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15:11:02 <agarrison> Wilco - Hope you have had a chance to look at the page.
15:11:42 <agarrison> Wilco - There have been several changes to the template.
15:12:22 <agarrison> Wilco - investigate implementation section in template.
15:12:31 <agarrison> Wilco - change log has been added.
15:12:56 <agarrison> AG - Where can we see the final version of it?
15:12:58 <Wilco> https://github.com/WilcoFiers/auto-wcag/blob/b0442b231adc1f6308623ee25f924690b6d0e792/pages/rule-design.md
15:13:32 <Wilco> https://github.com/WilcoFiers/auto-wcag/blob/b0442b231adc1f6308623ee25f924690b6d0e792/pages/rule-template.md
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15:15:43 <agarrison> AG - I notice user input placed within rules.
15:16:42 <emmajpr_bbc> Sorry I'm late
15:17:10 <agarrison> Wilco - Some you can automatically test up to the human.
15:18:27 <agarrison> AG - Some rules include / need human input.
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15:19:31 <agarrison> Katie - Under test subject - in yesterday's meeting we talked about WCAG meeting.  Do we want to add the subject of packaged set of documents.
15:19:43 <agarrison> Katie - as a space-holder.
15:19:59 <agarrison> Katie - we now should be addressing publications.
15:20:20 <agarrison> Katie - test cases - we should add document package.
15:20:30 <Wilco> https://github.com/WilcoFiers/auto-wcag/blob/b0442b231adc1f6308623ee25f924690b6d0e792/pages/rule-template.md
15:20:36 <agarrison> Wilco - is that the old version.
15:20:55 <agarrison> Wilco - it's under environment.
15:21:21 <Ryladog> https://github.com/WilcoFiers/auto-wcag/blob/b0442b231adc1f6308623ee25f924690b6d0e792/pages/rule-design.md
15:21:27 <agarrison> Wilco - up to now we haven't written rules for that, but it makes sense.
15:21:45 <Ryladog> https://github.com/WilcoFiers/auto-wcag/blob/b0442b231adc1f6308623ee25f924690b6d0e792/pages/rule-design.md
15:22:16 <agarrison> Wilco - this isn't the one that has been updated.
15:22:30 <agarrison> Wilco - we'll need to update some of the terms on this page.
15:22:46 <Wilco> https://github.com/WilcoFiers/auto-wcag/blob/b0442b231adc1f6308623ee25f924690b6d0e792/pages/rule-template.md
15:22:49 <agarrison> Katie - we'll need to include a document package as an option for testing.
15:23:40 <agarrison> AG - now how broad are we looking.  It was previously web content.
15:23:54 <agarrison> Katie - It is wel content - like a Daisy book.
15:24:53 <agarrison> Katie - It has a navigation system inside a book package.
15:26:04 <agarrison> Katie - it's the same rules, just has to go inside the document package.
15:27:12 <agarrison> Katie - it should just be included in rule design.
15:27:51 <MoeKraft> Katie, can you repost the link? I'm not seeing it. Thanks, Moe
15:28:00 <agarrison> Emma - we would only need to state there is a package if there is something different about the package.
15:28:47 <agarrison> Emma - is there anything about a web package that would need additional pieces of tests rules to be run.
15:28:58 <agarrison> Katie - don't know.
15:29:18 <agarrison> Katie - just trying to be inclusive of new part of W3C.
15:29:33 <agarrison> Emma - we should keep it in mind.
15:29:39 <agarrison> Wilco - agree
15:29:46 <Wilco> https://github.com/WilcoFiers/auto-wcag/blob/b0442b231adc1f6308623ee25f924690b6d0e792/pages/rule-template.md
15:30:05 <agarrison> Wilco - any further comments.
15:31:50 <cpandhi> can you hear me?
15:31:53 <agarrison> Emma - it's quite a different structure.
15:32:19 <agarrison> Emma - step 2 would be for more manual testing.
15:32:30 <agarrison> Emma - background in middle is a little odd.
15:33:11 <agarrison> Wilco - the background was dropped down, as it was less important.
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15:34:31 <agarrison> Charu - background and assumptions - I'm a little confused about the two - is there overlap.
15:34:49 <agarrison> Wilco - no.  No overlap.
15:35:11 <agarrison> Charu - Limitations / false positives in assumptions.
15:35:29 <agarrison> Charu - Step 1 fail / pass - do we need to do both?
15:35:37 <jemma> present+ JaEunJemmaKu
15:35:53 <jemma> rssagents, make minutes
15:35:58 <agarrison> Wilco - there can be multiple reasons why something passed.
15:36:22 <agarrison> Wilco - to know at which point something exited the procedure.
15:36:47 <agarrison> Charu - we don't have any where that says pass.
15:37:01 <agarrison> Charu - an example would be good to make it clear.
