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14:05:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
14:05:09 <trackbot> Date: 12 October 2016
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14:05:31 <ScottSimmons> we will need to do the "present+" thing again
14:05:40 <ScottSimmons> present+ ScottSimmons
14:05:50 <MattPerry> present+ MattPerry
14:06:00 <Linda> present+ Linda
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14:06:26 <jtandy> present+ jtandy
14:07:45 <Linda> regrets+ eparsons, josh, bill
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14:08:48 <Linda> scribe: Linda
14:09:04 <Linda> topic: minutes
14:09:24 <jtandy> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-sdwbp-minutes
14:09:41 <jtandy> PROPOSED: approve minutes on 7-Sep-2016
14:09:43 <AndreaPerego> +1
14:09:44 <jtandy> +1
14:09:45 <MattPerry> +1
14:09:46 <ScottSimmons> +1
14:09:51 <Linda> +0 not there
14:09:54 <ByronCinNZ> +1
14:09:56 <Linda> resolved
14:10:08 <jtandy> RESOLVED: approve minutes on 7-Sep-2016
14:10:18 <Linda> topic: patent call
14:10:51 <Linda> topic: agenda
14:11:03 <AndreaPerego> Patent call: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
14:11:09 <Linda> jtandy: issues about current draft,
14:11:34 <Linda> ... next topics,
14:11:42 <Linda> ... time switch
14:12:03 <Linda> topic: time switch
14:12:23 <Linda> jtandy: would going to a later time help?
14:12:25 <Linda> ByronCinNZ: yes
14:12:41 <AndreaPerego> How much late?
14:14:04 <Linda> jtandy: the proposal would be 1 hour later, so CET 5 to 6
14:14:13 <AndreaPerego> No problem for me
14:14:16 <Linda> ScottSimmons: really good for me
14:14:21 <Linda> MattPerry: for me too
14:14:39 <jtandy> PROPOSED: next & subsequent BP sub-group calls will be at 16:00utc
14:14:50 <AndreaPerego> +1
14:14:50 <Linda> +1
14:15:02 <MattPerry> +1
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14:15:46 <jtandy> ACTION: check with Australians ...
14:15:47 <trackbot> Error finding 'check'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
14:15:50 <Linda> ByronCinNZ: might be early for the australians
14:15:53 <ChrisLittle_> Present+ ChrisLittle
14:16:06 <jtandy> ACTION: jtandy to check new BP subgroup time with Australians ...
14:16:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Check new bp subgroup time with australians ... [on Jeremy Tandy - due 2016-10-19].
14:16:14 <ChrisLittle_> * Sorry about being late
14:16:23 <Linda> jtandy: let's go for 1600UTC unless there's a real problem
14:16:38 <Linda> topic: issues arising from pending WD review
14:17:02 <Linda> jtandy: has everybody read it, are there questions?
14:17:24 <Linda> ScottSimmons: yes and no - have read it but not formulated questions yet.
14:17:46 <ChrisLittle_> Q+
14:17:50 <Linda> jtandy: AndreaPerego, you sent an email, potentially some editorial suggestions?
14:18:27 <Linda> AndreaPerego: yes, I have something to add, an explanatory note about URIs not resolving yet
14:19:03 <Linda> ... and some minor editorial changes, could we still fix some typos etc? I could do this friday if it's still in time.
14:19:44 <Linda> jtandy: please do this in a pull request and send an email to the mailing list listing the changes.
14:20:18 <AndreaPerego> q+
14:20:22 <Linda> ... others as well: if you want to fix small things you can do it in this way.
14:20:29 <jtandy> ack ChrisLittle_
14:21:10 <Linda> ChrisLittle_: if I ask for reordering the UCR draft, does that have impact on the BP?
14:21:28 <Linda> ... now alphabetically ordered, but might be better grouped thematically.
14:21:51 <Linda> jtandy: we reference requirements by name
14:21:53 <AndreaPerego> q+ to mention the issue with Turtle syntax highlighting in the examples.
14:22:06 <Linda> ChrisLittle_: so we could renumber them without impacting the BP.
