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13:09:06 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Dave_Raggett, Feng_Zhang, Johannes_Hund, Masato_Ohura, Ryan_Ware, Takeshi_Yamada, Takuki_Kamiya, Yongjing_Zhang
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13:15:03 <kaz> scribenick: mjkoster
13:15:11 <kaz> scribe: Michael_Koster
13:15:41 <Yongjing> where can we fine the agenda for today's call?
13:16:18 <jhund> Yongjing, see here: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf
13:17:04 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf#Agenda_of_next_WoT_IG_WebConf:_19_October_2016
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13:17:27 <kaz> present+ Takeshi_Yamada
13:17:34 <kaz> present+ Ryan_Ware
13:17:35 <Yongjing> i saw that, but why it's taged as Oct 19?
13:17:56 <Yongjing> thought it was obsolete
13:18:20 <Yongjing> now i see. thx
13:18:32 <kaz> present+ Keiichi_Tokuyama
13:19:44 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf#Agenda_of_next_WoT_IG_WebConf:_9_November_2016
13:19:54 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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13:23:42 <McCool> sorry for the time mixup, both michael koster and myself messed up
13:23:51 <McCool> logged in the webex, no-one else there
13:23:58 <McCool> did you create yet another webex?
13:24:47 <mjkoster> I sent you the link in an email
13:24:59 <mjkoster> about 10 m ago
13:25:08 <McCool> @koster, you re-sent me the old link...
13:25:23 <mjkoster> sorry...
13:25:23 <kaz> very sorry for the confusion
13:25:26 <mjkoster> yay!
13:26:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:27:06 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
13:27:43 <kaz> topic: Presentation slides at OCF
13:28:49 <mjkoster> mccool presents slides for OCF meeting
13:30:47 <mjkoster> mccool: OCF NDA prevents disclosing meeting proceedings
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13:31:35 <mjkoster> mccool: changed "bridging" to "spanning" to differentiaie from OCF bridging
13:33:01 <mjkoster> mccool: changed "standardised metadata" slide to show more architecture detail
13:34:04 <dsr> q+
13:34:51 <sebastian> q+
13:35:03 <dsr> ack dsr
13:37:39 <mjkoster> dsr: the slide is meant to show semantic metadata enables interoperability
13:38:19 <mjkoster> mccool: wanted to show how TD is hosted by each platform
13:38:33 <dsr> [actually the different categories of metadata listed on the left of the slide, not just semantics]
13:39:08 <mjkoster> sebastian: asks for clarification
13:40:33 <mjkoster> sebastian: suggest rearranging diagram to make it clear the "semantic metadata" is bound to the platform
13:40:58 <mjkoster> mccool: can update the diagram to clarify using arrows and indicate binding
13:43:49 <mjkoster> mccool: w3c scops slide showing all the related standards
13:43:54 <sebastian> q+
13:44:09 <mjkoster> s/scops/shows/
13:45:38 <Yongjing> q+
13:45:42 <mjkoster> mccool: architecture slide, change "proprietary" and "legacy" to "native" as more neutral terminology
13:46:18 <dsr> q+ to suggest change of colour scheme to improve contrast white on yellow is hard to read
13:46:47 <mjkoster> sebastian: missing the point of reusing existing domain knowledge e.g. schema.org, other ontologies
13:47:54 <mjkoster> Also the W3C tetris diagram is way out of date
13:49:03 <dsr> ack seb
13:49:13 <dsr> ack Yongjing
13:49:28 <jhund> q+
13:49:56 <mjkoster> yongjing: "native" implies WoT native, may want to clarify
13:51:20 <kaz> q?
13:51:25 <mjkoster> johannes: IoT instead of native?
13:51:38 <mjkoster> ??: platform?
13:51:53 <rrware> rrware: platform native
13:52:22 <jhund> ack jhund
13:52:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:52:54 <kaz> Meeting: WoT IG
13:53:01 <dsr> ack dsr
13:53:01 <Zakim> dsr, you wanted to suggest change of colour scheme to improve contrast white on yellow is hard to read
13:53:25 <ying_ying> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/current-practices/wot-getting-started-riot-summit-2016.pptx
13:54:19 <mjkoster> mccool: where is the source for the slides?
