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07:09:06 <dape> ... 1. updates for CP w.r.t to TD
07:09:14 <yingying> meeting: WoT TD TF meeting
07:09:20 <yingying> chair: Sebastian
07:09:21 <dape> ... discussed points are already integrated
07:09:30 <yingying> scribe: Daniel
07:09:35 <yingying> scribenick: dape
07:09:37 <dape> ... e.g. media-types
07:10:01 <dape> ... one container for Property, Action, and Event using @type
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07:10:41 <dape> ... local endpoint information can be described also
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07:10:58 <dape> ... e.g, what is Uri, what media-type
07:11:55 <sebastian> http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html#thing-description
07:12:28 <yingying> i|updates for CP w.r.t to TD|Topic: updates for CP w.r.t to TD|
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07:13:33 <dape> ... no change for integrating other contexts.... still possible to use other @types's
07:13:51 <katsu> present+ Katsuyoshi_Naka
07:14:03 <dape> ... global endpoints are possible also
07:14:50 <dape> ... idea is to have a global base uri... locally one can define relative path OR override some information
07:15:07 <dape> .... e.g., switch from http to coap
07:15:43 <dape> q+
07:16:49 <dape> DP: for next PlugFest, do we plan to "test" complex type defintitions
07:18:01 <dape> SK: lets postpone discussion when we discuss PlugFest scnerios
07:18:10 <yingying> present: Takuki_Kamiya, Uday_Davluru,Katsuyoshi_Naka, Daniel_Peintner, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Yingying_Chen
07:18:17 <dape> s/scnerios/scenarios
07:19:16 <dape> SK: Internal Siemens feedback, especially from Matthias (who raised issue #287)
07:19:52 <dape> ... re-use common vocabulary
07:19:57 <yingying> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/287 issue 287
07:21:08 <dape> q+
07:21:20 <dape> ... endpoints --> link
07:21:31 <dape> ... uri --> href
07:22:04 <dape> TK: Any reason why  we have to follow html example
07:22:17 <dape> ... endpoints sounds more appropriate
07:22:30 <dape> SK: MK just likes to re-use existing vocabulary
07:23:33 <dape> ... Dave also mentions that we should try to make TD Web developer friendly
07:25:10 <dape> DP: be cautious about plural form.. link, just singular ?
07:25:36 <dape> SK: TK and DP, please raise/comment issue on github
07:26:51 <dape> ... be aware that CP document might slightly change the upcoming days
07:27:30 <dape> Naka: href is still in example 3
07:28:11 <dape> ... will confuse people
07:28:53 <dape> SK: Agree
07:29:32 <dape> .. idea is global vs. local information
07:30:10 <dape> ... should try to simplify it
07:30:53 <dape> ... NakaSan, can you raise this as issue?
07:31:15 <dape> Naka: OK
07:31:47 <dape> SK: Another issue from Alex Owen #268
07:31:58 <dape> ... proposed td class field
07:32:08 <dape> ... references to CSS files
07:32:48 <dape> ... I am proposing to use @type
07:32:57 <dape> .... not sure if we really need that new field
07:33:56 <dape> SK: There are some more TD issues... no urgent ones anymore
07:35:14 <dape> TOPIC: Stick with JSON-LD or change the format to JSON
07:35:37 <dape> SK: Dave worked on that topic
07:35:58 <dape> ... think we need a more principal discussion
07:36:18 <dape> ... TD should be independent to programming languages
07:36:49 <dape> SK: Shows slide (WoT TD Basic Assumption)
07:37:11 <dape> ... Servient1 in JavaScript
07:37:17 <dape> ... Servient2 in C++
07:37:42 <dape> ... TD format independent
07:37:56 <dape> ... JS can wrap JSON
07:38:10 <dape> ... C++ might map to structs
07:40:30 <dape> ... focus of TD is to be independent
07:40:56 <dape> Uday: strongly support your argument
07:41:07 <dape> ... want to be an abstraction layer
07:41:20 <dape> ... try to be as neutral as possible
07:42:25 <dape> DP: Not sure about consequences (JSON vs JSON-LD)
07:43:03 <dape> SK: Dave proposes to have TD similar to Web Developer application layer
07:43:18 <dape> ... mapping to JS objects
07:44:42 <dape> DP: Also would like to mention that JSON-LD is a set standard and tools are built around this
07:44:48 <dape> ... people are used to this tools
07:45:31 <dape> SK: I would like to differentiate between the abstract TD format and the actual applications working with TDs
07:46:19 <dape> ... TDs may become complex... people might tend to use tools for creating TDs
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07:47:05 <dape> ... humans can still edit it... but might not be sensible for complex scenarios
07:48:50 <dape> TK: IF majority of languages is JS then i would go with JSON
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07:48:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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07:49:06 <dape> ... since we don't know yet a more neutral format is better
07:49:21 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
07:49:25 <dape> SK: Dave will present his idea in the afternoon call
07:51:01 <dape> Uday: w.r.t. to organization .... how many further TD calls
07:51:10 <dape> SK: I expect one more
07:51:25 <dape> ... Let's try to resolve issues
07:51:52 <dape> ... hope we can freeze document next week
07:52:10 <dape> ... not sure about API changes
07:52:43 <dape> ... we will then tag and publish a freezed CP document
07:52:53 <kaz> s/1. updates/SK: 1. updates/
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07:55:08 <kaz> s/... SK: 1/SK: 1/
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08:01:33 <sebastian> thanks for taking the minutes daniel
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