14:22:21 <Linda> jtandy: and the crossref of BPs and requirements is automatically generated.
14:22:31 <jtandy> q?
14:22:35 <jtandy> ack AndreaPerego
14:22:35 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to mention the issue with Turtle syntax highlighting in the examples.
14:22:36 <Linda> ChrisLittle_: so there's no reason not to ask this.
14:23:04 <Linda> AndreaPerego: there is a problem with syntax highlighting turtle. This is a bit annoying.
14:23:23 <Linda> ... we could raise this issue with Phil, probably there is a solution.
14:23:52 <Linda> jtandy: [looks for an example in the BP]
14:23:55 <jtandy> https://www.w3.org/TR/csv2rdf/#example-countries
14:24:09 <jtandy> EXAMPLE 4: http://example.org/countries-minimal.ttl
14:24:35 <Linda> jtandy: this example from CSV on the web has syntax highlighted turtle. I can find out how we did that.
14:25:15 <AndreaPerego> :)
14:25:44 <jtandy> q?
14:25:45 <Linda> ACTION: jtandy to find out how to syntax highlight turtle and send it to the group
14:25:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Find out how to syntax highlight turtle and send it to the group [on Jeremy Tandy - due 2016-10-19].
14:26:28 <Linda> jtandy: so you're all happy with the pending WD
14:26:31 <AndreaPerego> q+
14:26:37 <ByronCinNZ> q+
14:26:38 <Linda> topic: work for next WD
14:26:42 <jtandy> ack AndreaPerego
14:26:57 <Linda> jtandy: any thoughts for further work after the pending WD?
14:27:15 <Linda> AndreaPerego: I have some ideas from the inspire workshop, Clemens can give some details on that.
14:27:36 <Linda> ... Clemens and Ed could highlight ideas.
14:27:55 <Linda> ... for example, focussing (too much?) on the publishers instead of the users.
14:28:04 <Linda> ... but who are the users, web developers, or spatial experts?
14:28:33 <Linda> jtandy: in our Audience section we say we need to address both, but there's limited time to do this.
14:29:29 <Linda> ... [reads from doc]
14:29:51 <jtandy> q?
14:29:55 <Linda> ... it's tricky because we have limited time. If we manage to help the publishers, it shouldn't be hard for users to use the data anymore.
14:30:31 <Linda> AndreaPerego: I agree. but it should be clearer what our focus is.
14:31:00 <Linda> ... we could get ideas from the workshop on where it is not clear enough.
14:31:47 <jtandy> q?
14:31:58 <Linda> jtandy: the minutes from the workshop are terse, but it gives an idea of what the participants considered important. e.g. persistent identifiers.
14:32:15 <Linda> ...but we need to wait for Clemens and Ed's report.
14:32:27 <Linda> AndreaPerego: next meeting they should be talking about it.
14:32:34 <jtandy> ack ByronCinNZ
14:33:14 <Linda> ByronCinNZ: on the audience: was explicitly discussed in a previous meeting. In a may or june meeting I think.
14:33:35 <Linda> ... we should look at why we wanted to restrict the focus.
14:34:08 <Linda> ... Am working on crowdsourcing with students from university of Canberry.
14:34:26 <Linda> ... if we want to flesh the crowdsourcing BP out in the next WD we could do it with them.
14:34:54 <Linda> jtandy: we were wondering if the crowdsource BP was inherently spatial and if we should be including it or not.
14:35:24 <Linda> ... josh was talking earlier about a OGC IE about humans crowdsourcing.
14:35:42 <Linda> ByronCinNZ: the trust element is important, and there are a few spatial aspects.
14:36:04 <Linda> ... and the community aspect.
14:36:42 <Linda> jtandy: are the students looking for answers or able to supply some thoughts?
14:36:59 <Linda> ByronCinNZ: yes, not on all aspects, but on the trust side they are.
14:37:25 <Linda> jtandy: sounds like worth sharing with the broader group. Could you talk about this in a plenary group meeting?
14:37:51 <Linda> ByronCinNZ: probably, not the next one but the one after that, in 3 weeks time.
