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<sandro> got for it cwebber2
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eprodrom: let's get started
... I guess we have three big items that we need to get
to
... let's get started with the minutes
<eprodrom> PROPOSED: approve https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-08-minutes as minutes for Nov 8 meeting
+1
<cwebber2> +1
<ben_thatmustbeme> +1
<aaronpk> I see "RESOLUTION: cancel Tuesday Nov 15 2016 telecon" in those minutes
<eprodrom> +1
<sandro> +1
RESOLUTION: approve https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-08-minutes as minutes for Nov 8 meeting
eprodrom: alright, since we have
all +1s marked as resolved
... now onto the slightly more difficult process of our face to
face minutes, which have traditionally been our ???
... traditionally been a weak point
... we have a lot of minutes we drop out for our f2f
meetings
... so I guess the question goes to our scribes for our most
recent meetings (along with myself and tantek since we're
ultimately responsible) on how to get up minutes for 17th and
18th
... there they are
ben_thatmustbeme: yeah I already generated them
eprodrom: fantastic
<eprodrom> PROPOSED: APPROVE https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-17-minutes as first day minutes for Nov 17 2016 f2f
<ben_thatmustbeme> should we wait a week for people to have time to read them?
<eprodrom> PROPOSED: APPROVE https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-17-minutes and APPROVE https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-18-minutes as minutes for Nov 17 2016 f2f
<Loqi> hehe
<aaronpk> that's so many minutes
<aaronpk> it's almost... hours
eprodrom: yeah, that's many minutes
tantek: has anyone had a chance to read them?
eprodrom: we could pause and review for next week
tantek: will confess I haven't had a chance to read them myself
eprodrom: so I'd like to table
this proposal and take it for next week's meeting to be sure we
put it on the agenda for then
... getting those meeting minutes up
... so we can go on from approving minutes and see what our
agenda is for today
... ok great
... so first item on agenda is websub
... julien or aaron, are you on?
aaronpk: I'm on
eprodrom: mind leading agenda on websub, what's next?
aaronpk: sure, so since friday I've been working on merging pull requests & resolving issues
<aaronpk> https://w3c.github.io/websub/
aaronpk: those are all incorporated now and the editor's draft is now up to date at the new URL here
<tantek> nice work
aaronpk: the rename is
complete
... so definitely review that, the major differences are the
discovery section where we hashed out the ??? and put the
host-meta at risk, capability URL is now in
... there are still several issues open and some pull requests
I'd like to review, but the majority of things discussed in
meeting are now incorporated
... we're hoping to publish the ED at the new w3 url with the
rename
... I believe that new shortname was approved, so we just need
to stage that for publication
... my main questions for the group is how much we need to wait
for the rest of / getting through more issues
... or is this enough to warrant a new WD?
tantek: I'd like to see a ChangeLog
aaronpk: great idea
tantek: that's required for publication in my view
aaronpk: yeah, didn't realize it
wasn't there, will add it
... right after this call
eprodrom: anything else you'd like to put in front of the group for websub?
aaronpk: nope
eprodrom: do we need another WD?
aaronpk: we need to do another WD for the rename. Question is whether to close more issues before working draft or is incorporation of changes from F2F discussion sufficient for new WD
eprodrom: so we have open issues... what's the expected timeframe for closing remaining issues?
aaronpk: not totally sure
... they're all similar scope to other ones, nothing super
unusual
... just a matter of talking through them on github
eprodrom: ok... 1 week? 2 weeks? 6 weeks?
aaronpk: I imagine many more closed before next call
eprodrom: what's your preference
aaronpk: WD are easy to do, so I'd prefer to do one sooner to get new short url in place
eprodrom: so what I'd like to
propose is we publish a new WD of websub
... based on ED of ??? 22
<ben_thatmustbeme> conditional on changelog
eprodrom: with a changelog
<eprodrom> PROPOSED: publish new working draft of Websub based on editor's draft of Nov 22 with a changelog
cwebber2: +1
tantek: all changes for difficult stuff done from the f2f?
