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18:49:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:49:57 <trackbot> Date: 11 October 2016
18:50:18 <clown> clown has changed the topic to: WebEx Access Code 641 707 405 (Next meeting 18-Oct-2016, 20:00 UTC)
18:50:24 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:50:53 <clown> agenda: this
18:51:02 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-2102/ISSUE-1026: (Rich, All) Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec.
18:51:25 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-1047: (Rich/Joseph) Handle special cases of aria-roledescription.
18:51:37 <clown> agenda+ Github issue-428/ACTION-2120 (Bogdan): clean up UIA mapping of aria-haspopup.
18:51:46 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-676/: (Joanie, Joseph) Added RELATION_POPUP_FOR to ATK/AT-SPI aria-haspopup mappings.
18:52:00 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-706/ACTION-980 (All) Describe/define aria related states managed by the user agent.
18:52:11 <clown> agenda+ Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
18:52:19 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:52:36 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:52:44 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:52:53 <clown> agenda+ be done.
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19:00:34 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
19:00:39 <joanie> scribe: joanie
19:01:32 <Rich> present+Rich_Schwerdtfeger
19:02:33 <joanie> RRSAgent, make minutes
19:02:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/10/11-aapi-minutes.html joanie
19:06:09 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:06:45 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/html-aam/master/index.html#el-meter
19:07:48 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
19:07:48 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ACTION-2102/ISSUE-1026: (Rich, All) Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec." taken up [from clown]
19:07:59 <clown> action-2102
19:07:59 <trackbot> action-2102 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec. -- due 2016-08-04 -- OPEN
19:07:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2102
19:08:10 <joanie> JS: This is the stuff you really wanted done last week, Rich.
19:08:16 <joanie> JS: With errormessage, details, etc.
19:08:21 <joanie> RS: You pulled it all in?
19:08:28 <joanie> JS: Yes. Is there a reason to keep it open?
19:08:40 <joanie> RS: I created separate actions for AXAPI, and UIA.
19:09:08 <joanie> RS: There was also some discussion about discontiguous rows and columns for tables and grids, which we're discussing in the IA2 mailing list.
19:09:33 <joanie> RS: I did not convert Cynthia's stuff over because I think they've changed a lot.
19:09:44 <joanie> JS: So we should close 2102?
19:09:48 <joanie> RS: Correct.
19:10:58 <clown> issue-1046
19:10:58 <trackbot> issue-1046 -- 1-to-1 Role Mapping Parity between HTML elements and ARIA (HTML Parity) -- raised
19:10:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1046
19:11:05 <clown> issue-1026
19:11:05 <trackbot> issue-1026 -- AAPI mappings for aria-errormessage -- open
19:11:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1026
19:11:52 <clown> action-1692
19:11:52 <trackbot> action-1692 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Propose ATK/AT-SPI mapping for aria-errormessage -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
19:11:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1692
19:11:55 <joanie> JS: Related to this, there are a number of actions.
19:12:01 <joanie> JS: Like action-1692.
19:12:05 <joanie> JS: I think that's done.
19:12:41 <joanie> JD: I thought we did this through Rich.
19:12:42 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaErrorMessage
19:13:08 <joanie> RS: You need to add it ATK and AT-SPI2.
19:13:16 <Rich> Maggie3s!
19:13:34 <joanie> JS: Can you, Joanie, look at the link above?
19:13:42 <joanie> s/Maggie3s!//
19:14:42 <joanie> JD: LGTM
19:14:50 <joanie> JS: I will close action-1692 then.
19:14:59 <joanie> action-1693
19:14:59 <trackbot> action-1693 -- Alexander Surkov to Propose MSAA+IA2 mapping for aria-errormessage -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
19:14:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1693
19:15:12 <joanie> JS: This is on Surkov, but again, it's done.
19:15:16 <joanie> RS: Yes, it's done.
19:15:22 <joanie> JS: Closing this one too.
19:15:59 <joanie> JS: The AXAPI mapping is still TBD.