14:38:09 <ScottSimmons> we lost you, Jeremy
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14:40:09 <Linda> ByronCinNZ: yes
14:40:19 <Linda> q?
14:41:08 <jtandy> q?
14:41:47 <Linda> jtandy: so we have the inspire workshop stuff and the crowdsourcing stuff.
14:42:09 <Linda> ... Linda and I talked about having a 4 week or 6 week work cycle.
14:42:17 <Linda> ... do people think that's workable?
14:42:20 <AndreaPerego> +1
14:42:28 <Linda> ChrisLittle: good tactic
14:42:32 <Linda> ScottSimmons: agree
14:42:33 <ScottSimmons> +1
14:42:36 <Linda> +1
14:42:38 <ByronCinNZ> +1
14:42:43 <MattPerry> +1
14:42:52 <Linda> jtandy: we should use slack
14:43:07 <AndreaPerego> +1 :)
14:43:11 <Linda> ... the inspire workshop stuff could go in the first release
14:43:20 <jtandy> q?
14:43:20 <Linda> ... the crowdsource stuff in the second release
14:43:42 <Linda> ... at tpac we had discussion on a few of the best practices.
14:43:45 <jtandy> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-sdw-minutes.html
14:44:13 <Linda> ... we discussed BP7, globally unique id's and indirect id's.
14:44:23 <Linda> ... and about making your data indexable
14:44:46 <Linda> ... those could be part of the first release along the inspire stuff.
14:45:02 <jtandy> section §10: http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/#how-to-use
14:45:05 <Linda> ... and there's section 10, how to use these best practices?
14:45:32 <AndreaPerego> q+ to say that it may be worth having more examples in the BPs
14:45:34 <Linda> ... I'd like to make some progress on that as well.
14:45:39 <ByronCinNZ> q+
14:45:44 <Linda> q+
14:45:56 <jtandy> ack AndreaPerego
14:45:56 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to say that it may be worth having more examples in the BPs
14:46:26 <Linda> AndreaPerego: we should have more examples, and a running example. Don't know if it's feasible.
14:46:50 <Linda> ... I can provide other examples on metadata, but we need contributions from others as well.
14:47:07 <Linda> jtandy: we don't need complete examples but we need more in the next release, yes.
14:47:23 <Linda> ... a call for examples is a good idea.
14:47:25 <jtandy> q?
14:47:30 <jtandy> ack ByronCinNZ
14:48:02 <Linda> ByronCinNZ: another thing discussed at TPAC is that it's about spatial, not just geospatial, and we haven't reached out yet to other spatial communities.
14:48:21 <ChrisLittle> Present+ ChrisLittle
14:49:00 <Linda> ... an approach to this could be to relabel it a geospatial thing.
14:50:38 <Linda> ... 'spatial data on the web - geospatial'
14:50:46 <Linda> ... and we could add other types of spatial later.
14:53:28 <Linda> Linda: I agree, we need to consider how to deal with this. There's non-geospatial use cases, but no-one from those use cases actively helping us.
14:53:52 <Linda> jtandy: a way to deal with this is to reach out and ask for help, and make clear that if no-one does, it will not end up in the BP.
14:54:07 <Linda> ... we can ask the chairs to do this outreach.
14:54:12 <Linda> +1
14:54:28 <ByronCinNZ> +1
14:54:37 <AndreaPerego> +1
14:54:50 <MattPerry> +1
14:55:20 <Linda> ACTION: ByronCinNZ to ask Ed and Kerry as chairs to reach out to spatial, but not geospatial people to help us with the BP.
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14:56:21 <Linda> ACTION: Byron Cochrane to ask Ed and Kerry as chairs to reach out to spatial, but not geospatial people to help us with the BP.
14:56:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Cochrane to ask ed and kerry as chairs to reach out to spatial, but not geospatial people to help us with the bp. [on Byron Cochrane - due 2016-10-19].
14:57:15 <jtandy> q?
14:57:24 <jtandy> q?
14:57:26 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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14:57:28 <jtandy> ack Linda
14:57:34 <Linda> jtandy: will communicate to the group about this plan.
14:57:54 <AndreaPerego> Thanks and bye
14:58:27 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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