<ben_thatmustbeme> s/of ??? 22/ of 11\/22
aaronpk: I believe so?
tantek: the stuff that took more time than we expected
aaronpk: yes I believe so, those have been worked on over the weekend and this morning
<aaronpk> https://github.com/w3c/websub/issues/53
aaronpk: I think most of that got wrapped up in issue 53 there
<eprodrom> +1
tantek: +1
<ben_thatmustbeme> +1
<aaronpk> +1
<sandro> +1
<ben_thatmustbeme> tantek was citing minutes at 13:19:19 (by my client) aaronpk
RESOLUTION: publish new working draft of Websub based on editor's draft of Nov 22 with a changelog
<ben_thatmustbeme> websub++
<Loqi> websub has 1 karma in this channel (2 overall)
eprodrom: good, so that's the
last item on our agenda for today, so next thing we should do
is walk through document status for our documents
... can talk about where we are for each one
... with the exception of websub
<ben_thatmustbeme> I know tantek had some PTD updates
eprodrom: hopefully we don't' need to swap around for chair
tantek: I can do a verbal summary of PTD
<eprodrom> Other document status?
eprodrom: let's do PTD, then I'll do AS2, then I'll ask the group... do we have other documents with updated status we'd like to discuss
<cwebber2> no changes to report
aaronpk: no changes to report
eprodrom: let's put tantek and PTD first.. if you have something to discuss, put yourself on the agenda
tantek: not ready for new version
this week, but hopefully next week
... some commenters were looking for multiple post types coming
out of the algorithm, what should you do if you want multiple
post types
... so that's the first thing to do is to support multiple post
types as the output while still keeping the notion of a primary
type for implementations that want to say "if you ahve to pick
here's what to pick"
... so that's one new approach we hadn't previously
discussed
... second thing is I learned of ben_thatmustbeme converting
MF2 to AS2 today, so I'm hoping to look into that to see how
much of post type discovery he's implemented there
... since that's a key feature of PTD
... so those are my two updates, any comments or questions
eprodrom: any questions?
tantek: or anything that needs to be in next WD? otherwise I'll make fixes and propose it
eprodrom: looks like no we don't have any questions, queue seems empty. so thanks for the update tantek, good to see this process moving along
tantek: ok more next week then
eprodrom: I'm going to take this
opportunity to give an update on AS2
... we generated quite a few issues to AS2 last week. we were
down to 2, and we cleared out 1 during our meeting and added 6
more, plus resolved one with some new text (and one that was
difficult, the default language one)
... I have not pushed a new version to ED unfortunately, I need
to get that done. goal is to get that done for next meeting.
I'd prefer to have it done by the end of th week so people can
review by next meeting
... the other main item for me is the AS2 validator, holding
off until we can make changes to document itself because
somehting needs to be updated in validator specifically around
SHOULDs and MAYs
... some of the things SHOULDs prev are now slightly
weakened
... any questions on AS2?
tantek: hoping to get an ED with changlog for next week for consideration for CR?
eprodrom: that's exactly it
<ben_thatmustbeme> I just wanted to point out a new Implementation Report PR is in eprodrom
eprodrom: ok great
... I'll check our agenda for updates, looks like as2 is still
at bottom, so I think we've come to the end of our agenda
... anything else to discuss?
... ok otherwise we'll get our remaining minutes back... last
week was very productive so we're all probably talked out
... so, wrap up the meeting and look forward to next meeting on
the 29th
tantek: reminder, review the F2F logs for last week
<eprodrom> OK, I just dropped!
<eprodrom> Thanks everyone.
<eprodrom> trackbot, end meeting
tantek: sounds like evan dropped off, so thanks everyone!
<ben_thatmustbeme> cwebber2++
<Loqi> cwebber2 has 82 karma
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