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18:53:35 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:53:35 <trackbot> Date: 04 October 2016
18:54:24 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:54:28 <clown> agenda: this
18:54:35 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-2102/ISSUE-1026: (Rich, All) Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec.
18:54:54 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-1047: (Rich/Joseph) Handle special cases for aria-roledescription
18:55:03 <clown> agenda+ Github issue-428 (Cynthia/Joseph): clean up UIA mapping of aria-haspopup
18:55:12 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-676/ACTION-2114: (Joanie, Joseph) Added RELATION_POPUP_FOR to ATK/AT-SPI aria-haspopup mappings.
18:55:21 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-706/ACTION-980 (Cynthia, All) Describe/define aria related states managed by the user agent.
18:55:28 <clown> agenda+ Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
18:55:35 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:55:41 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:55:47 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:55:52 <clown> agenda+ be done.
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19:05:22 <clown> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
19:05:42 <joanie> scribe: joanie
19:06:21 <joanie> Topic: Microsoft
19:06:29 <joanie> RS: Cynthia is not coming back to the group.
19:06:49 <joanie> RS: I was told by Microsoft to send work that needs to be done to Bogdan.
19:07:22 <joanie> RS: The last branch I was working on, if you could pull that in, I want to go through the whole UIA area and find out what's missing and ask Bogdan to fill it in.
19:07:31 <joanie> RS: Bogdan said he would do it.
19:07:38 <joanie> JS: Is he familiar with the style?
19:07:57 <joanie> RS: Bogdan can give it to you (Joseph) or me, and we can do the actual editing.
19:08:23 <joanie> JS: I'm fine with your branch that we discussed yesterday.
19:08:30 <joanie> JS: Let's see what others think.
19:08:38 <joanie> JS: But then I can pull it in tomorrow.
19:08:54 <joanie> RS: There's a 2102a.
19:09:03 <joanie> RS: Then I had to make some changes for James Teh.
19:09:08 <joanie> RS: So those are in.
19:09:19 <joanie> JS: 2102 was pulled in.
19:09:34 <joanie> RS: I'm talking about 2102a.
19:10:00 <joanie> RS: If you can, pull in branch 2102a.
19:10:14 <joanie> RS: And 1047 (missed what was said)
19:10:32 <joanie> RS: I think I have enough to go to James Craig and Bogdan.
19:10:48 <joanie> RS: I'm also working to get James Teh as an invited expert.
19:10:57 <joanie> JS: Will Bogdan be joining us on the calls?
19:11:02 <joanie> RS: I don't believe so.
19:11:48 <Rich> agenda?
19:11:48 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
19:11:56 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ACTION-2102/ISSUE-1026: (Rich, All) Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec." taken up [from clown]
19:12:05 <clown> action-2102
19:12:05 <trackbot> action-2102 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec. -- due 2016-08-04 -- OPEN
19:12:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2102
19:12:17 <joanie> JS: This is the 2102a then.
19:12:40 <joanie> JS: To remind people, Rich was going to add mappings for (lists a bunch of roles and properties)
19:12:52 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2102a/core-aam/core-aam.html
19:13:09 <joanie> JS: I pulled it. But I gather there is a 2102a.
19:13:32 <joanie> RS: In 2102a, I put in the reverse relationships and final mappings for details and errormessage for IA2 and ATK.
19:13:44 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2102/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaDetails
19:14:05 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2102a/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaDetails
19:14:21 <joanie> JS: (Reading from branch)
19:14:35 <joanie> s/branch/branch spec text/
19:14:49 <joanie> JS: I see details-for.
19:14:56 <joanie> RS: There's an error-for.
19:15:18 <joanie> JS: Ok. Looks good to me.
19:15:27 <joanie> JS: I turn it over to the rest of the group for their input.
19:18:34 <joanie> JD: I believe I've already looked at this and that I told Rich it was fine.
19:18:37 <joanie> RS: You did.
19:19:11 <joanie> (Group discusses if this is ChangeLog-entry worthy. Consensus: Yes.)
