17:30:37 RRSAgent has joined #exi 17:30:37 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/10/11-exi-irc 17:30:39 RRSAgent, make logs public 17:30:39 Zakim has joined #exi 17:30:41 Zakim, this will be EXIWG 17:30:41 ok, trackbot 17:30:42 Meeting: Efficient XML Interchange Working Group Teleconference 17:30:42 Date: 11 October 2016 17:35:28 n8s has joined #exi 17:37:04 btw, I'm currently on a shuttle so I can listen in, but I might need to talk over irc until I get into the office in a few min 17:38:48 brutzman has joined #exi 17:39:42 seconded, this is a much better time :) 17:47:36 discussion: use of public-exi and member-exi mailing lists. Telcon information is W3C member-only, but other business by default is public (unless specifically noted as member only). 17:47:40 TOPIC: EXI Renaming 17:48:09 TK will publish next week's agenda on public list. 17:48:45 Publishing our agenda/minutes publicly, wherever appropriate, will hopefully encourage further participation as well. 17:49:02 TK: Carine suggested us to consult with the public regarding WG name change. 17:49:35 DP: Should we ask the public now? Or should we wait till our home page description becomes less XML-ish? 17:50:38 Asking the public for feedback will help us update the working group description. 17:50:55 DB: Getting feedback from public is helpful. 17:51:53 ... that will help us provide a good description for the broader focus as well. 17:52:07 DP: Describing what we are gonna achieve in the future will justify the name change. 17:55:30 DP: We can start work on the new work now, independent of the new charter discussion. 17:57:20 The working group name has changed once before, from XML Binary Compression (XBC) to Efficient XML Interchange (EXI). 17:57:46 CB: If we don't change the acronym, name change should be ok. However, we ought to ask the public if it is appropriate or not. 17:58:13 DP: And we discussed we should not change the short name. 17:59:00 The name changes reflect the major progress that the group has made, and all of this constructive evolution is a very positive trait. 17:59:43 DP: Carine's suggested name is the only good one so far. 18:00:05 DB: I agree as well. 18:06:31 CB: EXPath is a community group, and is still active. 18:07:09 n8s has joined #exi 18:07:40 DP: If we say "exi4css" the focus appears more about EXI than about CSS. 18:13:16 https://www.w3.org/community/expath/ 18:14:09 Binary Module 1.0, EXPath Module 3 December 2013, https://www.w3.org/2013/12/expath-binary-20131203 18:16:03 i'd hope that we would keep 'exi' in all EXI-related extensions that we do, otherwise they are not searchable or locatable. 18:17:47 ecss: "Enduring CSS, A guide to writing style sheets for large scale, rapidly changing, long-lived web projects" 18:19:11 DP: We can bring up the discussion of the name when we discuss EXI use with CSS WG. 18:21:20 EXI4JSON still seems like the correct name to me; "4" means "for", it certainly is EXI for JSON recommendation, and it originates in the EXI working group (rather than CSS group/community) 18:21:43 Discussion is always good, but this name seems OK. 18:27:07 TK: The WG prefers to use a consistent strategic names across all applications of EXI. 18:27:22 TK: EXI4JSON, EXI4CSS, etc. 18:28:42 TOPIC: Canonical EXI 18:30:18 DP: Should we change "intermediary" to "intermediate"? 18:30:34 I think that "Intermediary" is usually employed as noun: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/intermediary 18:30:59 while adjective is more typically "intermediate" 18:32:24 Web services specs used to have 'intermediaries' (noun) 18:40:03 n8s has joined #exi 18:40:46 (I had to run to my next meeting, but I'll keep an eye on the conversation going on here :) ) 18:41:20 DP: Do we need a change log? 18:41:42 CB: It is not mandatory. 18:42:00 DB: Staring from CR, we need to track every change. 18:42:22 DP: How long do we want to allow for feedback. 18:42:53 DP: Mid December is not very useful, so I wanted to set it to beginning of January. 18:43:42 CB: minimum is 8 weeks. 18:44:53 DP: Exit criteria. 18:45:12 DP: Test suite is one. 18:45:21 DP: Two implementations. 18:45:36 DP: Issues need to be taken care of. 18:50:34 DP: ... and W3C XML Activity. 18:51:00 DP: I recall DB and Liam mentioned XML activity will be abandoned. 18:51:08 CB: It no longer exists. 18:51:30 CB: Activities are abandoned for some time by now. 18:52:10 DB: Domains are being removed as well. 18:52:26 Found this page: https://www.w3.org/XML/Activity 18:52:38 DB: There is still a page about XML activity... 18:53:01 CB: It should mention we no longer maintains it. 18:54:54 Also found W3C page on XML, but no mention of EXI there. https://www.w3.org/XML 18:55:27 Correction: it does include "Efficient XML Interchange" just not the acronym EXI 18:58:39 CB: see Reorganization panel (facilitator - Coralie Mercier) for more information 19:06:05 rrsagent, create minutes 19:06:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/10/11-exi-minutes.html taki 19:15:58 [i have marked the activity page as obsolete] 19:18:56 and added EXI to the overview page as an acronym and with a short explanation 19:30:59 note that /XML needs a few updates too 19:32:34 Zakim has left #exi 19:41:35 n8s has joined #exi 20:47:45 n8s has joined #exi 22:26:05 n8s has joined #exi 22:29:50 n8s has joined #exi 23:02:27 n8s has joined #exi 23:33:05 n8s has joined #exi 23:49:14 n8s has joined #exi