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19:47:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
19:47:57 <trackbot> Date: 15 November 2016
19:49:50 <clown> clown has changed the topic to:  AAPI webex: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m111076a5138536589c06d9b5c35ffb51 Meeting Number: 641 707 405 Next Meeting 22-Nov-2016
19:50:01 <clown> agenda+
19:50:08 <clown> agenda: this
19:50:19 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-676/ACTION-2126: (Joseph) Adding MSAA+IA2 action, interface, and relations to role mappings.
19:50:33 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-2121: (Joseph/Joanie) Correct the ATK/AT-SPI text for single and multiple selection removal.
19:50:44 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-1038: (Bogdan) Mappings for feed, figure, term, and UIA in general.
19:50:55 <clown> agenda+ Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
19:51:03 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
19:51:11 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
19:51:18 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
19:51:22 <clown> agenda+ be done.
19:57:26 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:57:36 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:02:27 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
20:02:31 <joanie> scribe: joanie
20:03:25 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
20:03:25 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ISSUE-676/ACTION-2126: (Joseph) Adding MSAA+IA2 action, interface, and relations to role mappings." taken up [from clown]
20:03:38 <clown> issue-676?
20:03:38 <trackbot> issue-676 -- Is it useful to identify MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI actions, interfaces, and relations in the mappings? -- open
20:03:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/676
20:03:39 <joanie> JS: I think I've finished this.
20:03:55 <joanie> JS: Jason Kiss wanted a while back to add interfaces and actions, etc.
20:04:06 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/7f24960932ec3d60f5aa96e3f0f45a14d74a8e69
20:04:13 <joanie> JS: MSAA+IA2 was the only one left. I'd been working on it over the past month.
20:04:27 <joanie> JS: I've merged it all (squashed) at the URL above.
20:04:36 <joanie> JS: The last thing we were talking about is Selection.
20:04:48 <joanie> JS: Turned out it was part of MSAA.
20:05:42 <joanie> s/MSAA/IAccessible/
20:06:06 <joanie> JS: I've added Selection to the roles where it belonged, such as grid.
20:06:11 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-grid
20:06:36 <joanie> JS: If you look at the MSAA + IA2 row, the last of the three bullet points.
20:06:45 <joanie> "Methods IAccessible::accSelect() and IAccessible::get_accSelection()"
20:06:51 <joanie> BG: Makes sense to me.
20:07:17 <joanie> JS: I think you'll see it on listbox, menu, menubar, tablist, and treegrid
20:07:26 <joanie> JS: And tree
20:07:37 <joanie> JS: Basically any role that supports selection gets those.
20:08:12 <joanie> BG: (Asks about state-change events)
20:08:23 <joanie> JS: Listbox supports selection.
20:08:55 <joanie> BG: If you have a listbox that's controlled by an input, but role of combobox, would it recognize the selection change on the listbox?
20:09:07 <joanie> JS: The short answer is "I don't know without testing it."
20:09:35 <joanie> JS: But if the selection changes in a listbox, the listbox should fire the appropriate platform selection-change event.
20:10:03 <joanie> BG: My guess is that it's not going to bubble up.
20:10:25 <joanie> JS: I don't think events bubble up in accessibility APIs.
20:16:39 <joanie> action-2126
20:16:39 <trackbot> action-2126 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add actions, interfaces, and relations to the msaa+ia2 mappings. -- due 2016-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
20:16:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2126
20:16:57 <joanie> JS: I want to say that this action is done and mark it closed.
20:17:15 <joanie> JS: I will follow up via email to Jason Kiss and give him the final word.
20:17:18 <joanie> JS: Objections?
20:17:21 <joanie> BG: Nope
20:18:13 <joanie> Zakim, next item
20:18:13 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ACTION-2121: (Joseph/Joanie) Correct the ATK/AT-SPI text for single and multiple selection removal." taken up [from clown]
20:18:20 <clown> action-2121
20:18:20 <trackbot> action-2121 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Correct the atk/at-spi entries in seciton 5.8.3 for single selection and multiple selection when the selection is removed. -- due 2016-10-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW
20:18:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2121
20:18:24 <joanie> JS: I'm hoping we can close this one too.
20:18:32 <joanie> JS: I've made the changes we discussed last week.
20:18:38 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_selection
20:18:46 <joanie> JS: It starts at the URL above.
20:25:42 <joanie> JD: It looks great. I have one question, however.
20:27:24 <joanie> JD: In the "Select or deselect many items at once" row, allowing user agents to fire one object:selection-changed for performance, but still requiring object:state-changed:selected on each descendant, seems to defeat the purpose.
20:27:43 <joanie> JD: But I'm not sure what the right thing to do is.
20:28:27 <joanie> JS: I'm tempted to leave it as-is for now.
20:28:44 <joanie> JS: This was already tested as part of ARIA 1.0.
20:28:46 <joanie> JD: Fine.
20:29:19 <joanie> JS: We can bring it up for ARIA 2.0 (i.e. when there's a large number of elements changing selected state at once)
20:29:53 <clown> issue-618
20:29:53 <trackbot> issue-618 -- MSAA selection event mapping for single selection case when item becomes unselected -- open
20:29:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618
20:30:14 <joanie> JS: All the actions associated with issue-618 are now closed.
