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14:54:39 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:54:39 Date: 25 October 2016
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14:54:50 present+ paulc
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14:56:39 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Oct/0047.html
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14:58:48 Are you joining the call, Paul?
14:59:57 Yes, I am here
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15:02:26 Present: paulc, jdsmith, markw, joesteele, ddorwin
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15:05:17 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Oct/0047.html
15:05:33 Topic: EME timeline
15:05:46 Paul: we're supposed to have the test suite completed with the test results
15:05:59 ... CfC on Nov 8
15:06:05 ... but that was for a revised CR
15:07:21 Topic: EME test status
15:07:34 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Oct/0050.html
15:08:32 Jerry: was expecting Chrome some of the persistent license tests and it didn't
15:08:42 ... might be missing something
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15:09:12 David: did you run them on chrome os?
15:09:21 ... we don't expect chrome on windows to pass those
15:09:34 Jerry: if you can run the tests and give me the json, I'll include it
15:10:08 David: also we made 2 PRs since then but will not change the less-than-2
15:10:29 ... in general, the results were expected
15:10:47 Jerry: so bugs on errors type/handling aren't blockers
15:11:10 Jerry: for persistent usage records, we have a few bugs
15:11:18 ... including the readyState
15:11:28 David: Chrome has an underlying issue related to this
15:11:33 ... Chris has a PR for that
15:11:44 ... so we can fix the spec and land those
15:12:26 Jerry: some bugs are linked to WPT, affecting 2 tests
15:13:13 David: one test should be disabled unless it gets fixed
15:13:16 Mark: agreed
15:13:35 Paul: so, we're waiting on chrome os results
15:13:43 ... and waiting on fixes on the test suite itself
15:14:30 David: we'll deal with the readyState proposal today, should wrap up the spec, and Chris can update his WPT test PR
15:14:45 Paul: and he might need time to make implementation changes
15:16:05 Jerry: I'll produce a summary of the 14 tests
15:17:21 Topic: Test suite open issues
15:17:26 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3Aencrypted-media%20-milestone%3AVNext
15:17:51 Paul: how many of these do we expect to solve?
15:18:09 David: $4027 is critical
15:18:16 s/$/#/
15:18:32 David: #4058 is a spec text issue
15:18:48 David: others are request for additional testing
15:20:32 MarkW: for #4027, I think it's not essential. no need to pass at the moment.
15:20:42 ... so test should be deactivated
15:21:33 Topic: EME open issues
15:21:40 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20-milestone%3AVNext%20
15:23:10 David: #312. lack of interest to move forward.
15:23:32 David: #333 has a PR for that. will land.
15:23:49 David: #336 is about readyState. there is a proposal.
15:23:56 David: #340 is also approved.
15:26:09 Plh: #183 . would need w3c to have a different way to do registries
15:26:16 Paul: mark it v.next
15:27:22 David: make sure we have proper wording on updates
15:27:24 Plh: ok
15:27:48 Paul: we'll come back to #85 later
15:28:06 Topic: Proposal to Advance EME to Proposed Recommendation
15:28:12 Paul: we got a proposal from MSFT
15:28:18 and a response from Adobe
15:28:40 Jerry: [summarize the proposal]
15:31:55 [going around the table for opinions]
15:32:47 David: if we remove both persistent type, we'll remove quite a bit of text from the spec...
15:33:13 Paul: if we can point to bugs on browser implementations with some sort of commitments, that would help our evidence
15:34:36 Mark: we should ask the Safari folks...
15:34:50 Paul: done it and didn't get a response. no pre-announcement from them.
15:34:58 ... we could take it offline
15:37:25 Mark: [repeating Netflix position]
15:38:29 Topic: EME @risk features
15:39:07 Paul: if I put a CfC to propose to retain persistent license and readyState (if fixed), we need to decide with persistent-usage-record
15:39:18 ... where is the sweet spot?
15:39:25 q+
15:39:46 David: persitent license isn't at risk
15:40:05 ... and we don't have implementation persistent-usage-record
15:40:20 ... and for readyState, we know how it should work but don't have a passing implementation
15:40:38 ack joe
15:40:51 Joe: +1
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15:41:18 ... we don't have a strong opinion on persistent-usage-record and readyState
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15:41:37 q+
15:41:38 Jerry: we proposed a bar. do we think it's viable?
15:42:29 Paul: what really matters is what people want to do. Chris wants to get things done. So, looking for a CfC to pass. Not worried about the rational.
15:42:47 ... the original text points to the passive criteria, which gives room for judgment
15:43:07 ... I don't think I'd have troubles to argue to the Director
15:43:21 ... having pointers to implementation bugs would just give us more data
15:44:19 Paul: I hear support for removing persistent-usage-record and retaining readyState if we can fix it
15:44:59 ... and we will not publish a new CR and go directly to PR
15:46:29 Mark: I think the criteria proposed by MS leads to a different conclusion. I suggest making one passing implementation to be the minimum bar.
15:46:55 Paul: agreed
15:47:50 Plh: sounds a reasonable approach.
15:48:24 Jerry: for persistent-license, it will require that ChromeOS passes those tests.
15:48:30 David: should be the case
15:49:41 Paul: ok, I think I know how to craft the CfC at this point
15:52:21 Paul: ok, we have our actions and a plan
15:53:01 [adjourned]
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15:53:33 Chair: Paul
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