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18:42:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:42:48 <trackbot> Date: 25 October 2016
18:43:18 <clown> clown has changed the topic to: WebEx Access Code 641 707 405 (Next meeting 01-Nov-2016, 20:00 UTC)
18:43:32 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:43:44 <clown> agenda: this
18:43:59 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-2122: (Joseph) Fixed ATK/AT-SPI "AccessibleValue" interface - should be "Value".
18:44:09 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-1051/ACTION-2125 (Joseph) IA2 object property name for aria-placeholder is "placeholder-text".
18:44:19 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-676: (Joseph) Adding MSAA+IA2 action, interface, and relations to role mappings.
18:44:26 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-2121: (Joseph/Joanie) Correct the ATK/AT-SPI text for single and multiple selection removal.
18:44:36 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-1038/ISSUE-1026: (Bogdan, James) Mappings for feed, figure, and term.
18:44:44 <clown> agenda+ Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
18:44:49 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:44:56 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:45:01 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:45:08 <clown> agenda+ be done.
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18:56:28 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:57:07 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
18:57:11 <joanie> scribe: joanie
18:59:46 <joanie> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
19:00:58 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
19:02:37 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
19:02:37 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ACTION-2122: (Joseph) Fixed ATK/AT-SPI "AccessibleValue" interface - should be "Value"." taken up [from clown]
19:02:45 <clown> action-2122
19:02:45 <trackbot> action-2122 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Change all ATK/AT-SPI uses of "AccessibleValue" interface to "Value" interface. -- due 2016-10-25 -- CLOSED
19:02:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2122
19:02:50 <joanie> JS: This is something Rich noticed last week.
19:03:03 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/759ee0e99ea0f4ae77d364c1832fea25fa2a95e3
19:03:08 <joanie> JS: The ATK/AT-SPI2 mapping said "AccessibleValue" rather than "Value".
19:03:38 <joanie> JS: There were only three instances in the entire document. I made the changes and closed the action.
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19:04:14 <joanie> JS: Rich anything else?
19:04:17 <joanie> RS: No.
19:04:20 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:04:20 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ISSUE-1051/ACTION-2125 (Joseph) IA2 object property name for aria-placeholder is "placeholder-text"." taken up [from clown]
19:04:27 <clown> issue-1051?
19:04:27 <trackbot> issue-1051 -- Use object property "placeholder-text" for MSAA+IA2 mapping of aria-placeholder -- pending review
19:04:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1051
19:04:35 <joanie> JS: This is something Alex sent me last week.
19:04:49 <joanie> JS: On the IA2 list, they were discussing what to call the attribute.
19:04:55 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/1f4da4b922b197d7a0bf6bf0f3eb14fe8df64e6d
19:05:05 <joanie> JS: The summary is that they want to call it placeholder-text to match ATK/AT-SPI2.
19:06:13 <joanie> JS: So I've made the change.
19:06:24 <joanie> RS: We need to update the test harness wiki. I'll do that now.
19:06:42 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-placeholder
19:06:48 <joanie> JD: Right now, the automated tests for my platform are failing becauase the attribute is currently placeholder in Gecko.
19:07:36 <joanie> JS: So we can close action-2125?
19:07:39 <joanie> JD: Yes
19:07:56 <joanie> RS: You changed the mapping, right?
19:08:00 <joanie> JS: Yes, for IA2.
19:08:12 <joanie> JS: The link for github is above.
19:08:34 <joanie> JS: And I'll also close the associated issue then.
19:08:53 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:08:53 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ISSUE-676: (Joseph) Adding MSAA+IA2 action, interface, and relations to role mappings." taken up [from clown]
19:09:00 <clown> issue-676?
19:09:00 <trackbot> issue-676 -- Is it useful to identify MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI actions, interfaces, and relations in the mappings? -- open
19:09:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/676
19:09:04 <joanie> JS: Quick update here.
19:09:25 <joanie> JS: We had previously added information to the ATK/AT-SPI2 mappings to declare actions, interfaces, and relations.
19:09:34 <joanie> JS: Jason Kiss wanted us to do the same for IA2.
19:09:38 <joanie> JS: I wrote Alex.
19:09:42 <clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Oct/0083.html
19:09:57 <joanie> JS: Alex got back to me and stated that what we did for ATK/AT-SPI2 can be mostly copied.