19:16:12 <joanie> action-1694
19:16:12 <trackbot> action-1694 -- James Craig to Propose AXAPI mapping of aria-errormessage -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
19:16:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1694
19:16:22 <joanie> JS: Action-1694 stays open for now.
19:16:37 <joanie> RS: I just created an action for James Craig.
19:16:40 <joanie> action-2119
19:16:40 <trackbot> action-2119 -- James Craig to Update Core-AAM for MacOSX -- due 2016-10-18 -- OPEN
19:16:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2119
19:16:44 <clown> action-2119
19:16:44 <trackbot> action-2119 -- James Craig to Update Core-AAM for MacOSX -- due 2016-10-18 -- OPEN
19:16:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2119
19:17:00 <joanie> JS: I would rather leave it the way it is.
19:17:09 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:17:09 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ISSUE-1047: (Rich/Joseph) Handle special cases of aria-roledescription." taken up [from clown]
19:17:16 <clown> issue-1047
19:17:16 <trackbot> issue-1047 -- Mappings for empty aria-roledescription and when the element has no implicit nor explicit ARIA role -- open
19:17:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1047
19:17:23 <joanie> JS: I think this one is done too.
19:17:36 <joanie> JS: It's about empty roledescription. I pulled this in last week.
19:17:42 <joanie> RS: Yes, it's in the table.
19:17:49 <joanie> JS: So I can close this issue?
19:17:52 <joanie> RS: Yes.
19:17:56 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:17:56 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, joanie
19:18:01 <joanie> Zakim, close this item
19:18:01 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
19:18:02 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:18:02 <Zakim> 3. Github issue-428/ACTION-2120 (Bogdan): clean up UIA mapping of aria-haspopup. [from clown]
19:18:04 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:18:04 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Github issue-428/ACTION-2120 (Bogdan): clean up UIA mapping of aria-haspopup." taken up [from clown]
19:19:25 <clown> action-2120
19:19:25 <trackbot> action-2120 -- Bogdan Brinza to UIA: clean up mapping for aria-haspopup -- due 2016-10-18 -- OPEN
19:19:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2120
19:19:30 <joanie> JS: I created this action for Bogdan to take over from Cynthia.
19:19:39 <joanie> JS: She already has a proposal for aria-haspopup.
19:19:55 <joanie> JS: I asked her some questions, but she has not replied.
19:20:05 <joanie> JS: So we'll turn this over to Bogdan.
19:20:40 <joanie> RS: I also gave him the mappings for DPub.
19:20:52 <joanie> RS: Philippe wants us to hit schedules.
19:21:01 <joanie> RS: Philippe is the domain lead.
19:21:21 <joanie> JS: I saw his response, and he said we couldn't do the mappings for DPub.
19:21:30 <joanie> RS: He said it needed to be based on the text interface.
19:21:42 <joanie> RS: Their text interface covers the entire document.
19:21:48 <joanie> JS: And they have pointers into it.
19:22:04 <joanie> JS: But that's not my document; it's DPub AAM.
19:22:07 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:22:07 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ISSUE-676/: (Joanie, Joseph) Added RELATION_POPUP_FOR to ATK/AT-SPI aria-haspopup mappings." taken up [from clown]
19:22:19 <clown> issue-676?
19:22:19 <trackbot> issue-676 -- Is it useful to identify MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI actions, interfaces, and relations in the mappings? -- open
19:22:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/676
19:22:20 <joanie> JS: I think I want to close this one too.
19:22:33 <joanie> JS: It was open by Jason Kiss.
19:22:50 <joanie> JS: He wanted us to add actions, interfaces, etc. for the mappings.
19:23:01 <joanie> JS: We did it for ATK/AT-SPI2.
19:23:12 <joanie> JS: I guess I can ping Jason and ask him if this is ok now.
19:23:47 <joanie> JD: Clarification: This haspopup is part of Jason's stuff?
19:23:51 <joanie> JS: Yes.
19:24:08 <joanie> JS: There are three actions on this issue, and all of them have been closed.
19:24:17 <joanie> JS: So is there anything left to do is my question.
