16:05:27 RRSAgent has joined #coga 16:05:27 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/11/28-coga-irc 16:05:57 rrsagent, make logs public 16:10:15 agenda: this 16:10:16 agenda+ review SC, and timelines show status table. 16:10:18 agenda+ Change at Please let me know if there are any issues with in 48 hours 16:10:19 agenda+ at wcag issues https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA and copy editing 16:10:21 agenda+ next activities : wcag comments. see issue page. semantics.proposals new issue papers, emotional. 16:10:22 agenda+ Tables https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html 16:10:24 agenda+ be done 16:57:18 zakim, next item 16:57:18 agendum 2. "Tables https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman] 16:57:33 ? 16:57:46 zakim, next item 16:57:46 agendum 2 was just opened, Lisa_Seeman 16:57:54 zakim, close item 16:57:54 I don't understand 'close item', Lisa_Seeman 16:58:23 regrets: kurt, EA 16:59:40 Jan has joined #coga 17:00:47 zakim, next item 17:00:47 agendum 3. "What have we missed for issues page" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman] 17:01:12 kirkwood has joined #COGA 17:02:25 Thaddeus has joined #COGA 17:02:33 + Thaddeus 17:02:38 Thaddeus present 17:04:26 Jim_S has joined #coga 17:04:46 zakim, next item 17:04:46 agendum 4. "be done" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman] 17:04:52 +kirkwood 17:04:57 scribe: Jan 17:05:20 Present Lisa 17:05:22 present +Thaddeus 17:05:27 Present +Lisa 17:05:31 Present + Jim_S 17:05:36 present +kirkwood 17:05:37 Present +Jan McSorley 17:05:57 zakim, next item 17:05:57 agendum 5. "undo: is justification correct?" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman] 17:07:18 zakim, next item 17:07:18 agendum 6. "review SC, and timelines show status table." taken up [from Lisa_Seeman] 17:07:40 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DHoA9fQRsNtfrhxpf-HGVzbNpe6KUxv-cgxY6NM4mGI/edit# 17:07:58 https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues 17:08:03 Topic: SuccessCriteria - Google Docs - WCAG issues for WCAG 2.1 17:08:14 https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA 17:08:31 https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html 17:10:41 We can only do copy editing on those tagged as Preliminary - once it's ready to submit to WCAG, it cannot be edited. 17:11:30 In the google doc, (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DHoA9fQRsNtfrhxpf-HGVzbNpe6KUxv-cgxY6NM4mGI/edit#) there are labels for SC that are ready for copy editing. There are 2 days left to copy edit. 17:12:13 We have a full 2 days to get edits in 17:14:40 If you start to edit one, add a note in the Google Doc that you are copy editing it now. Only take ones that are not yet copy edited. JohnR has completed up to 14. Just make it clear at the top that you're working on one and don't worry about whether or not you are working within an assigned number range. 17:15:20 Ones that MaryJo commented on may not need as many edits, so prioritize those that have not had a long list of comments. 17:22:20 MaryJo has not commented on 14-24 so we need to prioritize these - she also did not comment on 37 17:22:32 MaryJo also did not comment on 36 17:22:59 Start at 15, but put in the header in red that you're doing it. 17:25:07 Thaddeus and Jan will put their names into the header for some of the SC numbers 15-24 to edit 17:25:44 Once completed, in the Google Doc, put "copy editing completed" 17:25:54 Can also make notes in the pull request message in GitHub 17:27:34 Lisa - you need to sync your documents every time after you are done in GitHub 17:28:56 You can click on the pencil, make the edits you want, save it, give your messages and it will initiate your pull request and that eliminates confusion with the fork 17:29:27 https://help.github.com/articles/editing-files-in-another-user-s-repository/ 17:30:08 https://help.github.com/articles/editing-files-in-another-user-s-repository/ 17:30:30 https://help.github.com/articles/editing-files-in-another-user-s-repository/ 17:36:57 Topic: Extra Symbols 17:37:26 EA is not able to be here today and Lisa wants to bounce this off of her too 17:37:33 https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/extra-symbols.html 17:37:36 q? 17:38:07 There's been a substantative change to this one 17:38:31 She changed the scope to try to make it level AA 17:38:51 Level A is that any system needs to include users of augmentative communication systems 17:38:53 Jim_S has joined #coga 17:39:41 Instead of saying "use" symbols ... Lisa changed it to say "provide" symbols so that a technique could be used to reveal symbols to targeted audiences 17:40:25 Lisa was trying to address Thaddeus' comments that it shouldn't be AAA because people who need it, need it. 17:40:39 q? 17:40:49 consensis - any disagreements? 