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14:29:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:29:36 <trackbot> Date: 03 October 2016
14:29:41 <ivan> Chair: Garth
14:30:01 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/0d020343decf41b586d268a87b2ef741@AUS-WNMBP-005-n.wiley.com
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14:31:00 <ivan> Regrets: Tzviya, Leonard, Ayla, Romain, Peter
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14:58:23 <ivan> Present+
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15:00:19 <garth> present+
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15:00:22 <laudrain> Present+ Luc
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15:00:59 <clapierre> present+ Charles_LaPierre
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15:01:23 <Bert> present+ Bert
15:02:23 <ivan> scribenick: HeatherF
15:02:35 <HeatherF> present+ Heather_Flanagan
15:02:46 <HeatherF> Approving the minutes - yay or nay?
15:03:03 <HeatherF> Yay!
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15:03:17 <bigbluehat> present+ Benjamin_Young
15:03:26 <HeatherF> Agenda bash: adding topic - progress on the kumbaya of the IGTF and the W3C
15:03:27 <ivan> Topic: merger of IDPF + W3C
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15:03:46 <Bill_Kasdorf> Present+ Bill_Kasdorf
15:03:46 <dauwhe> s/IGTF/IDPF/
15:04:06 <HeatherF> brady_duga: Last week the W3C sent out an update on the merger; this also went out to the IDPF
15:04:22 <ivan> s/brady_duga/Garth/
15:04:35 <Rebeca> Hello, how can I join WebEx?
15:04:59 <cmaden2> present+ Chris_Maden
15:05:15 <Rebeca> @dauwhe I need a pass
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15:05:54 <HeatherF> Garth: next steps will be discussion and voting by the AC reps.
15:05:58 <Karen> q+
15:06:03 <Rebeca> dauwhe: thanks!
15:06:09 <garth> Q?
15:06:46 <HeatherF> karen: remember these are member confidential communications
15:06:58 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:07:07 <Bill_Kasdorf> q-
15:07:28 <clapierre> ack Karen
15:09:02 <boris_anthony> q+
15:09:28 <garth> q?
15:10:20 <ivan> ack boris_anthony
15:10:45 <ivan> q+
15:11:55 <garth> q?
15:13:50 <garth> q?
15:13:55 <ivan> ack ivan
15:14:01 <HeatherF> @clapierre my understanding was that mostly no, this isn't to be minuted
15:14:27 <HeatherF> garth: the merger is proceeding apace
15:14:47 <HeatherF> topic: New Meeting time next week
15:14:47 <ivan> Topic: change of call timing
15:15:14 <HeatherF> garth: we will be meeting one hour later than we have been, starting next week (October 10)
15:15:27 <Rebeca> q+
15:15:44 <HeatherF> Bill_Kasdorf: When is daylight savings confusion?
15:15:59 <clapierre> Sunday, November 6, 2016
15:16:05 <garth> q?
15:16:09 <HeatherF> ivan: generally end of October. Note that the WebEx number shouldn't change.
15:16:21 <Bert> [Europe changes to winter time on 30 Oct, the US on 6 Nov, I believe]
15:16:56 <HeatherF> Rebeca: Cannot join at 6pm
15:17:17 <HeatherF> garth: there are no perfect, good times. This choice came out of a poll.
15:17:33 <Karen> http://www.timeanddate.com/time/change/usa/washington-dc
15:17:33 <brady_duga> q+
15:17:45 <Karen> US sets clock back on 6 November 2016
15:17:59 <Rebeca> q+
15:18:10 <HeatherF> ivan: second best time was Tuesday, at 15:00 UTC, but that missed a lot of people
15:18:29 <brady_duga> ack reb
15:19:01 <HeatherF> brady_duga: The W3C does by time in Massachusets, so time will change at DST
15:19:13 <garth> q?
15:19:17 <HeatherF> ivan: there will be a period of confusion when the US and Europe will be on different timing
15:19:19 <garth> ack br
15:19:58 <HeatherF> garth: 18:00 CET is not ideal for family hour in Europe, but this is what we ended up with as a result of the poll. We will revisit in the future.
15:20:29 <garth> q?