19:24:24 <joanie> JS: I think it's throw it back to Jason.
19:24:41 <joanie> JD: That makes sense to me.
19:26:05 <joanie> RS: I'm confused.
19:26:12 <joanie> JS: Jason raised the issue.
19:26:24 <joanie> JS: So we're going to ask him if there is more to do.
19:26:37 <joanie> RS: Did you address Windows?
19:26:41 <joanie> JS: I didn't.
19:26:49 <joanie> RS: Did you ask Alex Surkov?
19:26:54 <joanie> JS: No, I guess I should.
19:29:04 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:29:04 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ISSUE-706/ACTION-980 (All) Describe/define aria related states managed by the user agent." taken up [from clown]
19:29:17 <clown> issue-706
19:29:17 <trackbot> issue-706 -- Describe/define AAPI managed states -- open
19:29:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/706
19:29:27 <joanie> JS: This was an old issue.
19:29:33 <clown> action-980
19:29:33 <trackbot> action-980 -- Cynthia Shelly to Describe/define managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset, aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5 bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2016-07-19 -- OPEN
19:29:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/980
19:29:35 <joanie> JS: The action (980) was assigned to Cynthia.
19:29:53 <joanie> JS: This action is to write a section to explain managed states when you don't use ARIA.
19:30:17 <joanie> RS: I have a recommendation: Move it to 1.2.
19:30:23 <joanie> JS: This was opened in 2010.
19:30:33 <joanie> RS: I know, and it is important.
19:30:50 <joanie> RS: But I do not see it as blocking 1.1.
19:32:07 <joanie> JS: I'll make a new product for Core AAM 1.2.
19:32:52 <joanie> JS: And I will move the issue to 1.2.
19:34:25 <joanie> JS: And assign it to Marco Zehe because I don't see Alex Surkov listed.
19:34:52 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#statePropertyMappingGeneralRules
19:35:54 <joanie> JD: I wonder if this would be a good thing for Jason Kiss.
19:36:10 <joanie> JD: He seems really good at, and motivated by (?), these sorts of issues.
19:36:21 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:36:21 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
19:37:24 <clown> issue-1038
19:37:24 <trackbot> issue-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed" for all AAPIs -- open
19:37:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
19:37:33 <clown> issue-1039
19:37:33 <trackbot> issue-1039 -- Need mapping for role="figure" for all AAPIs -- open
19:37:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1039
19:37:40 <clown> issue-1040
19:37:40 <trackbot> issue-1040 -- Need mappings for role="term" for all AAPIs -- open
19:37:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1040
19:37:42 <joanie> RS: I think issues 1038, 1039, and 1040 can be closed as duplicates.
19:37:46 <joanie> JS: Duplicates of what?
19:37:57 <joanie> RS: Of the one I assigned to Bogdan.
19:38:08 <joanie> JS: You assigned an action to Bogdan; not an issue.
19:38:15 <joanie> RS: Oh, then never mind.
19:38:38 <joanie> RS: Link action-2119 and action-2118.
19:38:41 <joanie> action-2119
19:38:41 <trackbot> action-2119 -- James Craig to Update Core-AAM for MacOSX -- due 2016-10-18 -- OPEN
19:38:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2119
19:38:44 <joanie> action-2118
19:38:44 <trackbot> action-2118 -- Bogdan Brinza to Addresss UIA mappings for ARIA 1.1 -- due 2016-10-16 -- OPEN
19:38:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2118
19:41:59 <joanie> issue-1039
19:41:59 <trackbot> issue-1039 -- Need mapping for role="figure" for all AAPIs -- open
19:41:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1039
19:42:04 <joanie> issue-1038
19:42:04 <trackbot> issue-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed" for all AAPIs -- open
19:42:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
19:42:10 <joanie> issue-1040
19:42:10 <trackbot> issue-1040 -- Need mappings for role="term" for all AAPIs -- open
19:42:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1040
19:42:57 <joanie> JS: I've changed 1038 to include 1039 and 1040 which are now truly duplicates.
