wo/so/
14:48:24 <kaz> ... maybe we could remove "museum" specific points from the template and make it completely diagram
14:48:48 <kaz> kaz: +1
14:48:59 <kaz> ... and we should change the diagram template as well
14:49:29 <kaz> ... e.g., from concrete value to "property 1", etc.
14:49:34 <kaz> ddahl: yes
14:50:36 <kaz> ... and for the UC-7, the concrete entity might be a rice cooker and an air conditioner
14:50:40 <kaz> kaz: right
14:50:57 <kaz> ddahl: and maybe there is a home portal
14:51:23 <ddahl> the user, vendor
14:51:28 <kaz> kaz: so Things and Stakeholders
14:52:42 <kaz> ddahl: child vs adult is important to distinguish who can deal with the device
14:52:46 <kaz> kaz: yes
14:53:03 <kaz> ... we might need some kind of authentication, e.g., based on age
14:53:08 <kaz> ddahl: yes
14:54:00 <kaz> ... if there is an instanciated version of the template, e.g., for the appliance use case, it would be useful for people
14:54:04 <kaz> kaz: +1
14:55:09 <kaz> ddahl: which tool to use? would Inkscape be OK?
14:55:38 <kaz> ... SVG is great but if it's difficult for somebody to generate SVG, an image file would be also OK
14:55:57 <ddahl> yEd is a good editing tool that can export SVG
14:58:17 <kaz> kaz: can try it if there is a Linux version
14:58:25 <kaz> (and there is a Linux version :)
14:59:44 <ddahl> rrsagent, format minutes
14:59:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-multimodal-minutes.html ddahl
14:59:47 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
14:59:52 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:59:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:59:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-multimodal-minutes.html kaz
15:00:43 <kaz> Chair: Debbie
15:01:02 <kaz> present: Debbie, Kaz
15:01:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:01:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-multimodal-minutes.html kaz
15:04:16 <kaz> rrsagent, bye
15:04:16 <RRSAgent> I see no action items