19:21:43 <joanie> JS: I heard today that details and summary were implemented in Firefox, but not released yet; in the nightly build.
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19:25:00 <clown> https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/783336943388127232
19:26:06 <joanie> RS: Related aside, we finished all the DPub mappings with the exception of UIA, which I sent to Bogdan.
19:26:31 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:26:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ISSUE-1047: (Rich/Joseph) Handle special cases for aria-roledescription" taken up [from clown]
19:28:05 <clown> issue-1047
19:28:05 <trackbot> issue-1047 -- Mappings for empty aria-roledescription and when the element has no implicit nor explicit ARIA role -- open
19:28:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1047
19:28:58 <joanie> JS: Special mappings for aria-roledescription when it's empty or has nothing but whitespace in it.
19:28:59 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/issue1047/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaRoleDescriptionEmptyWhiteSpaceString
19:29:09 <joanie> JS: Also when it has no explicit ARIA role.
19:29:19 <joanie> JS: Rich and I have worked on this. See above link.
19:29:33 <joanie> JS: (Reads/explains mapping proposed)
19:30:58 <joanie> JD: What exactly does not mapped mean for my platform?
19:31:05 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/issue1047/core-aam/core-aam.html#document-handling_author-errors
19:31:07 <joanie> JS: It means it's not in ther at all.
19:31:19 <clown> User Agents MUST NOT expose https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-roledescription when:
19:31:19 <clown> 	•	The element it is applied to has an invalid WAI-ARIA role, or
19:31:19 <clown> 	•	The element does not have an implicit WAI-ARIA role
19:31:22 <joanie> JS: The above link is for the error handling section.
19:31:36 <joanie> JS: I've also pasted the content above.
19:34:07 <clown> <img aria-roledescripton="love" src="heart.png" alt="heart">
19:34:56 <clown> { ROLE: graphic, ROLE_DESCRIPTION: "love", NAME: "heart"
19:38:09 <joanie> JS: Should I merge these changes in?
19:38:16 <joanie> Group: Yes.
19:41:19 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:41:19 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Github issue-428 (Cynthia/Joseph): clean up UIA mapping of aria-haspopup" taken up [from clown]
19:41:29 <joanie> JS: I'm not sure what to do about this.
19:41:46 <joanie> JS: Cynthia wanted the UIA mapping for aria-haspopup cleaned up.
19:41:59 <joanie> JS: I asked her what she meant by that, but she has not answered.
19:42:28 <joanie> JS: Maybe it's a Bogdan issue now.
19:42:56 <joanie> RS: I noticed some other issues, so I'm going to ask Bogdan to review everything.
19:43:13 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/428
19:43:32 <joanie> JS: The URL above is for her issue.
19:43:37 <joanie> JS: (Reads from issue)
19:43:53 <joanie> JS: My problem was that aria-haspopup has multiple values now.
19:44:05 <joanie> RS: What I remember is that they could not implement all the tokens at this time.
19:44:22 <joanie> RS: So she just wanted to go with expanded/collapsed, or whatever it is they are using.
19:44:37 <joanie> JS: Well, there is a mapping for each one.
19:44:48 <joanie> JS: (Reads from spec)
19:45:13 <joanie> RS: It doesn't make sense for an expanded collapsed on a popup.
19:48:19 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/428
19:49:06 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaHaspopupTrue
19:49:58 <joanie> JD: Well, expanded and collapsed does make sense on things which have popups.
19:50:34 <joanie> JD: But expanded/collapsed is not how you map the value of aria-haspopup.
19:50:56 <joanie> JD: If you cannot map the different tokens, I think it needs to be a boolean.
19:51:18 <joanie> JD: What was done before aria-haspopup got all the different token types?
19:54:35 <joanie> JS: Looking at the REC, it seems they mapped it to an MSAA property.
19:55:16 <joanie> RS: Let's asked Bogdan.
19:55:22 <joanie> Group: Agreed.
19:57:53 <joanie> Zakim, part
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