19:44:16 <joanie> issue-542
19:44:16 <trackbot> issue-542 -- Text Alt Comp section on CSS generated content does not allow for proper CSS content fallback -- open
19:44:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/542
19:44:20 <clown> issue-542
19:44:20 <trackbot> issue-542 -- Text Alt Comp section on CSS generated content does not allow for proper CSS content fallback -- open
19:44:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/542
19:44:35 <joanie> JS: I'll move issue-542 to the name-computation product
19:44:56 <joanie> JS: I think the same applies to issue-609
19:44:57 <clown> issue-609
19:44:57 <trackbot> issue-609 -- Text Alt Comp section does not explicitly disallow empty strings as a valid label -- open
19:44:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/609
19:44:58 <joanie> issue-609
19:44:58 <trackbot> issue-609 -- Text Alt Comp section does not explicitly disallow empty strings as a valid label -- open
19:44:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/609
19:45:44 <joanie> issue-618
19:45:44 <clown> issue-618
19:45:44 <trackbot> issue-618 -- MSAA selection event mapping for single selection case when item becomes unselected -- open
19:45:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618
19:45:44 <trackbot> issue-618 -- MSAA selection event mapping for single selection case when item becomes unselected -- open
19:45:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618
19:45:56 <joanie> JS: I think we can close issue-618
19:46:15 <joanie> JS: Based on discussion with Alex, there is a selection-removed event when an item becomes unselected.
19:46:33 <joanie> JS: Cynthia has given me a bunch of text to put in there, and also created a test file for it.
19:47:06 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_selection
19:47:18 <joanie> JS: The above link is for the latest Editors' Draft.
19:47:34 <joanie> JS: I've added it already.
19:51:50 <clown> action:  Joanie to correct the ATK/AT-SPI entries in seciton 5.8.3 for single selection and multiple selection when the selection is removed.
19:51:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2121 - Correct the atk/at-spi entries in seciton 5.8.3 for single selection and multiple selection when the selection is removed. [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2016-10-18].
19:52:04 <clown> action-2121
19:52:04 <trackbot> action-2121 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Correct the atk/at-spi entries in seciton 5.8.3 for single selection and multiple selection when the selection is removed. -- due 2016-10-18 -- OPEN
19:52:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2121
19:53:00 <joanie> JS: You (Joanie) have a new action.
19:53:11 <joanie> JS: But the other things belong to Bogdan.
19:54:11 <joanie> issue-1015
19:54:11 <trackbot> issue-1015 -- Firefox interested in doing UIA-Express. We may need to un-deprecate it. -- raised
19:54:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1015
19:54:23 <joanie> RS: Close it
19:56:01 <joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/404
19:56:59 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/404#issuecomment-240320809
19:57:11 <joanie> JS: Jason Kiss's comment (above)
19:57:22 <joanie> JS: And this is the HTML-AAM
19:58:00 <joanie> RS: I thought they decided to remove it from the spec.
19:58:11 <joanie> JS: What they did was move it to MSAA/IA2.
19:58:24 <joanie> RS: I don't get it. What does IA2 have to do with UIA Express?
19:59:00 <joanie> RS: Part of UIA Express is MSAA. So maybe he just moved those over.
19:59:38 <joanie> JS: It definitely looks like UIA Express is gone.
20:01:41 <joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/f4075353a61fc79e1dd1cba0de444f009c15d12e?diff=split
20:02:00 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/commit/5c35ea8591713f425a71c3f51a409ac399c766df
20:05:06 <joanie> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/448771/
20:06:59 <joanie> JS: I'm going to close issue-1015.
20:07:04 <joanie> issue-1015
20:07:04 <trackbot> issue-1015 -- Firefox interested in doing UIA-Express. We may need to un-deprecate it. -- raised
20:07:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1015
20:07:09 <joanie> RS: Sure
20:08:39 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaKeyshortcuts
20:11:34 <joanie> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-busy.3D.22false.22_on_a_menubar
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20:20:02 <joanie> Zakim, part
20:20:02 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joseph_Scheuhammer
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20:20:43 <joanie> RRSAgent, stop