19:10:00 <joanie> RS: Mostly?
19:10:18 <joanie> JS: Alex has a few cases where it is not a straight copy, but he told me what to put in.
19:10:57 <joanie> JS: There's a column MSAA + IA2.
19:11:05 <joanie> JS: And if it's MSAA, we just state it
19:11:24 <joanie> JS: But if it's IA2, we put "IA2:" as a prefix
19:11:32 <joanie> RS: That's kind of redundant
19:11:55 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaPlaceholder
19:12:53 <clown> "IAccessible2: Expose as object attribute placeholder-text:<value>. "
19:13:46 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaOrientationVertical
19:14:10 <clown> "IAccessible2:
19:14:10 <clown> 
19:14:10 <clown>     Set: IA2_STATE_VERTICAL
19:14:10 <clown>     Clear: IA2_STATE_HORIZONTAL
19:14:11 <clown> "
19:14:17 <joanie> JS: Examples are above.
19:16:04 <joanie> JD: We already took out the "ATK_" or "ATSPI_" prefixes for my platform's enums and the world didn't come to an end, so why not?
19:16:12 <joanie> JS: I'll remove them then.
19:16:21 <joanie> JS: (Reading Jason's other observations)
19:16:57 <joanie> s/Jason's/Alex's/
19:22:14 <joanie> <p>Hello list! <select>...</select> the end</p>
19:22:34 <joanie> The paragraph element implements the accessible hypertext interface
19:22:48 <joanie> The hypertext interface is how we get the listbox
19:22:53 <joanie> or combobox
19:23:29 <joanie> The listbox/combobox/select is represented in the accessible text of the paragraph via a replacement character.
19:31:15 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1739
19:33:40 <clown> action:  Joseph to add actions, interfaces, and relations to the MSAA+IA2 mappings.
19:33:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2126 - Add actions, interfaces, and relations to the msaa+ia2 mappings. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2016-11-01].
19:33:46 <clown> action-2126?
19:33:46 <trackbot> action-2126 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add actions, interfaces, and relations to the msaa+ia2 mappings. -- due 2016-11-01 -- OPEN
19:33:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2126
19:40:36 <joanie> (Lengthy technical discussion on the interface implementations in each user agent to help inform the group decision)
19:41:10 <joanie> JD: If you look at Alex's email, I believe he is not suggesting we add mention of the interfaces throughout the Core AAM; I believe he's suggesting we remove mention of them from the link.
19:42:10 <joanie> JS: If we remove these interfaces from link, what's the downside?
19:44:48 <joanie> JD: From a practical standpoint, it won't really change anything. It's already not mentioned for all the objects where implementation is needed.
19:45:34 <joanie> JD: That does not change the fact that user agents need to -- and have -- implemented support in the appropriate places.
19:45:50 <joanie> JD: And if they fail to do so, James Teh, I, and others would file bugs against the user agent.
19:46:06 <joanie> JD: The reality is that we don't need the Core AAM to make user agents do the right thing.
19:46:21 <joanie> JD: Thus the downside is the Core AAM is technically incomplete now.
19:46:24 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=34
19:46:41 <joanie> JD: We can fix that by adding the missing information throughout the Core AAM.
19:47:38 <joanie> JD: Or we can remove reference from the link because its presence might imply these interfaces are not needed elsehwere, which is also technically incorrect.
19:47:50 <joanie> JS: So I think the simplest thing to do is remove it.
19:48:14 <joanie> RS: It's not a new feature for ARIA 1.1, so we don't really have to test it.
19:48:35 <joanie> RS + JS: Because we tested it in 1.0 and passed it.
19:49:13 <joanie> JS: I'm inclined to remove it from the spec as per Alex's suggestion.
19:49:21 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-link
19:51:05 <clown> From before (Joanie's example):  <p>Hello list! <select>...</select> the end</p>
19:56:43 <joanie> (More technical discussion)
19:56:49 <joanie> JS:
19:56:55 <joanie> s/JS://
19:57:13 <joanie> JS: So the conclusion is that I'm going to follow Alex's suggestion.
19:57:16 <joanie> JS: Objections?
19:57:20 <joanie> (Silence)
19:57:42 <joanie> JS: And I'm going to use Alex's email to fill in the rest.
20:01:57 <joanie> Zakim, part
20:01:57 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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