17:40:52 No one objected to Lisa's changes 17:41:01 zakim, next item 17:41:01 agendum 7. "Change at Please let me know if there are any issues with in 48 hours" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman] 17:41:45 Topic: Let Lisa know if there are any changes that need to be addressed within the 48 hours 17:42:23 39 have been submitted - realistically, they won't all be accepted and mnost of them will not be accepted without significant change. 17:43:07 Be aware that some comments that will be made by the wider WCAG group may seem offensive to people who are aware of the COGA work - in other words, we are going to have to do some educating to help people understand the need for the SC 17:44:03 Lisa - I am expecting that we will need to spend some time explaining the users who would benefit from these SC - I think that we might want to track the comments and questions we get so that we can understand how to better explain the user needs 17:44:12 zakim, next item 17:44:12 agendum 8. "at wcag issues https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA and copy editing" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman] 17:44:33 Lisa - if people in WCAG don't understand cognitive issues, then other outside of WCAG would have the same questions 17:44:51 Lisa - does anyone have an idea of how to track the questions and comments? 17:45:14 Lisa - Was thinking that Jim and Neal might want to make short videos on user needs 17:45:43 Jim - I will run that by Neal to see if he wanted to make some short videos of user needs for COGA 17:48:15 Lisa - I am going to make a new WIKI page of user needs that need more explanation 17:49:10 Jim - we should collect the issues in a log, address them in a Q&A textual basis and then create videos as needed 17:49:41 Jim - it would be a fabulous resource to have moving forward as an educational resource 17:49:52 Lisa - for us, it would also put a positive spin on the need 17:50:39 Lisa - each issue in the WCAG issue list is going to have comments from WCAG - some will be minor and some will be substantative 17:51:37 Lisa - we will see comments from people that we are making things more complicated because they may not necessarily understand the user needs 17:52:11 zakim, next item 17:52:11 agendum 9. "next activities : wcag comments. see issue page. semantics.proposals new issue papers, emotional." taken up [from Lisa_Seeman] 17:52:55 Lisa - What will we do with our time after these are submitted? WCAG Comments and Table of User Needs 17:53:38 Lisa: There are things we can address in the Table of User Needs Roadmap 17:53:49 Lisa - we will also have new issue papers coming our way 17:54:43 Lisa - it may appear that we have addressed everything, but there are still things that need work - we have not necessarily addressed all cognitive issues - we have more work to do on emotional issues and how those affect cognition 17:54:58 Lisa - there are things that we will have to coordinate with WCAG, such as techniques 17:56:03 Michael - Direction for the next 3-6 months - the task force will need to respond to potential edits; don't know yet what the plan is going to be - are they going to throw everything in, or just those things they think are likely to survive the full process? 17:56:55 Michael - there will need to be some development of "understandings" material - this will be critical to the SC staying in the document for the entire process; the cognitive SC seem to need more explanation - providing techniques will also need to be done eventually 17:57:26 Michael - doing the research on user needs is useful in terms of getting the COGA group's thinking together 17:57:38 Lisa - in terms of the personalization and the semantics, who is working on that? 17:58:15 Michael - Rich - that has been moved to the ARIA working group - Rich is editing it now and want technical fixes done to the document before it goes any further 17:58:55 Lisa - I think as COGA, we will need to continue with the Table of User Needs because that is where we have fleshed out the semantics we need 17:59:34 Lisa - the Table of User Needs is quite important because we will need that semantics document because we will need the techniques. 18:00:23 Michael - not confident that semantics will get into 2.1 - don't hang your hopes on SC that depend on semantics in 2.1, but you are setting up for later work, so it's still useful work 18:01:40 rrsagent, create minutes 18:01:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/28-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman 18:02:33 zakim, please part 18:02:33 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been JohnRochford, Thaddeus, kirkwood 18:02:33 Zakim has left #coga 18:02:43 present+ MichaelC 18:02:45 chair: Lisa 18:02:48 meeting: COGA 18:02:51 rrsagent, make minutes 18:02:51 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/28-coga-minutes.html MichaelC 18:03:16 zakim, please part 18:03:23 rrsagent, please part 18:03:23 I see no action items