20:30:24 <joanie> JS: Cynthia created a test file for it, however.
20:30:38 <joanie> JS: And Michael created a tracker issue for it, but it's in PF.
20:31:04 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25
20:31:38 <joanie> JD: I cannot see that product either.
20:32:54 <joanie> action-1457
20:32:54 <trackbot> action-1457 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask Michael to create 1.1 testharness -- due 2014-07-03 -- CLOSED
20:32:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1457
20:33:39 <joanie> JS: I will email Michael to ask about the product 25.
20:33:45 <joanie> Zakim, next item
20:33:45 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ISSUE-1038: (Bogdan) Mappings for feed, figure, term, and UIA in general." taken up [from clown]
20:33:57 <clown> issue-1038?
20:33:57 <trackbot> issue-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed", "figure", "term" for all AAPIs -- open
20:33:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
20:34:08 <joanie> JS: This is Microsoft's mappings for several roles.
20:34:19 <joanie> BG: Do we have a Microsoft rep?
20:34:25 <joanie> JS: Yes, Bogdan.
20:34:28 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/469
20:34:36 <joanie> JS: Bogdan's given me a pull request (see above URL)
20:34:43 <joanie> JS: Last week, Joanie and I looked at it.
20:34:59 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/469#issuecomment-259260774
20:35:02 <joanie> JS: They are using the describedby array for aria-details.
20:35:34 <joanie> JS: The above comment asks about aria-details and aria-describedby collisions and whether or not they can support both.
20:35:55 <joanie> JS: (Reads Bogdan's reply)
20:36:29 <joanie> JS: I take that to mean if there are both, there will be two pointers in the describedby array, along with a full description.
20:40:40 <joanie> JS: I'm going to wait until Rich gets back.
20:40:52 <joanie> JS: Rich also had comments about this pull request.
20:41:13 <joanie> JS: And I don't want to pull it in before Rich has had a chance to respond.
20:41:19 <joanie> JS: Plus there are conflicts to resolve.
20:42:04 <joanie> Zakim, next item
20:42:04 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
20:42:34 <joanie> action-1681
20:42:34 <trackbot> action-1681 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose new wording, as an editorial change only to clarify the inclusion rules in section 5.1.2 -- due 2016-11-08 -- OPEN
20:42:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1681
20:42:54 <joanie> JS: I still have to do action-1681.
20:43:24 <joanie> BG: If someone puts role="presentation" on an svg element, is that only supposed to apply to only the element and not the children?
20:43:47 <joanie> JS: On non-svg, it's inherited. I'm not sure about svg.
20:45:34 <clown> https://www.w3.org/TR/svg-aam-1.0
20:46:30 <clown> action-1770
20:46:30 <trackbot> Sorry, but action-1770 does not exist.
20:46:37 <clown> action-1707
20:46:37 <trackbot> action-1707 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Edit the AXAPI mapping table for roles presentation and none to specify that when applied to tables and lists, the children are exposed as AXStaticText accessibles. -- due 2015-09-01 -- OPEN
20:46:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1707
20:47:24 <joanie> JS: (Reads from action comment)
20:47:28 <clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133133
20:49:49 <clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133133#c4
20:51:54 <joanie> JS: https://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/platform/mac/accessibility/aria-inherits-presentational-expected.txt?rev=169631
20:53:51 <joanie> <li><p>foo</p></li>
20:54:52 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-presentation
20:56:32 <joanie> JD: Were it me, I'd state that the text content is exposed through AXStaticText objects.
20:56:49 <joanie> JD: And that those objects may or may not be contained in AXGroup objects.
20:57:07 <joanie> JS: Ok, I think I can write something up on this.
20:58:01 <clown> aria-2056
20:58:05 <clown> action-2056
20:58:05 <trackbot> action-2056 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-06-07 -- OPEN
20:58:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
20:58:05 <joanie> action-2056
20:58:06 <trackbot> action-2056 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-06-07 -- OPEN
20:58:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
20:58:33 <joanie> JS: James objected to this.
20:59:58 <clown> action-2064
20:59:58 <trackbot> action-2064 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to The ATK/AT-SPI2 mappings for aria-readonly need to be updated. -- due 2016-05-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
20:59:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2064
21:00:06 <joanie> JS: This one is pending reivew
21:00:20 <joanie> JS: I was supposed to change the ATK/AT-SPI2 mappings for aria-readonly.
21:00:35 <joanie> JS: I took some text from Joanie about STATE_EDITABLE and STATE_READONLY.
21:00:46 <joanie> JS: She also suggested changes to mappings.
21:00:50 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaReadonlyTrue
21:01:08 <joanie> JS: The above URL has the mappings. Are they correct?
21:04:36 <joanie> JD: LGTM
21:04:46 <joanie> JS: Can I close the action?
21:04:55 <joanie> JD: Sure!
21:05:25 <joanie> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
21:05:34 <joanie> Zakim, part
21:05:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa
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