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12:56:21 <tzviya> title: DPUB-ARIA Weekly meeting
12:57:14 <tzviya> Meeting: DPUB-ARIA Weekly Meeting
12:59:01 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016Oct/0027.html
12:59:06 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya
13:00:25 <tzviya> present+
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13:05:53 <MichaelC> present+
13:06:28 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
13:07:39 <tzviya> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/dpub-cr/aria/dpub.html
13:09:51 <tzviya> topic: Exit Criteria
13:11:36 <MichaelC> q+
13:11:44 <ivan> q+
13:11:44 <tzviya> Tzviya: Ivan added sentence to indicate that those using terms in epub:type have clear plan to shift to DPUB-ARIA role
13:12:34 <tzviya> Rich: I disagree with these exit criteria bc there are mappings
13:13:03 <MichaelC> ack me
13:13:26 <tzviya> Michael: I don't think that we need to test role mappings. We will test the the API mappings separately
13:13:28 <tzviya> ack iv
13:14:03 <tzviya> Ivan: We are not disagreeing that the role mappings need to be testing as ARIA Core is
13:14:26 <tzviya> ...We are testing 2 recommendations, and they should have 2 seperate exit criteria
13:14:51 <tzviya> Michael: The reason this is different from ARIA is that the DPUB roles can be implemented without mappings and still be usefule
13:15:06 <tzviya> s/usefule/useful
13:16:06 <tzviya> Michael: We are still testing the API Mappings. It is actually cleaner than what we've done in ARIA
13:16:06 <janina> present+ Janina
13:16:46 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
13:16:57 <tzviya> Ivan: I have the experience of testing 3 specs for a WG, and each has slightly different exit criteria. This is very clean
13:17:38 <tzviya> Rich: Please clarify wording in proposed exit criteria "the role attribute value is used, as defined in this specification; or, as a fallback"
13:18:52 <ShaneM> rich do you mean the aria attributes or do you mean the role values ?
13:19:40 <tzviya> Ivan: fallback means inclusion of both of both, as a precaution
13:21:14 <tzviya> Rich: I would prefer to see exit criteria require 2 publishers (or other) use the role mechanism, but not be comprehensive
13:21:29 <tzviya> Ivan: I will work on wording today
13:22:33 <tzviya> Rich: How does this affect the world of epub:type? How is this valuable as exit criteria?
13:22:51 <tzviya> Tzviya: one of the goals of this vocab is to replace epub:Type
13:23:07 <tzviya> Ivan: and, we can prove that the terms have value to publishers
13:23:34 <tzviya> Ivan: We need to create exit criteria for mapping document
13:24:00 <tzviya> Michael: We can copy/paste from ARIA AAM for DPUB-AAM exit criteria
13:24:20 <tzviya> Ivan: For MS mappings, what are you waiting for?
13:24:37 <tzviya> Rich: mappings, which may influence implementations
13:25:35 <ShaneM> doesn't NVDA rely upon the browser too?
13:26:06 <ShaneM> I just meant is isnt only JAWS
13:27:34 <tzviya> Topic: Pullquote implicit value
13:27:36 <tzviya> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/dpub-cr/aria/dpub.html#doc-pullquote
13:28:26 <tzviya> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016Oct/0029.html
13:29:24 <tzviya> Tzviya: Matt noticed an error last week in doc-pullquote, made minor change to definition
13:29:43 <tzviya> subclasses "none"
13:31:15 <tzviya> Tzviya: Alexander recommended NOT doing aria-hidden='true', instead doing 'no semantics, not exposed'
13:32:42 <tzviya> Rich: The only API that maps is Apple, which maps to "group"
13:32:50 <tzviya> ...so the only change would be to Apple
13:35:02 <ivan> q+
13:35:05 <tzviya> ack iv
13:35:26 <ShaneM> you are way off mike ivan
13:36:13 <tzviya> Tzviya: Rich emailed API Mappers to resolve issue.
13:37:11 <tzviya> Ivan: I edited the exit criteria while discussing
13:37:37 <tzviya> consensus on exit criteria
13:37:54 <ShaneM> That's awesome - thanks Mickael!
13:38:20 <tzviya> Tzviya: I'll work with Shane on testing DPUB-ARIA
13:38:46 <tzviya> Shane: We are testing DPUB-ARIA and DPUB-AAM - 2 sets of tests
13:39:05 <tzviya> ...Do we want tests in WPT or just in a repo?
13:39:13 <tzviya> Ivan: I think a repo is fine
13:40:51 <tzviya> Shane: What's the target date for CR Complete?
13:41:58 <tzviya> Michael: ARIA CR Complete is 13 Jan, so we should aim to DPUB at the same time
13:42:19 <ShaneM> That's fine
13:45:38 <tzviya> rrsagent, make logs public
13:45:51 <tzviya> rrsagent, make minutes
13:45:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/10/27-dpub-aria-minutes.html tzviya
13:51:40 <ShaneM> https://spec-ops.github.io/atta-api/index.html
13:53:06 <ivan> https://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp-ucr/
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16:33:26 <tzviya> rrsagent, bye
16:33:26 <RRSAgent> I see no action items