01:27:29 RRSAgent has joined #browserext 01:27:30 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/10/06-browserext-irc 01:27:36 Zakim has joined #browserext 01:28:13 Meeting: Browser Extension CG teleconf 01:28:21 ScribeNick: Florian 01:28:29 Chair: Florian 01:28:56 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-browserext/2016Oct/0000.html 01:30:27 mikepie has joined #browserext 01:30:38 present+ mikepie 01:32:24 present+ Florian 01:32:43 present+ kmag 01:33:29 mikepie: Are you having trouble joining the hangout? 01:34:28 Yeah. I have to reinstall Chrome. Sorry 01:34:44 Heh 01:34:50 Almost there... 01:36:01 TOPIC: Agenda 01:36:28 Florian: Anything else to add to the agenda? 01:37:18 kmag: I'd like to talk about standardizing IDs. 01:38:33 mikepie: let's talk about extended attributes as well 01:39:18 TOPIC: extended attribute 01:39:48 mikepie: we have some direct contacts what should help get the ball rolling by lightly prodding the right people. 01:40:44 TOPIC: Joint statement on native messaging 01:41:27 https://github.com/browserext/native-messaging/wiki/Explainer:-the-need-for-native-messaging 01:42:46 Florian: This is a first incomplete draft of the join statement we mentioned during TPAC 01:42:54 kmag: I am not sure this is really necessary 01:43:46 Florian: Not sure either, but I think it's not wrong to ping people who worry about the whole web platform if we're doing something that might matter to more than to just ourselves 01:44:04 mikepie: looks like a good start, will ping people at MS 01:44:18 mikepie: what do we do once we have this? 01:44:29 Florian: I'll ping the TAG and see what they think of it 01:44:42 TOPIC: Status update on https://browserext.github.io/native-messaging/ 01:45:51 Florian: Anything to speak about without aswan on the call 01:45:55 mikepie: not really 01:46:09 TOPIC: standardizing IDs 01:48:11 Florian: Have we though about using URLs (as in including a domain name in there) for IDs? You'd still have to map the ID to the application, but at least we'd get a clean space without too much colision problems 01:48:53 kmag: we'd need a way to verify you own the domain, and some way to associate the ID with the application... Seems complicated 01:49:12 kmag: Maybe we could instead share our ID database from the respective vendor stores 01:49:43 kmag: and allow registration on each store, but stores would check with the other stores that the ID is free 01:53:26 Florian: doesn't that lock us out of native messaging when not using app stores for distribution? Like private extensions, or enterprise distribution 01:54:08 kmag: I think it's ok. Enterprise works with its own rules anyway, and the single developer use case doesn't really involve distribution, so it is ok. 01:54:51 mikepie: how about having 2 ids? a shared one that is unique across stores and one that is unique in your own store? 01:54:57 mikepie: I guess that doesn't help 01:55:58 Florian: Has our various companies already solved a similar problem, and can we talk to the people who did that? 01:56:41 mikepie: there's globaly unique, which deals with avoiding collisions, but it doesn't help with central registration 01:58:09 mikepie: how about : when I submit to the FF store, and it generates a unique ID for me. Then I use that ID to register in the MS store 01:59:03 Florian: but that allows for spoofing 01:59:12 kmag: only if the end user can do it, so we shouldn't allow 01:59:25 mikepie: Can we combine that with the domain name id? 02:00:01 kmag: I don't see how 02:00:58 Florian: Should we ping crypto / security / ssl / ssh / etc people? They should be more familiar than us with this kind of issues 02:01:07 mikepie: Let's do that, I know some folks. 02:01:26 TOPIC: Logo 02:01:32 https://github.com/browserext/browserext.github.io/issues/12 02:01:39 https://mikepie1.github.io/browserext-1/LogoIdeas.png 02:04:46 mikepie: number 2 is unfinished, it will read ext instead of cxt 02:05:00 mikepie: 1 and 6 may not work at small sizes 02:05:08 Florian I like 2 4 and 8 02:05:20 mikepie: 4 looks like XML 02:06:18 kmag: I like 4 5 and 8 02:06:29 mikepie: I'll clean up 2 4 5 and 8 02:06:40 kmag: I'll also try to involve our designers. 02:07:11 TOPIC: Reviewing / resolving issues in https://browserext.github.io/browserext/ 02:08:01 https://mikepie1.github.io/browserext-1/ 02:08:05 Florian: Any particular issue you want feedback / discussion on? 02:08:22 mikepie: not sure, let's just start with giving you an update 02:08:29 mikepie: I merged webdriver 02:08:49 mikepie: I do have a question about something needing to be a POST instead of a GET 02:09:29 mikepie: I also changed the naming convension, so that everything starts with BrowserExt, and unified Info/etc into Details 02:10:10 mikepie: I added a script to facilitate navigating through issues. 02:12:06 mikepie: so the thing I want input on is Issue 35 02:12:23 kmag: there are two methods that need to be POST, because they have side effects: 02:12:51 Get Browser Extension Context Menu Items 02:13:01 Select Browser Extension Context Menu Item 02:14:08 mikepie: I'll be doing a new iteration on this tomorrow, and then the section should be ready for review 02:15:11 Florian: Skipping the issues that are TODOs to yourself, it would be nice to register the issue that need discussions into github 02:15:14 mikepie: Will do 02:15:33 kmag: should we provide regex for comment removal? 02:15:42 kmag: I'll register than into github, OK? 02:15:47 mikepie: Sounds good. 02:16:51 TOPIC: Community involvement 02:17:18 Florian: A while back we talked about trying to reach out to more people and try to get them involved, to comment on the spec 02:17:53 Florian: As we're starting to have a spec with issues to discuss, are we at that point, or would it still be a waste of time for most people to come at this point 02:18:32 mikepie: I'd like to look at some usage data to check first that we have the key APIs that people will want to look at to avoid disapointing them, but other than that yes, we should be able to now 02:20:00 mikepie: I can look for extension vendors that can already use the stuff we have 02:20:27 mikepie: If andrey had some specific vendors in mind, that let's us look at it from the other direction and ask them what they think is missing. 02:26:58 TOPIC: meeting 02:27:05 mikepie: Let's try in two weeks 02:27:16 Florian: Should we try and adjust the time for aswan? 02:27:22 mikepie: Yes, and for Shwetank as well 02:28:08 Florian: Let's book the same time for now, and in parallel try and talk to them. We can adjust if they propose something that works better. 02:28:23 RRSAgent, make log public 02:28:29 RRSAgent, draft minutes 02:28:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/10/06-browserext-minutes.html Florian 02:34:11 RRSAgent, bye 02:34:11 I see no action items