15:20:43 <HeatherF> ... Next week is Columbus Day in the US; it's not a major holiday, so we will keep the call on the calendar
15:21:16 <HeatherF> ... The following week is the Frankfurt Book Fair; Garth will definitely be out, as will others. TBD as to whether we have the call.
15:21:31 <HeatherF> Topic: Post-TPAC Action Items
15:21:59 <HeatherF> Garth: WCAG action items
15:22:06 <ivan> Regrets+ George
15:22:12 <clapierre> @ivan Bill McCoy is having issues connecting
15:22:30 <HeatherF> ... There are four action items in the WCAG list
15:22:49 <HeatherF> Avneesh: most of the things listed here are in the plan. There will be a call in the second part of October to talk about them.
15:23:26 <HeatherF> ... The WCAG group has told us that the biggest obstruction to get in success criteria is the language.
15:23:56 <HeatherF> ... Everything in the EPUB accessibility spec may not get into WCAB 2.1; they may end up in 3.0 instead. Initial items will be the easy ones.
15:24:10 <HeatherF> ... Things like media overlays will end up in 3.0 (which will take a few years)
15:24:22 <HeatherF> garth: any updates on the EPUB accessibility work from the IDPF?
15:24:45 <HeatherF> Avneesh: Work is almost finished. Waiting for the schema.org metadata approvals.
15:24:56 <garth> q?
15:25:04 <ivan> q+
15:25:11 <ivan> ack ivan
15:25:48 <HeatherF> ivan: What is the situation with schema.org? Are there still open technical things, or is this mostly administrative?
15:26:10 <HeatherF> Avneesh: It is mostly the timeline issue. At TPAC, we clarified definitions and terms that were causing delays.
15:26:48 <HeatherF> garth: CSS action items, don't have a listed owner for all of them
15:27:24 <HeatherF> dauwhe: Regarding tables. Hopefully the web knows that tables are useful; the question is more about decimal alignment in tables.
15:27:31 <HeatherF> garth: Should we clarify the action item?
15:27:44 <ivan> q+
15:27:51 <HeatherF> dauwhe: Yes. And people are supposed to send dauwhe examples.
15:28:27 <ivan> ack ivan
15:28:30 <HeatherF> Bill_Kasdorf: tzviya and Bill have the action item to do this (getting the examples of decimal alignent to Dave)
15:29:02 <HeatherF> ivan: Tzviya promised to send an official statement to Dean Jackson as to why this requirement is official.
15:29:25 <garth> q?
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15:29:47 <HeatherF> garth: next on the CSS discussion is MathML
15:30:17 <HeatherF> ... there was discussion of adding media queries and discussion around whether browsers should support MathML, and there was agreement that something should be supported
15:30:48 <garth> https://www.peterkrautzberger.org/0190/
15:31:03 <HeatherF> ... Peter K's take is that this was a bad idea (see Garth's link)
15:31:04 <ivan> Mail of Florian: http://www.w3.org/mid/0D614A8F-B6FD-4877-8F51-C83FA670D702@rivoal.net
15:31:31 <Rebeca> q-
15:31:32 <HeatherF> ... so we have different motivations on handling MathML (Math constituency, accessibility constituency, publisher constituency)
15:31:33 <ivan> q+
15:32:01 <ivan> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2016Oct/0004.html Florian's mail
15:32:48 <HeatherF> ivan: Florian had the action item to draft the media query. He reacted to Peter's email by saying with that input, doesn't plan to write the specification.
15:33:04 <HeatherF> ... this is a discussion that should happen on mailing lists.
15:33:47 <HeatherF> garth: So, let that group discussion progresses, and returns as a discussion point to this group in the next week or two to see where it has settled
15:34:03 <HeatherF> ... media query helps publishers and accessibility communities, but we need to chat further
15:34:38 <HeatherF> garth: looking at the next action items (InDesign, table samplse, XSL-FO)
15:35:02 <HeatherF> dauwhe: I am supposed to collect examples to inform CSS text level 3.
15:35:17 <garth> q?
15:35:20 <HeatherF> ... David Wood also said he'd look for examples of decimal alignments in tables
15:35:22 <ivan> ack ivan
15:35:37 <HeatherF> ... the XSL-FO and CSS-FO was a gap analysis task; liam has been working on this.