13:54:53 <kaz> s/pptx/pptx Original PowerPoint file/
13:55:32 <mjkoster> discussion of alternate terms vs. "native"
13:57:41 <mjkoster> mccool: maybe remove the entire external subsystem and just show pure WoT architecture
13:58:50 <mjkoster> jhund: show OCF protocol binding, client, and server connection
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13:59:54 <sebastian> q+
14:02:14 <mjkoster> mccool: relationship slide to show that the broader scope of W3C can open OCF to other ecosystems
14:04:06 <mjkoster> mccool: suggest that a set of people both OCF and W3C members work out a proposal for scope and deliverables and submit that for publication
14:04:30 <mjkoster> this done in a way that respects OCF NDA
14:05:17 <mjkoster> mccool: could also have a closed session under NDA but initial step is a document to propose scope and deliverables
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14:06:28 <mjkoster> mccool: summary slide
14:07:21 <mjkoster> mccool: proposes to add the benefit of enabling automated tooling
14:08:05 <jhund> q+ about tooling
14:08:18 <jhund> q+ to talk about tooling
14:08:25 <jhund> ack about
14:08:29 <kaz> q?
14:08:31 <jhund> ack tooling
14:08:38 <jhund> ack seb
14:09:47 <mjkoster> sebastian: add "..." for other ecosystems to previous slide
14:10:15 <mjkoster> sebastian: semantic web *technology*
14:10:19 <kaz> q?
14:10:26 <kaz> ack jhund
14:10:26 <Zakim> jhund, you wanted to talk about tooling
14:10:51 <dsr> q+
14:11:28 <mjkoster> jhund: agrees that tooling is a benefit "ecosystem of tools" is what drives the web
14:11:40 <mjkoster> mccool: scalable tooling
14:12:11 <mjkoster> jhund: expecting an open source ecosystem to emerge around this
14:12:55 <mjkoster> dsr: also talk about an open marketplace of services
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14:13:16 <mjkoster> dsr:vendor and platform independent
14:13:52 <mjkoster> mccool: overlaps with OCF
14:14:09 <mjkoster> dsr: it expands the reach of OCF
14:14:15 <mjkoster> mccool: OK
14:14:57 <mjkoster> mccool: close discussion, other agenda items?
14:15:06 <kaz> topic: F2F Logistics
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14:16:20 <mjkoster> topic: f2f arrangements
14:16:28 <kaz> q+
14:16:35 <dsr> ack dsr
14:16:38 <mjkoster> jhund: plan an open day fpr public participation
14:17:00 <mjkoster> s/fpr/for/
14:17:35 <mjkoster> jhund: good outreach and exchange of ideas
14:17:56 <mjkoster> mccool: planning for 4 days
14:18:20 <kaz> q?
14:19:34 <kaz> ack k
14:19:52 <mjkoster> kaz: maybe not have an open day and focus on 3 topics
14:20:33 <mjkoster> dsr: silicon valley would have a lot of interested paople for open day and it would be very valuable outreach for the IG/WG
14:20:56 <mjkoster> s/paople/people
14:21:52 <mjkoster> jhund: who should we invite
14:21:59 <kaz> s/maybe not have an open day and focus on 3 topics/we have several topics for our f2f in February, IG meeting, WG meeting, PlugFest and OpenDay. there could be a possibility we might omit OpenDay this time, but we should discuss what to do./
14:22:05 <mjkoster> dsr: cloud companies, google cloud
14:22:21 <mjkoster> mccool: amazon, universities
14:22:28 <kaz> s/omit OpenDay/omit OpenDay and concentrate the other 3 topics/
14:22:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:22:53 <jhund> s/who should we invite/we should gather proposed speakers resp. outreach possibilities into the wiki/
14:24:50 <mjkoster> mccool: brainstorm on wiki page
14:24:53 <kaz> s/F2F Logistics//
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14:25:09 <mjkoster> mccool: final pass on slides and present in morning
14:25:35 <mjkoster> jhund: how to split IG/WG for the meeting
14:25:48 <mjkoster> mccool: will charter be done?
14:26:00 <mjkoster> dsr: should be done by then
14:27:09 <mjkoster> mccool: working on PRs to implement changes from feedback
14:27:13 <mjkoster> mccool: AOB?
14:27:56 <mjkoster> mccool: added logos to the page of W3C IG members
14:28:02 <kaz> i/working on/[ We'll talk with Wendy about the procedure. ]/
14:28:22 <mjkoster> mccool: others that need to be added?
14:28:49 <mjkoster> mccool: AOB?
14:30:03 <mjkoster> kaz: add graphics to the slides, will send to mccool
14:30:49 <rrware> present-
14:31:14 <mjkoster> mccool: adjourn
14:31:25 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
14:31:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft mintues
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