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13:00:37 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Uday_Davluru
13:00:46 <kaz> present+ Victor_Charpenay
13:01:00 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf#Agenda_of_next_WoT_IG_WebConf:_7_December_2016
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13:04:29 <kaz> present+ Dave_Raggett, Feng_Zhang, Kirby_Shabaga, Matthias_Kovatsch, Takuki_Kamiya
13:04:39 <jhund> present+ Johannes_Hund
13:04:59 <jhund> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch, Matthias_Kovatsch
13:05:42 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf#Agenda_of_next_WoT_IG_WebConf:_7_December_2016
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13:07:10 <jhund> chair: Matthias_Kovatsch
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13:07:25 <kaz> scribenick: victor
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13:08:32 <kaz> present+ Katsuyoshi_Naka, Masato_Ohura
13:09:16 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf#Agenda_of_next_WoT_IG_WebConf:_7_December_2016
13:10:51 <victor> Topic: AC Review
13:11:15 <mkovatsc> q?
13:11:32 <victor> MMC: new PR to add more collaborations
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13:11:52 <victor> assume this can be closed next week
13:12:02 <kaz> q+
13:12:26 <victor> One review was "don't remove the APA reference"
13:13:00 <victor> Kaz: APA = Accessible Platform Arch.
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13:14:10 <mkovatsc> ?q
13:14:14 <mkovatsc> q?
13:14:14 <kaz> present+ Frank_Reusch
13:14:30 <victor> Link to the most recent version of the charter to be sent
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13:15:34 <victor> Kaz: Wendy has a meeting today with the committee, results will be sent over soon
13:15:40 <victor> Topic: F2F Logistics
13:15:56 <kaz> s/committee/W3C Managment/
13:16:11 <kaz> q?
13:16:13 <kaz> ack k
13:16:30 <victor> MMC: still waiting for a response on the budget. The person responsible has just come back from vacation. Hope to have a response this week
13:18:08 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_February_2017,_USA,_Santa_Clara
13:18:09 <victor> MMC: 13k budget in total, MK, could you investigate in parallel?
13:18:15 <kaz> q+
13:18:42 <victor> MK: OK
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13:19:54 <victor> Matthias: finding a hotel in this area is hard. Reserving early is good for attendees
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13:20:49 <kaz> q?
13:20:53 <victor> MMC: maybe do a reservation with an option to cancel it later?
13:21:39 <victor> Kaz: clarify the dates before? What happens on Sunday?
13:22:10 <victor> MMC: Let's be conservative, let's say 15k (to reserve half a day extra)
13:22:27 <yingying_> meeting: WoT IG Meeting
13:23:01 <kaz> ack k
13:23:39 <victor> Matthias: I've just updated the wiki to add info about housing
13:23:57 <victor> Topic: oneM2M liaison
13:24:40 <victor> MMC: apparently there is a meeting this week, which is why Yongjing is not here this week. Shift this point to next week
13:24:53 <victor> Topic: OCF liaison
13:25:36 <victor> MMC: we'll create a liaison committee. Discussed with OCF lawyers about that. This will be chartered.
13:26:23 <mkovatsc> q?
13:26:31 <victor> Members: Yongjing, Michael (Koster), Michael (McCool), Jonathan Jeon.
13:28:21 <victor> Topic: Translating TD into RDF
13:28:41 <victor> Dave: I've been doing some work on NodeJS (shows screen)
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13:29:07 <victor> link sent to the mailing-list
13:31:14 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/demos/td2ttl/ Dave's demo
13:32:40 <sebastian> q+
13:33:58 <victor> includes examples of things like water tank or ECG
13:34:15 <victor> it also shows compound (nested) properties
13:36:26 <victor> example of real-world running web service: airport status (provided by FAA)
13:36:37 <victor> URI is a template
13:38:07 <mkovatsc> q+
13:38:17 <McCool> q+
13:38:20 <victor> q+
13:39:23 <mkovatsc> ack sebastian
13:39:39 <victor> Sebastian: can you show us the context file?
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13:41:20 <victor> what do Web developers have to do?
13:42:27 <victor> Dave: nothing particular, depending on what they want to do with the RDF data
13:43:41 <sebastian> q-
13:44:10 <victor> Matthias: the structure of the JSON seems to be changing across examples
13:44:25 <kaz> ack mk
13:45:19 <victor> Dave: it is synctactic shortening mostly
13:46:27 <victor> and the rest, e.g. "source": "some URI" in the ECG+A example
13:47:26 <victor> depends on the semantics of the meta-data. Here, source is expected to be a URI (by client URIs aware of it)
13:49:08 <victor> s/client URIs/clients /
13:50:44 <victor> Matthias: a summary of the overall model used in this proposal?
13:50:56 <kaz> s/synctactic/syntactic
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13:51:35 <kaz> q+
13:53:00 <victor> Dave: part of the answer is in the rest of my demo (follows after this question round)
13:54:47 <mkovatsc> q?
13:57:53 <victor> (Dave shows the source code of the application )
13:58:13 <victor> MMC: The JSON-LD was generated automatically or written by hand?
13:58:17 <victor> Dave: generated
13:58:45 <mkovatsc> q?
13:58:51 <mkovatsc> ack McCool
13:58:51 <kaz> ack mc
13:59:02 <mjkoster> dropping of now, thanks!
13:59:46 <victor> MMC: a generic demo where RDF data is generated for any TD (given as input) would be good
14:03:25 <victor> so that we understand the rules that apply to turn TDs into RDF
14:04:57 <kaz> q?
14:05:28 <victor> Sebastian: remark: TD should be platform/language-agnostic (shows a slide presented this morning in the TD telco)
14:06:16 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016Dec/att-0013/WoT_TD_basic_assumption.pdf Sebastian's slides
14:08:29 <victor> Dave: here it is more about choosing JSON or JSON-LD.
14:10:27 <dsr> No, I believe that Web developers will prefer a simple JSON based represention, but I agree that there could be multiple serializations
14:11:50 <kaz> q?
14:11:57 <victor> Matthias: maybe, another way to look at the question is to say that Dave is trying to provide a "debug" view of a TD, similar to what CBOR does
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14:13:22 <victor> what we maybe need is a more abstract view, a diagram with boxes and arrows to understand what the model you are using is.
14:13:34 <kaz> q?
14:15:37 <kaz> ack v
14:21:54 <kaz> victor: 3 comments @@@tbd@@@
14:23:13 <kaz> -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/architecture/wot-architecture.html#general-description-of-wot-servient WoT Servient architecture
14:23:24 <mkovatsc> q?
14:23:35 <mkovatsc> ack kaz
14:25:20 <kaz> kaz: not sure what Dave wants to do here, do you want to restart TD discussion based on RDF?
14:28:30 <victor> Matthias: at last TPAC, the conclusion was that we should have this discussion at a high-level, on diagrams instead of on JSON examples
14:29:39 <victor> a proposal was to use PlantUML
14:30:28 <victor> Turtle was also proposed, we could use then tools to generate a graphical representation of the model
14:30:35 <kaz> i/proposal/dsr: tool for drawing diagrams?/
14:30:46 <kaz> s/a proposal/Matthias: a proposal/
14:31:20 <kaz> q+
14:31:24 <mkovatsc> q?
14:31:52 <victor> Matthias: next topic was TD update. Shift to next week.
14:32:21 <victor> Kaz: update on security?
14:32:33 <victor> MMC: still looking for people. On-going
14:32:54 <kaz> s/security?/security? ok to invite people outside of the WoT IG, e.g., Automotive?/
14:33:08 <kaz> s/still/OK. still/
14:33:39 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
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