15:36:26 <HeatherF> garth: for the PWP UCR, there are several action items assigned out
15:36:43 <HeatherF> ... If you have issues assigned to you, please do them
15:37:18 <HeatherF> ... Next major step is for Leonard to de-duplicate use cases, then Heather would do the re-org of the spec.
15:38:01 <HeatherF> ... the spec would be divided into the Web Publication, and then the Portable components.
15:38:05 <ivan> -> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp-ucr/wiki/Jotting-down-ideas-for-the-discussions-@-TPAC-F2F-on-%3F%3F-Web-Publications For those who were not at TPAC
15:38:37 <HeatherF> ivan: There were some issues that led to a proposed solution. After talkign with Leonard and Heather, Ivan took care of those (though Leonard did not agree with all the changes)
15:38:54 <HeatherF> ... Heather and Ivan are now waiting on Leonard.
15:39:20 <HeatherF> garth: Leonard is not late on this; this task is expected to take some time.
15:39:54 <ivan> q+
15:39:58 <garth> q?
15:40:31 <HeatherF> ivan: I don't know whether the dividing the UCR into review chunks is Brady's job; when we assign sections for review, it would be good if we could also associate those with the Open Issues
15:40:48 <HeatherF> ... we have loads of open issues, and many of those will (hopefully, probably) become moot after the reorg of the doc
15:41:30 <HeatherF> garth: there were a number of issues that I commented on, trying to wrap up the conversations.
15:41:48 <HeatherF> ivan: there are 43 open issues.
15:42:27 <HeatherF> garth: there are only 43! Yay!
15:43:16 <HeatherF> ... does anyone have more info on the Object Model for WP?
15:43:28 <HeatherF> ivan: there were two object model kind of things coming up.
15:43:56 <garth> q?
15:43:57 <HeatherF> ... one was an older story on POM (Publication Object Model); not sure what's going on with that.
15:44:24 <HeatherF> ... independently of that, there is the idea of Mike's that we need a layer on top of the DOM dealing with the collection of documents
15:44:31 <dauwhe> q+
15:44:36 <HeatherF> ... It sounds like a good idea, but I have no idea how to specify that.
15:44:56 <garth> q?
15:44:56 <HeatherF> ... Is this really a topic that is important for developers of reading systems and/or content with javascript?
15:45:10 <HeatherF> ... Something like that should be part of the WG charter.
15:45:43 <garth> q?
15:45:47 <ivan> ack ivan
15:45:48 <HeatherF> garth: the development of a WG charter will be a topic for us soon
15:45:49 <garth> ack iv
15:46:02 <garth> ack dau
15:46:20 <HeatherF> dauwhe: Was talking to other web folks who were 'beyond skeptical' because it changes the foundations of the web.
15:46:54 <HeatherF> garth: last on the agenda - POE
15:47:12 <HeatherF> Bill_Kasdorf: not much to report here. They are looking for further use cases.
15:47:43 <HeatherF> ... One of the key issues is the use of ODRL as a sort of hub format to allow different publishing sectors to express their unique rights expressions.
15:48:04 <garth> q?
15:48:26 <HeatherF> ... the idea would be that if each sector could provide an ODRL expression on what it means by it's unique rights expressions, that would be helpful
15:48:32 <ivan> q+
15:48:42 <HeatherF> ... Tzviya and Bill_Kasdorf agreed to look at the scholarly publication side of things to see if/how that could be enabled
15:49:11 <HeatherF> ivan: question came up earlier today on a POE call; when do you think that you can finalize the use cases for them?
15:49:35 <HeatherF> ... they would like to close their use case doc once and for all. They are hoping for the use cases within a week.
15:50:18 <HeatherF> Bill_Kasdorf: The book industry feedback won't be that fast. We can do an initial submission from the book sector, but not from the other sectors within a week.
15:50:29 <HeatherF> ... Will do what can be done within the week.
15:50:31 <garth> q?
15:50:38 <ivan> ack ivan
15:50:43 <HeatherF> garth: Any other agenda items today?
15:51:06 <HeatherF> ... no additional items
15:51:14 <HeatherF> ... Next call in seven days and 9 minutes!
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15:51:30 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
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15:51:33 <Zakim> ... Bill_Kasdorf, Chris_Maden
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