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18:40:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:40:50 <trackbot> Date: 01 November 2016
18:41:05 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:41:28 <clown> clown has changed the topic to: WebEx Access Code 641 707 405 (Next meeting 08-Nov-2016, 20:00 UTC)
18:45:06 <clown> agenda: this
18:45:13 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-676: (Joseph) Adding MSAA+IA2 action, interface, and relations to role mappings.
18:45:19 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-2121: (Joseph/Joanie) Correct the ATK/AT-SPI text for single and multiple selection removal.
18:45:24 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-1038/ISSUE-1026: (Bogdan, James) Mappings for feed, figure, and term.
18:45:29 <clown> agenda+ Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
18:45:35 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:45:43 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:45:48 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:45:52 <clown> agenda+ be done.
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18:59:59 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
19:00:04 <joanie> scribe: joanie
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19:06:28 <bgaraventa1979> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
19:06:37 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:07:32 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
19:07:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ISSUE-676: (Joseph) Adding MSAA+IA2 action, interface, and relations to role mappings." taken up [from clown]
19:07:43 <clown> issue-676?
19:07:43 <trackbot> issue-676 -- Is it useful to identify MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI actions, interfaces, and relations in the mappings? -- open
19:07:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/676
19:08:02 <joanie> JS: Jason Kiss brought up this issue quite some time ago.
19:08:12 <joanie> JS: Joanie and I completed ATK/AT-SPI2 weeks ago.
19:08:33 <joanie> JS: I've been working on MSAA and IA2 recently, but I'm not yet finished.
19:08:43 <joanie> JS: I'm working on the role table currently.
19:09:07 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-2126/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_role_table
19:09:29 <joanie> JS: The URL is for my branch where I'm doing my work.
19:09:35 <joanie> JS: Start with alertdialog
19:11:07 <joanie> JS: For ATK/AT-SPI2 it has a role and an interface mapping.
19:11:24 <joanie> JS: But MSAA + IA2 doesn't yet. I've indicated this with a note.
19:11:36 <joanie> JS: Does IA2 have a "Window" interface?
19:11:38 <joanie> RS: No.
19:13:13 <joanie> JS: Looking at grid, we have interfaces table and selection for ATK.
19:13:43 <joanie> JS: For MSAA + IA2, I have the table interface, but didn't know about selection. Does IA2 have a selection interface?
19:13:50 <joanie> RS: Yes, it has to.
19:14:01 <clown> http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/
19:14:15 <joanie> JS: I don't see IAccessibleSelection in the docs at the above URL.
19:14:21 <joanie> RS: They have to have selection.
19:16:28 <Rich> http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/interface_i_accessible_table2.html
19:19:26 <joanie> RS: Selected is probably from MSAA. Let me look.
19:19:52 <joanie> JS: I wonder what the do for table in HTML.
19:20:04 <joanie> JS: Answer, "Use WAI-ARIA mapping"
19:21:17 <clown> *sigh*
19:24:30 <Rich> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms788733(v=vs.110).aspx
19:25:50 <joanie> (Group looks for evidence of the selection interface's existence)
19:25:56 <clown> http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/_accessible_role_8idl.html
19:27:44 <Rich> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/javax/accessibility/package-summary.html
19:31:49 <joanie> JS: I'm going to ask Alex Surkov about the selection interface for grid and listbox at least
19:32:40 <joanie> JS: There's also a note for ATK for grid: "Because WAI-ARIA does not support modifying the selection via the accessibility API, user agents must return false for all Selection methods that provide a means to modify the selection."
19:33:38 <joanie> JS: For role img, I have a note regarding the existence of an image interface.
19:33:46 <joanie> JS: I just found it, so that one is solved.
19:33:56 <joanie> JS: Listbox, same question about selection.
19:34:24 <joanie> JS: For menu, is there a selection interface.
19:35:23 <joanie> JS: Same for menubar and some others.
19:35:42 <joanie> JS: For progressbar, there's a warning for ATK about not being able to set the value.
19:35:55 <joanie> JS: Should the same warning be present for IA2? I think it should.
19:37:40 <joanie> JD: Agreed.
19:37:54 <joanie> JS: Are we going to be testing these things (setting values, etc.)
19:38:08 <joanie> JD: Yes. We already have at least one test case and my ATTA supports it.
19:38:24 <joanie> JS: I might have this done by next week.
19:38:48 <joanie> RS: I'm still working on cat herding.
19:39:49 <joanie> RS: I am not writing more test cases, until more of these mappings are done.
19:39:57 <joanie> RS: In particular, the mappings for UIA and Mac.
19:40:19 <joanie> RS: I sent a note to Bogdan.
19:41:50 <clown> issue-1026?
19:41:50 <trackbot> issue-1026 -- AAPI mappings for aria-errormessage -- open
19:41:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1026
19:42:13 <clown> issue-1038?
19:42:13 <trackbot> issue-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed", "figure", "term" for all AAPIs -- open
19:42:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
19:42:25 <clown> action-2119?
19:42:26 <trackbot> action-2119 -- James Craig to Update Core-AAM for macOS -- due 2016-10-18 -- OPEN
19:42:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2119
19:44:34 <Rich> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151691
19:49:19 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 3
19:49:19 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ISSUE-1038/ISSUE-1026: (Bogdan, James) Mappings for feed, figure, and term." taken up [from clown]
19:50:03 <joanie> (Group examines and discusses links provided by James in the action)
19:50:19 <joanie> RS: I will email James because we need the mappings rather than links to bugs.
19:55:41 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 2
19:55:41 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ACTION-2121: (Joseph/Joanie) Correct the ATK/AT-SPI text for single and multiple selection removal." taken up [from clown]
19:56:27 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_selection
19:56:35 <joanie> JS: There is some text at the above URL.
19:56:42 <joanie> JS: I've added a couple of bullets.
19:57:07 <joanie> JS: I've done something similar for the multiselect table below.
20:01:28 <joanie> JD: Event details! I am so happy!!
20:02:11 <joanie> JD: However, the event type for which those details apply is not object:selection_changed; it's object:state_changed:selected.
20:02:24 <joanie> (JS and JD briefly discuss wording)
20:02:57 <joanie> JS: If you go back to the beginning of selection, I added a parenthetical remark.
20:03:01 <joanie> JS: (Reads)
20:03:27 <joanie> JS: "In the single selection case, selection follows focus (see the section "Focus States and Events Table" for information about focus events). User agents MUST fire the following events when aria-selected changes:"
20:03:47 <joanie> JS: And if you follow the link, you will see similar tet under focus states.
20:07:00 <joanie> JD: Those details do apply to object:state-changed:focused, but not focus:
20:07:17 <joanie> JD: And focus: has been deprecated. Can we say that?
20:07:23 <joanie> JS: We can remove it.
20:07:26 <joanie> JD: Perfect.
20:08:44 <joanie> JD: Looking at the ATK docs, it appears the signals are hyphenated and not underscored (e.g. object:selection-changed)
20:08:51 <joanie> https://developer.gnome.org/atk/stable/AtkSelection.html#AtkSelection-selection-changed
20:08:56 <joanie> JS: Noted. I will do it.
20:09:32 <joanie> Zakim, part
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