15:37:10 <agarrison> Wilco - in what way?
15:37:35 <agarrison> Charu - not saying we should change things.  Just having a problem understanding it.
15:38:13 <agarrison> Emma - if its passing they don't need to know much.  If they are failing they need more information.
15:38:32 <agarrison> Wilco - the default is non-applicable.
15:38:56 <agarrison> Charu - won't that always be the case if they don't fail.
15:39:21 <agarrison> Wilco - you just change the interface to say you only want to see fails.
15:39:39 <shadi> q+
15:40:00 <agarrison> Emma - should we not concentrate on non-applicable or fail.
15:40:13 <MoeKraft> have to drop. Good work everyone.
15:40:38 <agarrison> Emma - not thinking about a rule test as a whole. Step is only applicable to the content that is found.
15:44:40 <agarrison> AG - the tests are very complicated.  That is why you need to supply information about a pass.
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15:45:16 <shadi_> q- shadi
15:46:45 <agarrison> Wilco - there are loads of rules with one exit point.
15:50:48 <agarrison> Charu - you might want to filter out the interview questions.
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15:53:23 <agarrison> Charu - we are looking at DevOPs so we need more automation.
15:55:51 <agarrison> Emma- we are looking at color contrast.  Were do we split things.
16:00:58 <agarrison> Emma - we have tests with config.
16:01:20 <agarrison> Charu - could we focus on simpler tests firsts.
16:01:40 <agarrison> Emma - suggestion for template.
16:02:18 <agarrison> Emma - need to make it clear that step one and step two don't need to be together.
16:03:08 <agarrison> https://www.w3.org/community/auto-wcag/wiki/SC1-1-1-text-alternative
16:03:34 <agarrison> Emma - assumptions - not knowing what goes into an assumption.
16:03:44 <agarrison> Emma = we need to clarify.
16:08:27 <agarrison> AG - If you look at the rule you can see they are very complicated.
16:10:08 <agarrison> Emma - could we place the existing rules into templates.
16:10:38 <agarrison> AG - We should also aline test suites.
16:11:02 <agarrison> Wilco - we can pool aXe test suites.
16:11:54 <agarrison> Wilco - what would a template for a test suite look like.
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16:13:19 <agarrison> Wilco - we need to take a step back and look at what we are doing - there is a bunch of baggage that came with the EIII.
16:14:05 <emmajpr_bbc> #notmyrule ... LOL
16:14:12 <agarrison> Charu - looking at the complex rule, we would create atomic tests instead.
16:14:23 <Wilco> https://github.com/auto-wcag/auto-wcag/tree/master/_rules
16:14:26 <agarrison> Wilco - I have work to do on the template.
16:14:50 <agarrison> Wilco - for you - we need to look through our existing rules.
16:15:09 <agarrison> Wilco - give us a list of changes which we could make to these.
16:15:43 <agarrison> Charu - I'll take lang rule.
16:16:08 <agarrison> Wilco - issues need to be created for each action item.
16:18:53 <agarrison> Charu - I'll take 1.1.2
16:19:22 <agarrison> Emma - 4.1.1s - I'll take all of them apart from tag nesting.
16:20:11 <agarrison> Katie - Focus on viewport.
16:20:58 <agarrison> Wilco - Takes on 1.1.1.
16:21:27 <agarrison> Wilco - create an issue for the one you took on in GitHub.
16:21:36 <agarrison> Wilco - Aggregation work.
16:23:12 <agarrison> AG - Approach is outlined in email sent a while ago.
16:24:08 <agarrison> Wilco - Rule Aggregation on GitHub.
16:24:28 <agarrison> Katie - what do I do with 1.4.7.
16:24:51 <agarrison> Wilco - review it, and try and fit it into new template.
16:25:36 <agarrison> Wilco - we need to reflect on the work we've done so far.
16:25:48 <agarrison> Wilco - next meeting Dec 15th 2016
16:26:06 <agarrison> Wilco - Emma would you be able to send an update for colour contrast test.
16:26:16 <agarrison> Emma - Rob and I are very busy.
16:26:38 <agarrison> Emma - We took a lot in from the last meeting.
16:26:59 <agarrison> Emma - we'll try and do it by the preceding Tuesday.
16:27:20 <agarrison> Charu - let's get the atomic rules in.
16:27:34 <agarrison> Charu - I'll try to get the pull request for next meeting.
16:28:34 <agarrison> Shadi - all for atomic.
16:29:11 <agarrison> Wilco can you form the minutes?
16:29:24 <Wilco> yes. I'll take care of it :)
16:29:27 <Wilco> byebye!
16:51:12 <shadi> zakim, bye
16:51:12 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JaEunJemmaKu
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16:51:17 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:51:22 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:51:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/17-auto-wcag-minutes.html shadi
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16:51:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items